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[Kotaro]

Elon riled against wokeness in video game in the last 24 hours

 

[Fake]

As dumb as body type A and body type B.

 

[Davevil]

Every time i see Musk, i'm little scared.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Maddoxswe]

Our saviour, mr Musk!

 

[Three]

So Avowed is the target now? Let's see some MS fans change tune.

 

[Kurotri]

I mean yeah but is this really thread worthy? It's also not his first time saying this.

 

[FeralEcho]

As dumb as body type A and body type B.

"There are no men and women, it's body type A and body type B.

But why can't I take body type B's top off?

Because she's a woman."

The logic of a mentally damaged wokie.

The sooner gaming does without these retards the better the world will be.

 

[Humdinger]

I'm anti-woke but I wish people wouldn't leap to conclusions based on a single bit of data like he/him vs. male. Yeah, it's cringe, but "totally unacceptable"? Not to me. If the rest of the game is fine, I can overlook little progressivisms like that.

I would rather wait and see if there are other data to corroborate that the game is woke before making assumptions. To me, whether a game is woke depends mostly on dialog, characters, and story, not just on a label in a character menu.

 

[adamsapple]

Elon and alleged game developer grummz should get together and make a game of their own.

 

[Sophist]

I am not convinced that concord, dragon age, ... have failed because of wokism.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

Trying to decide what should or should not be featured in fantasy is what should be considered truly unacceptable. What a bunch of wankers.

But I’m sure this rhetoric will be well received by some here. After all, attempts were made by the resident retards to haul shit at a game because, you know, women are supposedly too weak to wield a katana.

 

[Vandole]

I am not convinced that concord, dragon age, ... have failed because of wokism.

Pretty much. No game failed because it was woke. On the other hand, a lot of shitty games have tried to cover up shitty by being woke.

 

[TommyCronin6969]

Is this really a hill worth dying on in gaming? There's so much other stuff to rally against in gaming this is legit the lowest hanging fruit I've ever seen.

 

[grvg]

Elon and alleged game developer grummz should get together and make a game of their own.

Grummz has a good game under his belt, and he ran it into the ground through really dumb financial decisions.

Firefall was cool, though.

 

[BattleScar]

The whole point of fantasy is that its fantasy.
There are no rules, only a question of if its good or bad.

Is this really a hill worth dying on in gaming? There's so much other stuff to rally against in gaming this is legit the lowest hanging fruit I've ever seen.

I'm convinced that some people are just brainbroken by this nonsense. Its the rallying cry of people who don't know what's going on, and are searching for things to blame.
Wokeness isn't what's ruining games, its actually capitalism (but you'd randomly get called a commie for saying that).
Most games aren't made to entertain or inspire. They're made to make a profit. Everything in gaming these days is in service to Shareholder Value. Even if "Wokism" goes away, the underlying motive is the same. It'll just change from "woke pandering" to "antiwoke pandering", but with the same vapid nonsense underneath it. "Woke" or "not woke" is just a coat of paint after all.

Classic case of missing the forest for the trees, because ironically, so many gamers are soft and easy to offend.

Musk is pandering, he doesn't care about any of this. He's just saying all this BS to win political brownie points. You think he wants politics out of gaming? Lol no, he's making political gains using gaming as a tool, same way he used twitter.

 

[Hookshot]

How long until Blizzard ban him for being a meanie?

 

[Alexios]

Why? You can believe it doesn't apply to your reality but how can it not apply to a fantasy? Anyway, as he said it's "really annoying". That's a personal issue, not an objective quality making anything "unacceptable".

I can choose to move on and not be annoyed by everything, though there are annoying things that do affect us in life and should be unacceptable. Like billionaires making backdoor deals & not paying their dues...

Lots of people here can be described as really annoying but that doesn't mean I'm gonna make it a life goal and political campaign to ban them out of Gaf, the world, or against anything made appealing to them.

 

[Moridianae]

Wokism isn't the reason they fail, but it's arguably a component to it.

The Veilguard scene(if it's true I didn't look into it) seems ridiculous to me.

Contrast that to something like Baldurs Gate 3(and correct me if I am wrong) wherein if you make a character who is non-binary or trans, there isn't any real..change.

If Avowed is good, and it doesn't have that same kind of forced ideology(it's just kinda there) I'm fine with whatever.

My point is it just flows as it should(how you're referred to is automatically adjusted, because it doesn't matter)

Concord failed because it was completely and utterly average. It had nothing that made it appealing. It was as run of the mill as they come.

Also, people are tired of it, I guess.

The "modern audience" doesn't seem to exist outside of an echo chamber. It reflects in sales, viewership, etc.

And when people vote with their wallet, or choose to watch something else, or vote for something else they're labeled all manner of nasty terms.

Quick to blame everyone else, never a bit of introspection on what they themselves are doing.

How many devs have we seen meltdown and lash out when it doesn't work out? I've seen several instances. If I recall, didn't a Concord developer attack everyone not long before release?

 

[Hayabusabruh]

Elon is gonna buy Phil Spencer.

 

[Majukun]

not really sure what would make it either unacceptable or make it kill art,there is an argument to be made when it goes against lore, like having estethic surgery scars in a world where changing form through magic is a thing and the technology is akin to medieval europe



but there's nothing absolute that makes it "unacceptable" or "ruin art"

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

So Avowed is the target now? Let's see some MS fans change tune.

Yup its the target now and rightfully so. I was looking forward to the game very much but as a matter of principle I'm skipping it now. I refuse to participate in the mind virus delusion and will speak with my wallet once again. There are plenty of games that don't pander that are still available to play.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

*snip "Even if "Wokism" goes away, the underlying motive is the same. It'll just change from "woke pandering" to "antiwoke pandering", but with the same vapid nonsense underneath it. "*snip

Meaning we will get more tits, ass, violence, and more mature dialogue? Yeah, sounds real awful.

 

[StereoVsn]

On one hand yeah it’s annoying AF. On the other hand Grumz and Elon Musk… that’s a duo that I wouldn’t want to follow, lol.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Unacceptable? Nahh. There are games where it makes sense. But I find the inclusion of pronouns or other progressive/political elements in many games inappropriate. These elements don't seem widely celebrated or requested either, so it's odd there's such a push for them in mainstream games. I think devs should listen to their customers more, especially in pre-established IP.

 

[lughnasadh123]

I get not understanding or even not liking having pronouns in games, but "killing art?" Fuck off.

 

[clem84]

Honestly, it's just weird. It's a fantasy video game. You can play as any character you want, male or female. Giving the player the ability to play as a specific gender, and using pronouns of the other gender feels a little bit like propaganda. There's just no reason.

 

[midnightAI]

Yup its the target now and rightfully so. I was looking forward to the game very much but as a matter of principle I'm skipping it now. I refuse to participate in the mind virus delusion and will speak with my wallet once again. There are plenty of games that don't pander that are still available to play.

You won't buy it because it contains pronouns? (It's on gamepass, so it's kinda free)

Seems a bit strange to not play a game because of that, now if it (what is deemed to be woke) runs throughout the whole game then I'd see your point, but just a couple of words? Your choice though

 

[StereoVsn]

I get not understanding or even not liking having pronouns in games, but "killing art?" Fuck off.

Pronouns don’t kill art, yes, but the generic thought police in Western studios that shoves every large game full of shit and makes them bland AF certainly does.

Look at Starfield. It’s been made so bland and inoffensive that it’s just tasteless. Woke crap on top just detracts more but it’s not the main issue. This is just an example, but it shows that DEI police and “HR in the room” do have a huge effect on art.

 

[Zathalus]

It’s irrelevant to if the game will actually be good or not. Can this lead to bad writing? Yes, as Dragon Age clearly demonstrates. Can it also not? Yes, as Baldurs Gate 3 clearly demonstrates.

Judge the game on the quality of its gameplay and writing, not an optional component of a character creator for a RPG.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

You won't buy it because it contains pronouns? (It's on gamepass, so it's kinda free)

Seems a bit strange to not play a game because of that, now if it (what is deemed to be woke) runs throughout the whole game then I'd see your point, but just a couple of words? Your choice though

I don't support Gamepass so it's not free for me.

Its strange to you to stick to your moral compass? Whats strange to me is everyone going along with the mental delusion just because you want to play a video game.

 

[Rudius]

I am not convinced that concord, dragon age, ... have failed because of wokism.

Concord would not have failed that hard if it wasn't woke. I it would still fail, but would not be the worst of all time.

 

[adamsapple]

Someone ask for Elon's opinion on Baldur's Gate 3 and how it ruined this fantasy game.

 

[XXL]

Every time i see Musk, i'm little scared.

 

[Humdinger]

The trouble with trying to figure out whether something failed because it was woke or because it sucked for other reasons is that the two are often interrelated. A company focused on hiring DEI writers, for example, will produce both a woke game and a game with cringey characters and lame story. We've seen this so often, I hope I don't need to provide examples. As was pointed out elsewhere, the fact that the game is woke usually means that the game is low quality. So it's hard to separate the two and talk about whether the game failed because it was woke or for other reasons (story, characters, etc.) - because the two are usually correlated.

 

[Sophist]

Pretty much. No game failed because it was woke. On the other hand, a lot of shitty games have tried to cover up shitty by being woke.

Anti-wokes will try to turn the failure into a victory for them (go woke go broke!) then the devs/publisher will use that as an excuse (It's because of the bigots!).

 

[darrylgorn]

Whine but don't do anything about it.

Sounds about right.

 

[Trekinspace88]

So Elon Musk doesn't want pronouns in games now? So the only way to make Elon happy is to make all games have what body type A and body type B instead?

So Elon has officially joined the cancel culture team lol. Glad i abandoned twitter now.

 

[Lambogenie]

It's annoying to try and normalise it anywhere. The fact that medics are forced to include it on their bio or ID card is dumb and actually unforgivable for institutes to enforce such lunacy.

The body type A/B that even Pokemon has is dumb as shit too.

You've got wasted meetings discussing character pronouns, if body type is offensive or not, if their tan is correct, all through projection, insecurities and often at the expense of the creators vision. There are clearly prioritised boxes (black, lgbt, fat) that stray from making these characters actually interesting or cool to just boring ass quotas. Market and audience goes out the window to try and catch all approach. Fuck that. It has continuously annoyed the existing audience instead for legacy series.

 

[PeteBull]

Every1 can decide on their own if they wanna spend their hard earned money on woke shitty games, some gafers did, and they got burned big time this year, most ofc wont even admit it tho

Problem is when game is infested with wokeism and reviewers, even ones giving bad scores/negative opinion of the game dont mention it even with one word/sentence, even hidden between word salad, and that was for example the case of DA:V or spiderman2, luckily in DA:V case many youtubers(so not professional journos, aka sellouts) stepped up and normal players got the info needed, not so much in spiderman2 case- many ppl got dissapointed =/

TLDR: I want customers to have access to info if and how woke particular game is, dont want that info avaiable weeks/months after game's launch only.
Then every1 can make informed choice and has only his stupid ass to blame for making wrong decision

Potencial future candidates for woke flops: Evoved, Indiana Jones and 2 "diamonds" directly hermen "the flop" hulst will be blamed for- fairgame$ and marathon

As a counter- 1 game we know for sure wont have anything woke in it: KCD2 (confirmed by the dev on one of his long streams not surprisingly he/his dev studio is based in eastern europe

Biggest question mark is ofc gta6. Hoping for the best like all of us but u never know, so far it all looks top notch but we only saw reveal trailer after all.

 

[Sophist]

Every time i see Musk, i'm little scared.

 

[Little Chicken]

What is actually "killing" art is the price manipulation in the market by those who treat art as an investment asset, so Elon and his 1% friends.

He's just bitter that his trans child called him out as a deadbeat dad on his own platform. Nothing more than a tantrum by the emerald mine baby.

 

[Unknown?]

The whole point of fantasy is that its fantasy.
There are no rules, only a question of if its good or bad.



I'm convinced that some people are just brainbroken by this nonsense. Its the rallying cry of people who don't know what's going on, and are searching for things to blame.
Wokeness isn't what's ruining games, its actually capitalism (but you'd randomly get called a commie for saying that).
Most games aren't made to entertain or inspire. They're made to make a profit. Everything in gaming these days is in service to Shareholder Value. Even if "Wokism" goes away, the underlying motive is the same. It'll just change from "woke pandering" to "antiwoke pandering", but with the same vapid nonsense underneath it. "Woke" or "not woke" is just a coat of paint after all.

Classic case of missing the forest for the trees, because ironically, so many gamers are soft and easy to offend.

Musk is pandering, he doesn't care about any of this. He's just saying all this BS to win political brownie points. You think he wants politics out of gaming? Lol no, he's making political gains using gaming as a tool, same way he used twitter.

1) I don't think you know how markets(which is "capitalism" but that word was invented by people to confuse) work and 2) we don't have capitalism anywhere there's a central bank.

If the problem is wanting to make a profit, then why weren't games bad from the start? The goal has ALWAYS been to make a profit. Final Fantasy was named that because they expected no profit and to go out of business. Games that focus on pure profit like concord without caring of the consumer die and better games wipe them out.

 

[PeteBull]

Someone ask for Elon's opinion on Baldur's Gate 3 and how it ruined this fantasy game.

BG3 was great despite wokeism, it didnt put it in ur face, thats big difference vs many other games, and fan's response aka sales made it clear.

 

[rofif]

As dumb as body type A and body type B.

This shit is in demons souls and it's hard to say at a first glance until your character Knight walks funny

 

[MayauMiao]

Glad to see gamers around the world are hyper aware of the woke mind virus.

Elon Musk acknowledging it probably cause several publishers still having DEI in their game to scramble in panic.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

What is actually "killing" art is the price manipulation in the market by those who treat art as an investment asset, so Elon and his 1% friends.

He's just bitter that his trans child called him out as a deadbeat dad on his own platform. Nothing more than a tantrum by the emerald mine baby.

Elon Derangement Syndrome

A mental disorder characterized by disparaging anything Elon Musk does. Sufferers experience rapid onset of EDS (Elon Derangement Syndrome) when they learn Elon Musk does not have a radical left-wing intersectional queer critical race theory based world view.

Treatments include going outside, touching grass, shutting the fuck up.

 

[adamsapple]

BG3 was great despite wokeism, it didnt put it in ur face, thats big difference vs many other games, and fan's response aka sales made it clear.

So that just shows you that having pronouns in fantasy RPG's both can be acceptable and don't kill art with 'wokeism'

 

[Tarkus]

Elon is gonna buy Phil Spencer.

Make Gaming Great Again

 

[Humdinger]

Elon Derangement Syndrome

A mental disorder characterized by disparaging anything Elon Musk does. Sufferers experience rapid onset of EDS (Elon Derangement Syndrome) when they learn Elon Musk does not have a radical left-wing intersectional queer critical race theory based world view.

Treatments include going outside, touching grass, shutting the fuck up.

Elon Derangement Syndrome, that's a new one. Hadn't heard that.