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Grand Theft Auto 5 on PC has been upgraded with a range of new ray tracing features, some of which we've already seen on the console versions of the games and others that are brand new. Alex takes a look at the game running fully maxed out, tests out performance on mainstream PC hardware and stacks up the new RT features against GTA 6 Trailer #1... are we seeing a preview of some of Rockstar's upcoming RT technology?

00:00:00 Introduction
00:00:53 How does RTGI affect the visuals?
00:07:04 What does this mean for GTA 6's visuals?
00:12:58 What does this mean for GTA 6's performance?
00:16:08 Conclusion

 

[Gonzito]

Whoever says that raytracing is useless is a complete ignorant

 

[Senua]

Whoever says that raytracing is useless is a complete ignorant

 

[mansoor1980]

did the ps5pro get a gta5 patch?
also looks extremely dated next to the gta6 trailer

 

[Gaiff]

Whoever says that raytracing is useless is a complete ignorant

It isn’t, but it’s often very poorly implemented with a hefty performance penalty, which marred its reputation.

did the ps5pro get a gta5 patch?

It didn’t get the same patch as the PC version which added RTGI.

also looks extremely dated next to the gta6 trailer

 

[adamsapple]

also looks extremely dated next to the gta6 trailer

It's a game from 2013, man.

 

[mansoor1980]

It's a game from 2013, man.

needs a remake

 

[ValiantInstance]

Whoever says that raytracing is useless is a complete ignorant

Not useless, but in the vast majority of cases not worth the performance tank that comes with it.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Cool patch and effort but not anywhere near my top priority lists to return to GTA 5 again.

Its a good thing for future that most games will have a form of ray tracing, be it software (Lumen, SVOGI) or hardware (RTGI) and it will have better through time. The raster period of open worlds with artist placed lights really show their age.

GTA 6 PC will probably have path tracing.

 

[SimTourist]

It's a game from 2013, man.

Built for hardware released in 2005, designed in 2003

 

[Loomy]

Threat Interactive straightening up his chair back and readying a scathing rebuttal as we speak.

This is cool to see on an almost 12 year old game.

 

[KuraiShidosha]

Been waiting forever for this one. Hoping for just Alex because he's the only one who truly gets ray tracing.

 

[amigastar]

Built for hardware released in 2005, designed in 2003

Well, no not really, if you look at GTA IV and V theres a huge difference in graphics because with age consoles get more optimized. GTA IV was designed for 2005 hardware.
I mean it is technically 2005 hardware but much more optimized.

 

[Kilau]

raytracing is useless

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Whoever says that raytracing is useless is a complete ignorant

Nobody thinks it's useless.

The issue is that it tanks performance to the point where the option isn't worthwhile in many games. So the sacrifice ends up not being worth it for many titles (there are exceptions).

Going forward, Ray Tracing will be a lot more important as it will probably be defining features of next gen consoles, over rasterization.

Cerny likes making developer's lives easier, and Ray Traced lighting is one area that makes it a lot easier on devs IF the performance is good.

 

[Buggy Loop]

raytracing is useless

Good fucking thing that actual graphic engine nerds and massive studios are not going in your direction

Peoples' jaws will drop with GTA 6 so yea, comments that will age like milk.

 

[Gaiff]

Well, no not really, if you look at GTA IV and V theres a huge difference in graphics because with age consoles get more optimized. GTA IV was designed for 2005 hardware.
I mean it is technically 2005 hardware but much more optimized.

I think you overstate the role of optimization. While devs do get a better handle of technology with time (especially a weird console like the PS3), building upon existing tech is probably a much bigger factor as to why you see improvements from one studio’s game to the next.

Also, I’m almost certain GTA V runs quite a bit worse than IV, so there’s that.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Whoever says that raytracing is useless is a complete ignorant

 

[GudOlRub]

Pff, Threat Interactive told me we've had better dynamic GI 8th gen games compared to many modern games, I bet he could make GTA 5 look much better with pure raster and without all this ray tracing nonsense, Rockstar should just hire him to build GTA 6's entire graphics pipeline.

Jfc I cringe by just writing that dude's cringy ass youtube channel name

 

[SmokSmog]

 

[Bojji]

needs a remake

This game had enough rereleases. GTA4 would be a good candidate for a remake...

RTGI looks great in this game. Only thing that is fucked up about PC version is lack of HDR support, console version has really good HDR so why Rockstar?

 

[amigastar]

I think you overstate the role of optimization. While devs do get a better handle of technology with time (especially a weird console like the PS3), building upon existing tech is probably a much bigger factor as to why you see improvements from one studio’s game to the next.

Also, I’m almost certain GTA V runs quite a bit worse than IV, so there’s that.

Yeah, that probably, too.
Anyways GTA V always felt like a next gen game to me rather than a PS3 game.

 

[mansoor1980]

This game had enough rereleases. GTA4 would be a good candidate for a remake...

RTGI looks great in this game. Only thing that is fucked up about PC version is lack of HDR support, console version has really good HDR so why Rockstar?

gta4 remake would be awesome

 

[adamsapple]

Whoever says that raytracing is useless is a complete ignorant

raytracing is useless

 

[Gonzito]

Can we really trust someone that likes Forspoken?

I dont think so papi

 

[Rush2112]

Does ray tracing mean it just looks like you turned the brightness up? Because that's what I see here.

 

[StereoVsn]

This game had enough rereleases. GTA4 would be a good candidate for a remake...

RTGI looks great in this game. Only thing that is fucked up about PC version is lack of HDR support, console version has really good HDR so why Rockstar?

Being saved for PS6 launch remake and $70 PC copy!

 

[StereoVsn]

gta4 remake would be awesome

Yep, would love to see that with expanded Liberty City and modern engine. My second favorite game in the series behind Vice City.

I would also love to see true Vice City Remake but they won’t ever happen with GTA VI set in Miami.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Does ray tracing mean it just looks like you turned the brightness up? Because that's what I see here.

Exactly. No one but you thought that just turning brightness up would do the same job without costing performance.

 

[Gonzito]

Threat Interactive straightening up his chair back and readying a scathing rebuttal as we speak.

This is cool to see on an almost 12 year old game.

Unsubscribe now!

 

[KyoZz]

Can we mod better texture in this Enhanced version of the game?

 

[Gonzito]

Can we mod better texture in this Enhanced version of the game?

Soon. Modders are updating the program to be able to do that and it's just a matter of time

 

[Magic Carpet]

Raytracing is usless . . . . on consoles.
I wanted raytracing results during that PC dick measuring thread, but NoooOOOoooo . Everyone turn off your raytracing.

edit-because it would show that Raytracing is usless on PC as well.

 

[Gaiff]

Yeah, that probably, too.
Anyways GTA V always felt like a next gen game to me rather than a PS3 game.

Yeah, it’s much closer to being a PS4 game than a PS3 one.

I still marvel at Crytek and Rockstar for being able to run Crysis 3 and GTA V on consoles with 256-512MB of RAM.

 

[Nankatsu]

Would prefer gameplay and npc interaction inovation over this any day to be honest.

 

[willothedog]

Raytracing is usless . . . . on consoles.
I wanted raytracing results during that PC dick measuring thread, but NoooOOOoooo . Everyone turn off your raytracing.

edit-because it would show that Raytracing is usless on PC as well.

Nah it was because it would just show how far AMD is behind.

 

[GudOlRub]

Would prefer gameplay and npc interaction inovation over this any day to be honest.

Let's hope we'll be getting the next breakthrough with VI. If these screenshots turn out not to be cutscenes but are instead actual gameplay footage that can happen dynamically while you roam Vice City, and if you can have all those npcs interacting dynamically with each other, having all those individual actions we see in the trailer and reacting to you and the world around them in a fully, gigantic open world game all at the same time then it might be the greatest AI evolution we've had in open world games in a long long while.

Spoiler

 

[rodrigolfp]

Would prefer gameplay and npc interaction inovation over this any day to be honest.

 

[ChiefDada]

Tsk tsk Alex still using the Ryzen 3600 to determine the potential of the PS5/Pro as if it hasn't consistently outperformed PC counterpart.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Tsk tsk Alex still using the Ryzen 3600 to determine the potential of the PS5/Pro as if it hasn't consistently outperformed PC counterpart.

Nah, it's good match. The consoles are stuck with low end and cutdown R5 chips and they're effectively shit for modern open world titles.

 

[Denton]

Tsk tsk Alex still using the Ryzen 3600 to determine the potential of the PS5/Pro as if it hasn't consistently outperformed PC counterpart.

Has it? From what I have seen if a game struggles to get 60fps on 3600, it similarly struggles to get there on consoles.

 

[Bojji]

Tsk tsk Alex still using the Ryzen 3600 to determine the potential of the PS5/Pro as if it hasn't consistently outperformed PC counterpart.

Game dependent and we don't really have many comparisons. In DD2 PS5 outperforms 3600 (capcom drm?), but in BG3 it's the other way around:

 

[ReBurn]

Tsk tsk Alex still using the Ryzen 3600 to determine the potential of the PS5/Pro as if it hasn't consistently outperformed PC counterpart.

To be fair he said the 3600 was "console-like" and didn't directly mention PS5/Pro in that statement.

 

[KuraiShidosha]

Looking forward to getting my 9950x3D setup. Coming from my old i7 7700k that I've been riding for awhile because my 7950x3D fried and I had to RMA. The game is insanely heavy on the CPU with ray tracing. I wish there was some type of mod to expand the BVH distance because my only real complaint is how the reflections especially on skyscrapers have a very clear clip range that doesn't make it out to the mountains, so you have a ton of buildings in the reflection then they just stop drawing to the blank empty skybox. It doesn't look great.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Game dependent and we don't really have many comparisons. In DD2 PS5 outperforms 3600 (capcom drm?), but in BG3 it's the other way around:

The laughably bad DD2 optimisation is the single worst scenario from which to draw comparisons/conclusions as to the capability of the console CPUs vs any PC chip.

 

[rofif]

This is legit some of the best GI I've seen that's also the cheapeast.
Metro Exodus finally got a competitor

edit: oh and dragons dogma 2 (without the mods even). That game RTGI looks amazing and runs around 60fps on the pro. Wish this gta 5 got patched to the pro. Even at 30fps. why not

 

[Bojji]

The laughably bad DD2 optimisation is the single worst scenario from which to draw comparisons/conclusions as to the capability of the console CPUs vs any PC chip.

This game has some insane CPU issues on PC. But they did optimization on consoles:

PS5 Pro wins with 5600X (that is better better cpu than 3600).

But this dude says that NXG has worse performance on 5600X than he has on 3700 so all of this is weird:

 

[rofif]

This game has some insane CPU issues on PC. But they did optimization on consoles:

PS5 Pro wins with 5600X (that is better better cpu than 3600).

that's really interesting.
I thought ps5 cpu is essentially a stepped down 3700x. They make a lot out of it.

 

[Bojji]

that's really interesting.
I thought ps5 cpu is essentially a stepped down 3700x. They make a lot out of it.

It's 3700 with gutted cache, lower clock and few other cuts.

 

[rofif]

It's 3700 with gutted cache, lower clock and few other cuts.

right!
So they indeed make a lot out of it.