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[Gojko_of_Rivia]

Get off my lawn!

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Resetera are losing their shit over this lool

Are Xbox tools behind ps5 : Timestamped



No I would not say that.

People damage controlling with the late tools defence, I send them this video from the horse's mouth refutation of that, and they either just ignore it or don't respond. It's remarkable how coping mechanisms shield the brain from thoughts it doesn't want to process

 

[onQ123]

MSocks made some shameless comments lol

As Always

 

[Schmick]

If you're going to spend £1000 on an Xbox and TV you may as well just buy a PC.

Yes but if buy a £1000 PC I'd still have a 1080p TV.

 

[Ma-Yuan]

I was planning to buy XSX down the line when this trend continues no reason at all...
Also sorry DF is fucking mild on ms. Frame issues buy a new TV wtf oO

 

[N30RYU]

got your reaction... and call it a tear

 

[TheDude108]

Of course it can be used as a solution, it's a supported feature on Xbox hardware. Yes devs should do better as 25% tanking of framerate is unacceptable gameplay wise, your going to feel that with no VRR.
I just got a VRR set and it makes Valhalla and Dirt 5 perfect with no tearing or stutter to deal with. Shouldn't give devs a pass but at least I have it to give me the best performance.

Saying, “but VRR makes it perfect” is no excuse. That means nothing to 99% of the user base currently. I hope VRR becomes ‘standard’ as it is great technology, but right now it is a nice to have.

 

[Md Ray]

There wasnt any ss even for PS2 imo.
The later, cheaper GC spank it as it should.
The Xbox OG destroyed PS2 tech.

Yes let's see if Phil will make a statement next week.

Lol Phil Spencer doesn't give a fuck. Stop.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Saying, “but VRR makes it perfect” is no excuse. That means nothing to 99% of the user base currently. I hope VRR becomes ‘standard’ as it is great technology, but right now it is a nice to have.

PS5 is getting VRR in a patch soon.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yes let's see if Phil will make a statement next week

I think whoever interviews Phil next should ask those questions.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

 

[Neo Blaster]

Framerate mode on XSX seems to be running at XSS settings. Once that bug is fixed, the XSX is still the best console to play this game on if you have a VRR compatible TV. I love my LG ngl.

So, the TV is better than MS tools?

 

[Shambala]

The tower of power keeps on kicking ass

 

[Coolwhhip]

So when are we going to accept that PS5 performs better? How many months Xbox fans? I don't mind either way, but maybe -just maybe- Cerny was onto something with the whole faster clock speeds thing.

 

[Aceofspades]

Do you guys remember grass gate for RDR1? Or was it GTAV on PS3/360?

This is even bigger difference!

All I can say : BASED CERNY

 

[Airbus Jr]

570p on Series S? Jesus

At this point just abort the series S already

 

[The_Mike]

Remember when the Series S would be pushing the PS5?

Good times

Wait did anyone say that?

 

[Great Hair]

Why are DF going full on defense mode for Xbox in this video?!

Microsoft still pissed about this video me thinks. It´s time for Microsoft to fund a new website and review bomb their rival on metacritic (<ignore the video, check the description).

 

[Insane Metal]

Wait did anyone say that?

Yep Riky I believe. lol

 

[Topher]

Started from DF iirc. Then Xbox influencers in social media started pushing it, and ended up spilling to everyone in the forums.

Found it. What is said is hardly definitive at all. Some have complained about the GDK while others seem fine with it.



The Dirt 5 guys said they were fine with the tools. So hard to take the "it is the tools" argument seriously when it is directly refuted by the developer for this very game.

 

[AgentP]

AS much as I like John (and detest Wichard), they really should lay off the editorializing. It comes across as being apologists for MS and DF already has a rep for bias. Just let the numbers do the talking, then report back with info from the devs. Don't make up theories based on no experience or data.

Also this looked like it was John's work and Wichard (the boss) sat in to make sure the message was not too positive for the Ps5

 

[Thief1987]

Wait did anyone say that?

Albert Penello said that series s will have higher average framerates than ps5 lol

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Framerate comparisons between PS5 and XBSX on the 120HZ mode are irrelevant if one console is rendering at half the detail.

That's like saying that comparing PS4 PRO to base PS4 is useless... it's pretty simple , one is better.

 

[SlimySnake]

Do you guys remember grass gate for RDR1? Or was it GTAV on PS3/360?

This is even bigger difference!

All I can say : BASED CERNY

gtav on x1 and ps4.

 

[Knightime_X]

It's baffling how Series X blatantly stronger than ps5 is performing worse.
There's definitely something going on in the background api wise.

 

[Knitted Knight]

On DMC5 the 120fps mode on XSX was a "bug" too...

DF needs new material.... they don't even know how to damage control this...

 

[mansoor1980]

Someone please, photoshop a man using lawn mower here asap

this is shocking

 

[Airbus Jr]

Series X looks like its missing some serious Anti Aliasing here

 

[MasterCornholio]

It's baffling how Series X blatantly stronger than ps5 is performing worse.
There's definitely something going on in the background api wise.

Could be something with the hardware design as well that's making it difficult for developers to take advantage of it.

 

[The_Mike]

Yep Riky I believe. lol

Albert Penello said that series s will have higher average framerates than ps5 lol

 

[JonkyDonk]

Series X looks like its missing some serious Anti Aliasing here

Missing a lot more than that...

 

[Entroyp]

I am really disappointed in DF here. I have defended them for months, but there is simply no excuse for them downplaying this. First they started this nonsense tools excuse, and now its a bug. Like what? they have a very good repertoire with codemasters, why didnt they get confirmation before saying its a bug? they said they told codemasters about this, but surely it would be easy for codemasters to say hey its a bug, we will fix it.

the nonsense about downplaying the difference in image quality modes and the framerate in the resolution mode is also weird. When the PS4 had worse AF in every game, we just assumed the PS4 was bad at AF. So why are we not assuming the same about the xsx underperforming in virtually every game? Why not assume that the xsx is able to keep up in the 120 fps mode because of the downgraded graphics?

I cant help, but wonder if they have boxed themselves into a corner here by running ludicrous articles and videos downplaying the PS5 hardware and are trying to save face. If you have proof that its a bug, fine. Show us the proof, get us a quote from a dev. It really shouldnt be that hard. if a console version is doing poorly in other modes, recommend the other.

This shouldnt be that hard. It's their one job. to recommend one version over the other, and they end the video saying its a wash. Like come the fuck on. What if codemasters doesnt patch the 120 fps mode? what if the patch doesnt fix the image quality mode? Will they still recommend people go buy the xsx version?

This is the 3rd direct comparison they have done where xsx is doing poorly. surely, this is a precedent. they havent covered watch dogs or cod but we have seen the ps5 do better there in other comparisons. Their dev sources already told them that the PS5 was more capable and that was before launch. Maybe it's time to stop making excuses and call up Microsoft and ask them just wtf is going on.

I feel you. I always had faith in them because I enjoyed most of their work. But man, it’s not only the fact that they downplay anything PS but lick MS’ ass so deep and so hard it’s unbearable now.

 

[Aceofspades]

Unlock my damn thread

If Microsoft don't use just the TFLOPS to compare Xbox Series X GPU to the Xbox One & Xbox One X why is everyone else using it to compare it to PS5 ?

They only claim a 4-6X raw GPU advantage over Xbox One while having 9X TFLOPS advantage , The triangles rate advantage is the part that bring it down to 4 -6X the raw GPU output & PS5 actually has the advantage in triangle & pixel fill rate so why do people keep using the Xbox Series X GPU...

www.neogaf.com

Daaamn that thread! I would like Stuart360 to apologize for you

 

[geordiemp]

Tools can be fixed the hardware can't.

With that said time will prove which one is the issue.

Well, the same GDK for 5700 XT RDNA1 on higher ultra settings averages 68fps with 58fps min in 1440p

So It cannot be the development as 5700 runs it fine at 1440p in ultra (IQ mode)

So its either XSX api or software specfic to the XSX, or the hardware where its designed to be a server running 4 games and a console. Take your pick.

 

[RaySoft]

Can we all just agree that NXGamer's API video had some merit? So many "couch experts" were almost attacking him after that video. Now the same people are shouting his message from the rooftops.. funny.

It's quite clear MS' GDK is not as mature compared to Sony's solution, so a good thing they have VRR to fall back on in the meantime. With that said tho' all the 12TF people need to learn that a renderpipeline isnt going to be better if you throw more shaders at it. (shading is never the bottleneck, as long has you have enough for the sweetspot)
You could actually make a GPU with "nothing more" than shaders.. the TF would be through the roof, but the rendering pipe could be on par with a last-gen GPU. Now, no GPU designer would make such a card for gaming, but this is why AMD have made two different GPU's to hone in on both markets (gaming/servers) Their server side CDNA offerings have more compute (and then more shaders) compared to their gaming offerings. So to all you TF people; upping the TF usually has no benefit if you can't support them with the rest of the hardware.

 

[Md Ray]

1000$+ PC cannot lock onto 60fps. We have to wait for MS and AMD software drivers and GDK to mature.
RX6800 which is closer to Series X in specs, dips below 60. It is the tools.

Consoles aren't using fixed 2160p, highest settings.
Here's how they run:
EDIT: The 60FPS mode apparently has RT enabled on consoles.

 

[OutRun88]

I'd say playing Dirt 5 for 30+ hrs is a bad investment

I'm confused. Do you play games or just look at them?

 

[onQ123]

Daaamn that thread! I would like Stuart360 to apologize for you

They never do

 

[Whitecrow]

XBOX tools:

PlayStation tools:

PC tools:

PC tools are mostly the same as XBOX, aka DX12. But you have alternatives like Vulkan, or 600€ GPUs that brute forces throught those bad tools.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

Series X looks like its missing some serious Anti Aliasing here

What? The entire car is a different level of detail model loaded in.

 

[rapid32.5]

Abou that.

 

[Aceofspades]

Series X looks like its missing some serious Anti Aliasing here

Anti aliasing? The model itself is brought from Xbox 360 lol

 

[RaySoft]

Series X looks like its missing some serious Anti Aliasing here

As they said in the video, this is probably because the wrong "gfx profile" were applied to the Series X version, and not a deliberate downgrade. I could be wrong though, who knows except the devs.

 

[DustQueen]

Maybe that Bethesda team has already pitched in, Skyrim engine folks.

I am banking on id software team.

But maybe Bathesda ll come up with something that "just works"!

 

[FunkMiller]

 

[Knightime_X]

Could be something with the hardware design as well that's making it difficult for developers to take advantage of it.

If that's the case I'm skipping all of their PC ports because clearly they don't know what they're doing.

 

[Strider Highwind]

I'm confused. Do you play games or just look at them?

Thats actually how I feel whenever I see these types of threads. Whole bunch of people arguing over which console performs better with regards to a game they more than likely will never play. I beat Miles Morales earlier in the week and Demon Souls last night tho lol

If you haven't figured it out yet im shitting on Dirt 5...how you got gaming in general from that is beyond me. So yes the argument still stands..anyone spending 30+ hours playing a Dirt game..thats a bad investment

 

[BruceWayneIII]

Wowowow....

Wtf is wrong with this quality picture on Series X?

Seriously not fanboying this is really messed up...

What the hell is wrong with Series X programing code here man?

It might be the result of having the Series S in the mix and could be a mistake / bug regards to assets or LOD. Just a guess on my part, though.

 

[MasterCornholio]

If that's the case I'm skipping all of their PC ports because clearly they don't know what they're doing.

Not really maybe what they wanted was a larger TF number than the competition for marketing purposes. Most casuals are not going to be looking at Digital Foundry comparisons.

 

[ethomaz]

As they said in the video, this is probably because the wrong "gfx profile" were applied to the Series X version, and not a deliberate downgrade. I could be wrong though, who knows except the devs.

If that the case then the concern about PC, Xbox One, Xbox One X, Series S, Series X unified tools and cross-development is real.

Aka old hardware holding new hardware.
It could be a pain for devs.