They raised the level requirement of gear? Wouldn't it make much more sense to keep the old gear the way it is and make completely new one for TTK? I mean that's how other loot games do it, right?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Destiny: The Taken King leaves behind players who didn't upgrade (Kotaku)
- Thread starter Anton Sugar
- Start date
DrROBschiz
Member
No not really
Its roughly equivalent.
They changed the light level system and various other system mechanics. Its quite a large overhaul but a very good one overall.
I totally understand the confusion. Its a lot to process but you should be able to find all the info in one place if you search for Destiny 2.0 update
The gear they changed level is for the exotics. As some exotics have year 2 variants that are level 40. The old exotics are still the same levels.
DrROBschiz
Member
Which is strange. Did you expect to play vanilla for the entire series run?!?
Tomeru
Member
If a player didnt have TDB expansion, he could still have access to the new gear? I don't remember this, becasue when I tried purchasing TDB on vanilla destiny, I couldn't.
So for me, while I understand it sucks if you don't wanna buy the new content - the situation now is not surprising.
So for me, while I understand it sucks if you don't wanna buy the new content - the situation now is not surprising.
What content, not end game modifiers, did you pay for that you can no longer access? You can still play all strikes, story missions, raid(s), patrols, and crucible modes you could play prior to the update. The only difference in content is combined crucible modes.
Yes and no. After they released TDB maps for free, they took some original MP maps (which were better) out of rotation for months.
They removed Normal and Hard difficulty in Campaign and Co-op for vanilla players. What's the point of being Lvl 34 and doing a Lvl 20 strike? Why can't I play on normal or hard anymore?
The highest level strikes before were 28 with a level cap of 34. Destiny doesn't let you massively overlevel enemies, level 2 patrol enemies can kill you in 2 punches as a 40 because there's a cap on how far you can outlevel anything.
There's also currently no benefit (mission rewards) to playing the higher difficulty of story missions. You have to wait for them to come through as a daily, which we don't even know if non-TTK missions are going to be dailies again. They also seem to have removed the bounties from Year 1 that required you to kill __TARGET__ with Heroic active.
That's not true. I purchased Destiny a while ago because I had a lot of friends who played it. I wanted to buy MGSV and pre-order BO3 instead of getting TTK because I assumed at least I could be on level with them without all the expansion stuff which I didn't mind.
Now Bungie goes full-on restrictive and took shit away that I could do previously, meaning now I can't be on level with my friends unless I pay $40 to game I hardly care about.
That shit is inexcusable and does not deserve any sort of defense.
Fuck you Bungie, in a year from now I would need to shell out another $40 just to avoid the same damn issue now.
It's inexcusable that you don't get the new levels and gear..? Are you kidding me? So you should get it for free? Tell that to MMO developers who need you to buy their expansions to get new levels and gear.
Also if you hardly care about the game... Why do you give a shit..?
My son used to play on ps3. Came home from work to him complaining that he couldnt do shit anymore without the taken king. I ordered ttk on my xbox one. Gave him my spark and let him make a new charachter on xbox. Shit was messed up how they did it. Anyone who says othwrwise is blind.
Oh yeah screw activision as well. Bastards still asking for 50 dollars on psn for that lame ass vita cod.
Oh yeah screw activision as well. Bastards still asking for 50 dollars on psn for that lame ass vita cod.
sturgboski
Member
What couldnt he do? The restricting thing seems to have been going on each expansion:
TDB cut off certain PvP content, sometimes Heroic and Nightfall weeklies and dailies, highest tier strike playlist which had the engram rewards moved up to the TDB strike
HoW pretty much did the same thing but was nicer on the rotational stuff so you didnt have weeks where vanilla owners couldnt play both the heroic and the nightfall
I mean nothing seems to have changed from Destiny to TDB to HoW to TTK which how things started moving up and requiring the latest content to play. Two expansions worth of precedent there. My guess is your son had the expansion pass and never noticed until TTK came out, yet that was a complaint at each expansion launch for those that didnt have said expansion.
Bungie definitely does not a better approach here. You look at any MMO and its really just the new stuff that requires the newest expansion, you can still play the old content with nothing changed.
A Level 34 character is no better off than a Level 28 character. But now with poor equipment.
How would a player who has not bought the DLC supposedly access the Prison of Elders?
Drip pricing is bad and shouldn't be encouraged. It's outlawed in other industries like hotels and air travel.
The game is a blast. The most fun i had in a long time with random people though. Just should have figured out,a,better way to allow those with vanilla a way to have the same freedoms they used to have. Why couldnt they allow players to do everything else minus the ttk content?
What does that have to do with him saying bungie should have made the gear and the level cap free?
IISANDERII
Member
Bungie is hungry for whales.
Yeah they're really milking their player base with the DLC they're enjoying. I mean man, they should have made it a subbed game so we they would pay even more!
Fight for the game,that you love man!
As others have pointed out, the game still drops loot/engrams appropriate for your progression level whether you run a Level 28+ strike or not. I got a 195 Light Weapon out of a Level 7 Devil's Lair yesterday. You only need 140-160 Light gear to do Vault of Glass.
If you haven't bought TTK but bought you HoW you can run Prison of Elders for 170-light loot. If you are running only the base game, you have to grind it out of strikes.
Though at this point I have a hard time imagining you'd need to be anything other than level 26 for VoG. Even if you insist on buying no expansions or DLC, every other player in your fireteam is going to be so massively overgeared then your setup won't have much affect on things at all.
Interficium
Banned
You sound like the type of person who buys COD: Black Ops 1 in 2015 and complains they can't play with all their friends playing COD: Black Ops 3.
I'm just saying.
You're really upset now. I'd hate to see what happens if you felt slighted by a game that you actually care about.
Kinda off-topic, but this seemed like the most relevant place to raise this issue as i'm not able to create new threads yet.
The problem is, the codes contained in at least the European version of the Destiny Limited Edition set are no longer valid, as they expired on the 9th September. As someone that played the game heavily at launch but never found time to redeem the DLC and jump back into it when the expansions launched, I was pretty pissed off to find that they wouldnt work when I tried them the other day.
Seen as the Limited Edition is still available to buy in the shops AND the DLC is still available to buy on the PSN store, this is a pretty shitty move by Bungie and/or Activision to have the codes expire so quickly.
I know people will say The Taken King includes the content anyway but thats not really a solution. 1. I wanted to try the other expansions before committing to but The Taken King and 2. Owning both of the prior DLCs enables you to just buy The Taken King cheaper than buying a new physical copy.
After this, may just not bother with Destiny at all now. Its got to be one of the most anti-consumer releases of recent times, right?
Posted about this on my website yesterday, but given that i don't want further people possibly wasting their money I thought Id highlight the issue here to raise awareness.
The problem is, the codes contained in at least the European version of the Destiny Limited Edition set are no longer valid, as they expired on the 9th September. As someone that played the game heavily at launch but never found time to redeem the DLC and jump back into it when the expansions launched, I was pretty pissed off to find that they wouldnt work when I tried them the other day.
Seen as the Limited Edition is still available to buy in the shops AND the DLC is still available to buy on the PSN store, this is a pretty shitty move by Bungie and/or Activision to have the codes expire so quickly.
I know people will say The Taken King includes the content anyway but thats not really a solution. 1. I wanted to try the other expansions before committing to but The Taken King and 2. Owning both of the prior DLCs enables you to just buy The Taken King cheaper than buying a new physical copy.
After this, may just not bother with Destiny at all now. Its got to be one of the most anti-consumer releases of recent times, right?
Posted about this on my website yesterday, but given that i don't want further people possibly wasting their money I thought Id highlight the issue here to raise awareness.
Screamapillar
Member
If you haven't upgraded to Taken King yet, you should. It's awesome. Also, I don't think the excuse that someone "can't afford" Taken King holds water. They could afford $60 Destiny, a year subscription to PS Plus or XBL, and a new console...
Gipsy Danger
Member
I may be wrong here so tell me if I am. But are you saying it's Bungies fault that you couldn't be bothered to en'ter a code on your PS4/Xbone?
DeadlyVirus
Member
You had a full year...takes 10 seconds to redeem a code and you can redeem it from the PS Store anywhere (PS4, PC, Phone). Trying to hold on to the code was your fault.
You say that you played it heavily at launch and never redeem the code? Come on...
Thats not how "whales" work. Even if you were obsessed with Destiny and bought everything you could as it came out, there are a grand total of four one time purchases you could have made, all of which is game content whole teams of people worked on, plus two very optional "collectors edition" upgrades where you can pay more for the cosmetics from the physical limited editions.
The business of "whales" is putting in optional micro transactions meant to get someone truly addicted to break down and bring in large chunks of cash for the company. That has yet to happen, and at any point they really could have let people pay for engrams (loot rolls) and planned to make serious bank.
I dont know if you were being sarcastic, but as steep as $20/$40 DLC is you can at least break down what youre buying and decide of its worth it to you. That is absolutely nothing like tossing the word "whale" around.
So you're telling me its acceptable that a Limited Edition that you can still buy in the shops, with DLC that is still available on digital stores, contains codes that are no longer redeemable? Are you serious?
So what if ive had a year to redeem them? I could have bought it last week, that's not the point.
I actually play more games than just Destiny, because you know what? I like to play a variety of games. With The Taken King just released I thought I'd get back into it
The fact is providing codes with such a short expiry date is a joke and quite simply a money grab. If you're disputing that, you're a bit of a goon.
So what if ive had a year to redeem them? I could have bought it last week, that's not the point.
I actually play more games than just Destiny, because you know what? I like to play a variety of games. With The Taken King just released I thought I'd get back into it
The fact is providing codes with such a short expiry date is a joke and quite simply a money grab. If you're disputing that, you're a bit of a goon.
Gipsy Danger
Member
A short expiry date? It was a year, this is all on you. In what universe is Bungie/Activision sitting in their ivory tower hoping that consumers don't redeem their codes? I'm pretty sure almost all codes have an expiry of 1-2 years, not just Destiny DLC. You had a WHOLE YEAR to redeem it, I buy a lot of a games and I have never taken longer than a week to redeem a code. Especially a code that has a monetary value of around $30-$40 essentially. This is ALL on you.
I think you'll find that most games have codes that last for at least 3 years, and many don't even expire after that date anyway.
Regardless, it doesn't matter to me now. Amazon are taking it back for a refund and have stopped selling it after I alerted them to the issue.
Have fun playing Destiny! The game that launched with hardly any content and requires further payment of nearly £60 just to make it what it should have been. I know i wont be buying it again.
Gipsy Danger
Member
But you can get the Legendary edition for £42 to make it what it should have been. You seem really bitter about this videogame. I've been enjoying TTK so ¯\_(ツ
_/¯
IISANDERII
Member
I said they were hungry for whales, not that this is what they're hunting for. I think theyre actually going for porpoises. Porpoises are smaller but there are more of them.
PSN codes specify an expiration date, and if you had bothered to contact Sony or Activision, there's a 95% chance they would have been able to help you out.
Instead, you got a full refund from Amazon, who sent you codes that actually worked, and you couldn't be assed to redeem them for the entire year you had them, after playing the game thoroughly for a year.
Instead, you got a full refund from Amazon, who sent you codes that actually worked, and you couldn't be assed to redeem them for the entire year you had them, after playing the game thoroughly for a year.