The Fartist
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Digital Foundry Taps into PS4 Pro's secret sauce
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Soulblighter31
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wasnt it said a million times by actual graphics people pop in has nothing to do with ssd's ? And you can put the fastest ssd in the ps4 but the cpu will gimp it ?
The Fartist
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There's a section in the video where they show an obvious advantage thanks to the SSD where FF7's and Fallout 4's textures load faster. So there's that.
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Summary, though the video is definitely worth a watch:
- Loading times are improved (Internal SSD best results, external SSD lagging slightly behind). This is the biggest advantage.
- Texture loading/pop-in notably better with SSD compared to stock HDD
- Asset loading/pop-in better with SSD, in some cases geometry is drawn faster/ at a larger distance, though in most cases geometry/npc loading distance seems to be baked in.
- Menu navigation, small improvement with internal SSD. Menu navigation seems to be more tied to internet speed.
- Loading times are improved (Internal SSD best results, external SSD lagging slightly behind). This is the biggest advantage.
- Texture loading/pop-in notably better with SSD compared to stock HDD
- Asset loading/pop-in better with SSD, in some cases geometry is drawn faster/ at a larger distance, though in most cases geometry/npc loading distance seems to be baked in.
- Menu navigation, small improvement with internal SSD. Menu navigation seems to be more tied to internet speed.
Insane Metal
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These consoles don't even support SATA3 port speeds so yeah, it doesn't make a world of difference. Hence why some titles still take a whole minute to load even with an SSD.
MisterXDTV
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Usual DF pro Microsoft article...
You don't put an SSD in a console NEVER designed for it....
PS4 is a SATA HDD 5400 rpm console
This doesn't mean anything for PS5
You don't put an SSD in a console NEVER designed for it....
PS4 is a SATA HDD 5400 rpm console
This doesn't mean anything for PS5
jonnyp
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Indeed, and it's nothing new. I get that news is slow at the moment but making a video about this in 2020 is fucking silly as it has been known since the PS4 launched. It was also known it didn't improve as much as people wanted due to the interface.
Has nothing to do with next gen either, so what was the point of this DF?
The Fartist
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They have bills to pay like the rest of us?
Blond
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I have a 512GB SSD in my PS4 and I honest love it. Everything's so zippy it's insane.
Ulysses 31
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Newer knew about 8TB SSDs, might have to look into uses for them. 
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The Fartist
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Yeah, just installed a 1 TB Samsung 860 EVO a couple of days ago and there's no going back, it's awesome. I've had an M.2 on my PC for 2 years, but experiencing that similar boost on my PS4 feels pretty novel.
Also, just bought a used PS4 Pro with a faulty HDD this morning for $200 and then the DF video pops up! I bought the Pro an hour or two before DF uploaded.
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-Arcadia-
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This was fun. This knowledge comes years too late for me, with next-gen consoles right around the corner, though. Even playing backwards compatible games, I'll likely be using the internal drive.
If we weren't in the era of BC though, I would absolutely do this, with a cheaper drive. The improvements are tangible and far more impressive than I expected, when actual visuals are being affected, and loading times are taking a very meaningful decrease.
If we weren't in the era of BC though, I would absolutely do this, with a cheaper drive. The improvements are tangible and far more impressive than I expected, when actual visuals are being affected, and loading times are taking a very meaningful decrease.
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jonnyp
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They couldn't find a better story for a video than this?
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I wonder what the speed difference is between these SSD results and a 7200 RPM higher speed HDD.
They said in the video that the premium for the tested SSD is in storage capacity and the same results will be reached with smaller storage SSD's (cheaper) if the speeds are comparable.
They said in the video that the premium for the tested SSD is in storage capacity and the same results will be reached with smaller storage SSD's (cheaper) if the speeds are comparable.
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The Fartist
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Obviously not.
jonnyp
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Its bottle-necked by the decompression/encryption - hence why the PS5 has a ton of hardware and design specifically to remove that bottleneck.
The SSD decreases load times significantly when it has to load a ton of different files, because seek time is much better and that wouldn't be affected by those bottlenecks. Games like Monster Hunter, or the texture loading in games, is what sees the most benefit. When its just straight data loading it isn't much of an improvement over a mechanical hard drive.
The SSD decreases load times significantly when it has to load a ton of different files, because seek time is much better and that wouldn't be affected by those bottlenecks. Games like Monster Hunter, or the texture loading in games, is what sees the most benefit. When its just straight data loading it isn't much of an improvement over a mechanical hard drive.
Ulysses 31
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Ulysses 31
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Xbox One X can use internal SSDs as well which I found out recently, why DF not showing that as well? 
-Arcadia-
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With the release of PS4 Pro there were HD vs SSD charts showing the advantages.
Sometimes you miss something.
Thirty7ven
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Does it make sense for DF to make this video if they know of all the technical bottlenecks beforehand?
What is the pitch here?
What is the pitch here?
Ulysses 31
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Show off a 8TB SSD and loading times?
S0ULZB0URNE
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Some sneak pre ps5 launch SSD jabs from DF.
V4skunk
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Well its had good use on PC for years.
loktaiextatus
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And in consoles for years too... for some reason DF is a few years late comparing load times and transition speeds etc with SSDs... a simple youtube search will show you the speed advantages in launch ps4 (small but there) and PS4 pro (better) as well as XBOX consoles, etc. Its weird that this is news, if Im honest.
SF Kosmo
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No, it definitely adds to the time it takes to load in textures, but it's not the only think, and if there's another bottleneck then there's another bottleneck.
For as much as people talk about the PS5's "fast SSD", the custom silicon it uses for I/O and decompression is the thing that really sets it apart, I think. That WILL make pop in a thing of the past.
Great Hair
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To divert the attention perhaps, away from poor Craig and his low poly face among other issues to "look! Sony PS4 has popin as well!"
Let's remedy this by installing a cheap $900 8TB SSD in 2020. A total waste of time and bandwidth.
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The Fartist
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MasterCornholio
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Are you saying this it's because they want people to say that they release positive videos on playstation?
That's quite a conspiracy there.
If I'm not mistaken it's alot easier to replace the HDD in the PS4 Pro than the Xbox One X. Maybe that's why they did this video first?
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Bo_Hazem
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I stupid video this late to say the least, and architecture that doesn't even fully support more than 2.5x speeds over HDD no matter how fast the SSD is. Doesn't add a fraction to what has been spoken about years back but a smart way to fool low IQ people into believing that SSD improvements in PS5 won't be much. Typical DF.
By the way, I'm happy to see an 8TB SSD! I really need that on my PC for added storage.
By the way, I'm happy to see an 8TB SSD! I really need that on my PC for added storage.
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SidViscous
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Throughput is 90% gimped due to the slow port in the PS4, but you do see overall loading times decrease due lower seek times.
Not worth the money, especially this late on.
Not worth the money, especially this late on.
The Fartist
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Huh, I thought the ps4 pro only let you use 2TB for internals.
Hawking Radiation
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I witness all of the above on a daily basis especially the Menu navigation. HOLY SHIT, the menu navigation is MASSIVELY improved.
- Division 2 loads for me from start to in-game map in 25 seconds.
- Fast travel to any point on the map is 7 seconds flat.
Do the above with my stock hard drive.
- Takes me over 2 minutes to load into the game and start playing
- Fast travel can take up to 1 minute to travel to any point in the map.
Anyone who has a PS4 Pro MUST pick up the biggest internal SSD you can afford.
The difference in performance is night and day.
Oh hell yes. Again, my example i use is Division 2. On my stock drive the pop in was very obvious especially directly after fast travelling to any point on the map.
I don't see that same pop-in issues anymore with my internal SSD.
I don't know if its because of my SSD but Ghost of Tsushima is the current fastest loading game on my PS4 Pro. Fucking 20 seconds and i'm in the game from a dead start and dying in-game OR fast travel is like 3 -4 seconds. It almost seems instant.
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LordOfChaos
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The Pro did add SATA III, but they were still gain limited by the slow ARM IO coprocessor and I'm not sure if the weird SATA over USB bridge on the original was still in there, which would have limited things further (USB isn't great for latency)
PS4 Pro SSD Upgrade: Does SATA III Make a Difference? - PC Perspective
PS4 Pro SSD Upgrade: Does SATA III Make a Difference? When Sony launched the PS4 Pro late last year, it introduced an unusual mid-cycle performance update to
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Without optmization as always.
vaibhavpisal
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There is no better story currently if you want to pay your bills, than SSD.
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The Fartist
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Yeah, GAF is gonna GAF, I guess.
If I had money to burn, I'd totally put this 8 TB drive in every device possible. It is overkill, but so what? Digital Foundry did it because they can and know that this video would get clicks, nothing wrong with that.