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[SlimySnake]

This is going to take time. Not that many people are just going to get rid of their system mid-gen and sell right now. Especially if they are tied into GP for a few more years. It's next gen when it's time to pickup that new console where I think Xbox is going to see their sales crater even more. Even at the begging of this gen I think Sony said they had 30% all new users.

No, i meant the people who didnt buy the xbox this gen but did last gen. They dont have to sell their systems mid gen because they never bought them this gen.

	2023	2024
Total	7.4	5,85
PS5	4.6	3,68
XBS	0,55	0.29
NSW	2.25	1.91

PS5 sold almost twice as much as Switch and 12:1 compared to Xbox.

how do you manage to sell 290k units in an entire year. thats practically impossible.

 

[Davesky]

The average gamer in Europe is too young to have lived through the PS1 era, and just want any console necessary to be able to go online and play games such as Fifa and COD. Gamers that did live through that era are either too skint to afford a PS5 or have so much work and family commitments they don't have time for these types of games anymore. (FF7 Rebirth)

 

[SweetTooth]

	2023	2024
Total	7.4	5,85
PS5	4.6	3,68
XBS	0,55	0.29
NSW	2.25	1.91

PS5 sold almost twice as much as Switch and 12:1 compared to Xbox.

With GTA6 on the horizon, PS5 will continue this momentum!

Looks like I underestimated PS5 sales in my earlier comment, and overestimated Switch and Xbox.

Holy shit

 

[pulicat]

It sold like 3 million in the first month, that’s not a flop, sales must have been very skewed to NA

3 million PR is only for FF XVI, while nothing has been announced yet for Rebirth.

 

[RickMasters]

Yeah, its now pretty obvious the game completely flopped on PS5. Such a shame as I hear it is very good. I have it pre ordered on PC but I don't think it will perform better on PC as it has missed the launch hype.

And this is why staggered PC releases only really hurt the devs and pubs with these games. Just put it out on everything and spend one cost on marketing. Even when I hear people say “ oh people will double dip” no we ducking well won’t.

The idea of buying a game twice for two different platforms is just dumb. I’d rather buy it once and use the same copy on console and pC with cross platform saves.

That’s one thing I’ll give MS the thumbs up on….. if I buy a game on windows I also get the Xbox version. That’s how it should be.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

5. Anyone who didn't buy or finish FF7 Remake will have no reason to pick up the second game. FF7 part three is going to sell even less than FF7 Rebirth for the same reason. Splitting one story into multiple games is just dumb, it's gonna hurt sales.

that's what I mean by #1

The problem with making a trilogy of games is that you'll be hard pressed to sell the 2nd game to people who didn't buy the 1st game. The PS4 had a userbase of 120 million, whereas when the sequel came out the PS5 had less than 60.

It was dumb not to build this around PS4 with PS5 enhancements inline with Intergrade.

Imagine a venn diagram with the following circles

PS5 Owners
FF7 Remake owners
PS4 Owners

There was going to be overlap among FF7 Remake owners and PS5 owners, but it's obviously not all encompassing. I don't think it was dumb to split it into multiple games, but excluding the PS4 wasn't going to be a great solution.

6. Square Enix has milked the franchise with subpar releases, damaging the brand. FF7R was just a nostalgic ploy.

Yes, my interest in Final Fantasy has never been lower, but this is what I was getting to in #3

 

[SweetTooth]

5. Anyone who didn't buy or finish FF7 Remake will have no reason to pick up the second game. FF7 part three is going to sell even less than FF7 Rebirth for the same reason. Splitting one story into multiple games is just dumb, it's gonna hurt sales.

Yup I completely agree with this assessment. Add to that is FF stopped being this juggernaut series after FFX.

 

[Three]

IMHO FF lost a lot of its global popularity after FF XIII (and not not because it's a multiplat release... it's because it is a shitty game).

It's 100% because Square shot itself in the foot. I don't know how much you know about European culture.

 

[yurinka]

Very odd to see some of these games selling so much more than FF7:R

Makes no sense to me, was FF never popular in Europe?

FF is popular in Europe, but not as popular as FIFA, CoD, GTA, Mario, etc. It's a good seller, not a top seller.

This is only the top 20, many games that sell well aren't included there. Pretty likely it's in the top 20-top 40 range. If you only count the games released this year, pretty likely should be in the top 10-top 15.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Yup I completely agree with this assessment. Add to that is FF stopped being this juggernaut series after FFX.

Last traditional turned based JRPG for mainline FF games...

They completely turned their backs on their fanbase in hopes of chasing bigger numbers from action games like Devil May Cry, Resident Evil, Witcher, God of War.

Still have no idea how they can see Pokemon and even Persona do big numbers but convince themselves that there isn't a market for JRPGs.

 

[pulicat]

150-250m budget games flopped spectacularly.

IMHO FF lost a lot of its global popularity after FF XIII (and not not because it's a multiplat release... it's because it is a shitty game).

FF13 - 8m units sold
FF13-2 - 3.5m units sold
FF14 - The biggest profit maker for Square Enix
FF15 - 10m units sold
FF7 Remake - 7m units sold
FF16 - 3m units sold
FF7 Rebirth - less than 3m sold

 

[Gilgalaad]

If Outlaws is a flop (and it’s a flop), what is Dragon age the veilguard ?

 

[Kvally]

FTFY

I will rephrase. RIP PS, Xbox and Switch!

 

[Oberstein]

Software sales from Europe always make me nauseous... and I live in Europe.

 

[EN250]

Yeah being first place is bad now , I can bet that PS5 outsold both Switch and Xbox combined

You can be in first place with shitty numbers too you know, not saying PS5 is outright flopping but it keeps on a decline, so what is it?

 

[PauloRoberto]

150-250m budget games flopped spectacularly.
FF13 - 8m units sold
FF13-2 - 3.5m units sold
FF14 - The biggest profit maker for Square Enix
FF15 - 10m units sold
FF7 Remake - 7m units sold
FF16 - 3m units sold
FF7 Rebirth - less than 3m sold

you are mixing profit and unit solds… and for the later, you should put dates for a better comparison

 

[StereoVsn]

IMO, High PS5 prices in Europe plus high game prices (€80+ ) contributed to Sony’s numbers.

Switch decline was surprisingly good for 8 year old console.

 

[SweetTooth]

You can be in first place with shitty numbers too you know, not saying PS5 is outright flopping but it keeps on a decline, so what is it?

True, but PS5 is not doing shitty numbers at all, in fact its one of the fastest selling consoles ever

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dragon Age: The Veilguard (No.67)

 

[ToneyJ]

Imagine buying Activision, releasing Call of Duty day 1 "for free" on your platform, and still losing this badly.

 

[Synastry]

No, i meant the people who didnt buy the xbox this gen but did last gen. They dont have to sell their systems mid gen because they never bought them this gen.

how do you manage to sell 290k units in an entire year. thats practically impossible.

How is it impossible with how dead XBS is?

I saw a post that If the XBS doesn't sell over 850K units in NA for DEC it'll be on pace to sell less then 3M for the whole year in NA.

Sales-Age - Circana November 2024: #1 Black Ops 6 #2 Madden #3 FC 25 #4 CF 25 ; PS5 #1 Units + Rev, NSW #2 Units + Rev / Switch reaches 46.6M passing PS2

A revenue increase when they are railroading people towards a new more expensive tier in order to gain access to new games like COD isn't necessarily indicative of the total number of subscribers increasing. I think they may well have seen an increase in subs (if they didn't then it's a...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Unknown?]

And this is why staggered PC releases only really hurt the devs and pubs with these games. Just put it out on everything and spend one cost on marketing. Even when I hear people say “ oh people will double dip” no we ducking well won’t.

The idea of buying a game twice for two different platforms is just dumb. I’d rather buy it once and use the same copy on console and pC with cross platform saves.

That’s one thing I’ll give MS the thumbs up on….. if I buy a game on windows I also get the Xbox version. That’s how it should be.

PC day one wouldn't have made much of a difference than waiting. Not a million more on a game that you need to play the first on.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

And this is why staggered PC releases only really hurt the devs and pubs with these games. Just put it out on everything and spend one cost on marketing. Even when I hear people say “ oh people will double dip” no we ducking well won’t.

The idea of buying a game twice for two different platforms is just dumb. I’d rather buy it once and use the same copy on console and pC with cross platform saves.

That’s one thing I’ll give MS the thumbs up on….. if I buy a game on windows I also get the Xbox version. That’s how it should be.

I'm going to try something here, knowing that I probably won't be successful, but you're only looking at a specific part of the puzzle.

Why does Sony stagger their single player releases knowing they'll sell sell on PC if they launch at a later date? Why? Because they're primarily still focused on building their console user base which in turn increases their overall attachment rate and they make money from games they don't even need to invest in.

Why does Square Enix make FF7 Rebirth a Playstation exclusive and stagger the PC release a year later? Because Sony gave them money. Sure releasing it on PC day 1 will probably improve sales, but which is higher? The number of units sold due to the day 1 release or the money Sony gives them? Which is riskier? What can you do with that guaranteed money in advance? There's not much evidence that a Day 1 release is really worth it for specific types of games. Look at Silent Hill 2 and Metaphor, which still sold vastly more on PlayStation than PC. For Silent Hill 2, Konami took money to not release on Xbox, but less money than had they foreclosed on PC. Would it have made more sense to delay the PC release and get more money? We'll never know, except for maybe future behavior.

Microsoft went day 1, but they've also greatly minimized the importance of their console to their own detriment...

 

[Hardensoul]

IMHO FF lost a lot of its global popularity after FF XIII (and not not because it's a multiplat release... it's because it is a shitty game).

It’s probably more that fans don’t want their remake broken up into pieces and in multiple console generations. The next game is likely PS6 generation. How many years will that be between games?

I’m in this camp, it doesn’t matter how good the games are, I’m not starting an incomplete game. I can go back and play OG FF7 instead.

 

[LordOcidax]

FF7 Rebirth was doomed by a few things

1. The limited sales of FF7 Remake
2. The limited userbase on PS5
3. The excitement post FF7 Remake is limited
4. It's still not the full game

FF7 Rebirth probably needed a PS4 release more than anything else, but Final Fantasy is a lost franchise with no identity. Many core Final Fantasy fans like myself have been checked out for years now and Square is really doing nothing to bring us back to the table.

They'll be wise to bring the FF7 Remake trilogy across all platforms with decent pricing when all is said and done.

PS5, Switch 2, XBS, PC, PS6. But even being multiplatform won't save it.

20% is pretty much in line with what Sony was expecting. Looks like they're probably going to hit their fiscal year forecast give or take a really bad Q4. Doesn't seem to be off to a great start, but Monster Hunter Wilds might change that.

5. Not turn based

 

[mayham2199]

It’s probably more that fans don’t want their remake broken up into pieces and in multiple console generations. The next game is likely PS6 generation. How many years will that be between games?

I’m in this camp, it doesn’t matter how good the games are, I’m not starting an incomplete game. I can go back and play OG FF7 instead.

I had this attitude at first but I'm glad I got bored and decided to just play Remake. It's not that bad honestly and it doesn't feel any different than the GOW 2018 ending or the mass effect game ending. Those games still had more story to tell and didn't finish the overall main story but they still gave a satisfying ending in each title.

 

[thismeinteil]

Very odd to see some of these games selling so much more than FF7:R

Makes no sense to me, was FF never popular in Europe?

Or maybe people don't like all the dumb changes they made to the game. A faithful remake this is not.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Or maybe people don't like all the dumb changes they made to the game. A faithful remake this is not.

Yeah I’m sure that’s it with how well it was received

 

[thismeinteil]

Yeah I’m sure that’s it with how well it was received

Received by critics and maybe people who were fine with the shit changes to Remake. The drop in sales speaks for itself.

 

[Vroadstar]

Now imagine that the xbox sold 1, the switch sold 5 and the ps5 sold 12 units in total!!

YAY, I'm number 1!!!

Now imagine your "neutral" stance. Yay I'm Switzerland!!

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Jez is grasping at straws, trying to find a line to hold like his life depends on it. ... well, is kind of true. Must be tough to sell yourself as an Xbox pundit, expert, insider, and leaker while being consistently wrong.

if Xbox goes away his job will be cooked

 

[apocaliptic]

Europeans are broke. They buy 2-3 games a year and that's it. Next year it will be even worse.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Jez is grasping at straws, trying to find a line to hold like his life depends on it. ... well, is kind of true. Must be tough to sell yourself as an Xbox pundit, expert, insider, and leaker while being consistently wrong.

if Xbox goes away his job will be cooked

I mean it's such a bullshit narrative.

Is he playing on his phone? Nothing mobile that Xbox has is better than the Portal. Is he talking about using his entitlement on PC? Because even then what games is he talking about?

So much of the industry has turned to straight up shilling and nobody really cares. It's so obvious people accept it as par for the course, but assume there must be some grain of truth to it.

I've seen guys like him and Colt hype up every upcoming Xbox game as if it were the next coming. Avowed looks super generic, but they're hyping it up to be a GOTY contender before it even releases. Like it's an original IP with no pedigree behind it, unless you're super into Obsidian games, which the vast majority of the market isn't.

But to your point, it'll be super interesting to see where these people go when the narrative completely crashes around them. I feel like Halo to PS5 is going to be a seminal moment in modern gaming since it'll even reach casual gamers' radar. In fact it might be the biggest sea change in gaming history. Microsoft has been in the console industry longer than Sega (18 years) and Atari (21 years) were.

Microsoft has made it nearly 24 years.

 

[Hardensoul]

I had this attitude at first but I'm glad I got bored and decided to just play Remake. It's not that bad honestly and it doesn't feel any different than the GOW 2018 ending or the mass effect game ending. Those games still had more story to tell and didn't finish the overall main story but they still gave a satisfying ending in each title.

But GOW 2018 is a new game not a remake. There was too much changes to the overall game/gameplay. Then to have the game exclusively on one platform and the next on another gen platform. When is the next one being release? On the next gen platform? How many years later?

Sorry, I’m not getting into that kinda game commitment. I don’t even have a PS5 and at this point I may never get one, with Switch 2 around the corner. I’ll likely stick with my current PC/Switch. MS/Sony already bringing their games to PC so there’s really less of a reason to own multiple consoles!