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Fall 2010 Anime Thread: Reboots, Retreads, and Rediscovery
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flintstryker
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yea until that happenedGeneijin said:
Infinite Justice
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flintstryker said:
you mean the ending (or lack of it) or sai disappearing or the match where hikaru lost by a small amount?
zoku88 said:
That's how flawfuls normally rolls :lol
flintstryker
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Infinite Justice said:
Sai disappearing
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Shouta said:
Being fair the arc was about shit brewing in the Demon world so a human would have been somewhat out of place.
Plus he's basically the strongest human and decided to take his education seriously (maybe his sister had a part in that as well :lol ).
Rflagg said:
With just around 3 episodes each it's hard for me to really say with any certainty what is "good" and there's nothing I'd call "excellent" or "must see" this season, that said there are a few shows that I think are currently watchable with the potential to be good.
For the shows that I think will be an all ages kinda thing that are watchable now, in other words they're not terrible but not great, I think Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai(fucking A I hate even cutting and pasting that shit), Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru, Shinryaku! Ika Musume and MM! have started off passable and have kept that passable standard for a few episodes each right now so presumably, if you like the first episode of one of those shows you'll probably like the whole season unless they just totally lose focus somewhere down the line.
Now I can't account for taste. Shinryaku! Ika Musume (Comedy), the Squid Girl show, is clearly a kids show, it will never ever be a great show, it's something to just turn your brain off to and get a few chuckles or so from, like K-on(admit it, it's not a great show). Like K-on I like this show and recommend it to anyone just looking for something silly to waste some time with but don't expect greatness or any kind of serious thought provoking storylines or anything.
Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai (Drama/Comedy)is that show with the geeky Otaku sister and her brother that isn't about incest, at least not yet and not this season for sure. It's surprisingly well made and has had consistent production values but the subject matter is clearly not for everyone, I'm not a huge fan of it but I have to admit that it does everything right with the story it has.
Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru (Comedy) is with the girls working at a really pathetic maid cafe, so far it's only been watchable but it's never been sucky, I think this has potential to be really funny like Natsu no Atashi but even then I don't think it will ever be great, again like Natsu no Arashi. People who hate the main girl's voice are just, well, wrong.
MM! (Comedy/Fanservice) is the show about the high school masochist who joins a club to overcome his masochism and in the meantime has to help other people with their problems. It's alright, it'll never be good, it's pretty stupid but I guess it'd be a riot if you liked lolis and others beating a guy and him getting satisfaction by it.
Now Kuragehime (Drama/Comedy) has only had one episode, that's why I didn't list it above, it was watchable as well but the first episode was basically the setup, it may or may not end up funny but I think it has the potential to be good so I'll give it some more episodes. I'd like to say what it's about but I dunno, ugly college girls living in a dorm I guess, oh and a cross dressing man may move in, or not, who knows?
My weakest pick is probably Index II (Shonen Action/Fanservice), I want this to be good and it'll probably have some good episodes here and there but so far the first two episodes have been pretty crappy. The first season was not great all around either, it makes it really hard to recommend, since I've read some of the novels I do have an interest in seeing some things animated but there's a lot of useless crap inbetween those parts, objectively I'm going to say it's slightly below watchable and probably only worthwhile to fans of the books.
The World God only Knows, Star Driver, Panty and Stocking, Samurai Girls, To Love Ru, Otome Youkai Zakuro and Fortune Arterial all in my opinion are not watchable and have been consistently shitty and I have little hope for any of them improving.
I have not seen Bakuman so can't comment on that.
flintstryker said:also I was so pissed at the ending that i read the manga (which is incidentally the first manga i ever finish) for closure only to get an even worst endingSai disappearing
The manga ending was terrible and made me yearn for the crappy anime ending.
Although if they didn't continue past the anime ending, we wouldn't have gotten mature Hikaru pwning everyone.
Infinite Justice
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Episode 58 has the best prep/attack EVAR in Yu Yu Hakusho imo especially when we learn of the true reason.
firehawk12
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Geneijin said:
I did. The first half of the episode was some kind of weird non-sequitor. I think they've covered every cliche now though, so I hesitate to guess at what happens next.
They really need to do a nice boat ending!
Scrubbed through Fortune Arterial because I couldn't really stand to watch it... vampires are blah and the whole emotional payoff moment at the end seemed rather unearned. But I guess they just have to rely on the stereotypes and tropes to get their point across in what I presume will be a 12/13 episode series.
After reading about 25 pages worths of posts and coming to the conclusion the thread is not going to give me what I want unless I flat out ask and hope for the best. I am going to ask for a couple really specific recommendations, so please forgive give/warn me if that is frowned upon.
1. I would really like to see another Racing anime with the release of GT5 hopefully happening soon. The only racing anime I have watched is Initial D, which I really enjoyed.
2. I would like to see another anime with the focus being on a music group or musician. I have seen most of K-on which I liked ok, but I would prefer more of a focus on the music and Beck Mongolian Chop Squad which I really enjoyed.
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1. I would really like to see another Racing anime with the release of GT5 hopefully happening soon. The only racing anime I have watched is Initial D, which I really enjoyed.
2. I would like to see another anime with the focus being on a music group or musician. I have seen most of K-on which I liked ok, but I would prefer more of a focus on the music and Beck Mongolian Chop Squad which I really enjoyed.
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Rflagg said:After reading about 25 pages worths of posts and coming to the conclusion the thread is not going to give me what I want unless I flat out ask and hope for the best. I am going to ask for a couple really specific recommendations, so please forgive give/warn me if that is frowned upon.
1. I would really like to see another Racing anime with the release of GT5 hopefully happening soon. The only racing anime I have watched is Initial D, which I really enjoyed.
2. I would like to see another anime with the focus being on a music group or musician. I have seen most of K-on which I liked ok, but I would prefer more of a focus on the music and Beck Mongolian Chop Squad which I really enjoyed.
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The only other car racing anime I know is Capeta and from what I've seen of it it's pretty good. If you don't mind bike racing then Overdrive is great and the two Nasu movies are pretty decent as well.
For music Nodame Cantabile is a must watch. It's about a pianist girl and a boy who wants to be a conductor. NANA is also good, I'm watching it right now. Piano no Mori and Nitaboh are great movies about music. Nitaboh is about a historical story about an influential blind shamisen player and Piano no Mori is about a talented kid who learnt how to play by playing an abandoned piano in a forest.
oh yeah, i remember you recommending Overdrive. Will watch it as soon as i get the chance now that i finished Seitokai Yakuindomo.flawfuls said:
and about that Anime, I would give it 6 out of 10. The jokes sopmetimes would feel out of place and forced and the toilet jokes weren't as funny as Mitsodomoe even though it was more abondant (and more vulgar and explicit) The best charcters were the teacher and the journalist but neither ot enough time to be included in the Ep. Finished at 13 Ep. and it felt that it suited that length. The Ending song video was sr=tylish as hell and the soundtrack was decent. But thin plot and weak jokes made it a bit underwhelming.
Hellsing321
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Well if you like your racing balls to wall crazy you can wait for the release of Redline with the rest of us.Rflagg said:After reading about 25 pages worths of posts and coming to the conclusion the thread is not going to give me what I want unless I flat out ask and hope for the best. I am going to ask for a couple really specific recommendations, so please forgive give/warn me if that is frowned upon.
1. I would really like to see another Racing anime with the release of GT5 hopefully happening soon. The only racing anime I have watched is Initial D, which I really enjoyed.
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Excellence, I will check them out thanks a lotflawfuls said:
I will try this as well thanksHellsing321 said:
2nd Edit: Anime gaf is awesome thanks everyone I wasn't expected this quick of replies
I will Try GPX out as well I really just looking to try to broaden my anime horizons a bit so I am pretty willing to try any series I have not seen yetWhen You said bike I was thinking motorbike not that it will make a difference looks like a fun watch.
Shouta
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Rflagg said:After reading about 25 pages worths of posts and coming to the conclusion the thread is not going to give me what I want unless I flat out ask and hope for the best. I am going to ask for a couple really specific recommendations, so please forgive give/warn me if that is frowned upon.
1. I would really like to see another Racing anime with the release of GT5 hopefully happening soon. The only racing anime I have watched is Initial D, which I really enjoyed.
2. I would like to see another anime with the focus being on a music group or musician. I have seen most of K-on which I liked ok, but I would prefer more of a focus on the music and Beck Mongolian Chop Squad which I really enjoyed.
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You can watch Future GPX Cyber Formula for racing but it's an older series and it's not "realistic" as other series. It does have a really good story to go along with its racing though and its one of my favorite series ever.
Hellsing321
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Latest episode of SoreMachi was pretty meh. Looks like this could be another Shaft show I drop on the 4th episode.
Rflagg said:
Racing:
Capeta cart racing prodigy, working toward racing in f1
Wangan Midnight high speed freeway racing. devil z, black bird 'n' whatnots.
and i think that's it. i'm really straining to remember any other animes
i know of several more in comic form, most of which are not translated.
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hmm... i don't even know of any motorbike animes/comics. only one i know of is the fake one in bakuman.
i'd be interested in watching/reading some
Hellsing321
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That why I'm giving it one more episode. If the tomboy doesn't deliver I'm out.mAcOdIn said:
A Black Falcon
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icecream said:
That's probably because it usually does work that way. Not always, I agree, but the vast majority of the time stuff follows the usual predictable patterns.
Not often enough.
I agree, I imagine though where we might differ would be on the specifics of which shows would qualify for that.
The problem is though, in this case I just don't see OreImo being THAT different. Slightly different, perhaps, but not nearly as significantly as you do I think.
It would depend on the details of the show in question, I think.
But I don't think it's unfounded, based on the evidence...
Well, it's more following the shounen "romance" theme of there almost never being any actual progress, I think. You know, like Love Hina or something, for every step forward in Naru and Keitaro's relationship there would immediately be one or two steps back, resetting things back to where they started (until near the end).
If it were trying to be a romance show, though, I'd agree with you; that is indeed the cliched path they'd take, not the one OreImo actually does. But that's because it's not trying to do romance, but (so far at least, not including whatever's in vol. 7) jokes centering around how (as you say) of course everyone watching/reading expects there to be incest, but it hasn't happened yet.
Basically I think you're definitely exaggerating the uniqueness of the show's setup, even if I do agree that it's not 100% standard for the genre. It's not that far away either, really.
Oh I agree, that definitely is an intentionally vague statement, to lead the audience to think that it's going to be incest, but then probably to pull back at the end and say "no not really, it's actually because of (insert reason X here)." We'll see if that's what actually happens, though. That the spoilers said stuff about how it was going to change may or may not actually be relevant, such things aren't always right I know, or can be designed to deceive.
Hah, sure, sure...
It's almost always true, though.
I think you're overly hopeful, but it'd be nice if you were right. I definitely wish that more female anime characters would be more than stereotyped love interests...
Anime has given me a LOT of reasons to be pessimistic about its views on women. Of course though, it's a reflection of Japanese culture above anything, and Japan (and China, and South Korea) are of course much more sexist than any Western nation today. Considering how many issues we have, it's not at all surprising that the situation in anime is worse.
Of course you are right that not ALL anime is entirely like that though, I am something of a pessimist in general, and as a liberal the sexism in anime really bothers me... but yeah, it is true that it's not always like that, and certainly there are many degrees of it and some shows and characters come off much better than others. True.
A Black Falcon
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Branduil said:
True. I just meant that conservatives are probably less likely to be bothered by sexism. The kinds of things you say there, though, yeah, that stuff could bother anybody.
mAcOdIn said:
What, so I should just look at the sexism and not care? I guess many people can do that, but I can't really a lot of the time... I mean I have to be able to to some degree or I probably wouldn't be able to enjoy anime much at all, but yes, there definitely is a lot of sexism in anime that bothers me.
I haven't watched Angel though (or Buffy), so I can't say much about your comparison there.
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Oh look, a Gurren Lagann reference in Oh! Edo Rocket. Awesome.
On the home stretch. After the craziness that happened in the last few episodes, I expect a very satisfying finale.
On the home stretch. After the craziness that happened in the last few episodes, I expect a very satisfying finale.
I never said that, I just find the lengths it annoys you amusing. I know, I'm an ass. It's just, there's so many things wrong with anime, the aforementioned sexism, bad or completely absent parenting, violence between children, violence between children and adults, I'll just throw sex in there as is as there's too many sub categories of it being used wrongly for me to list, the outright disturbing portrayal of dissociation(I don't really know how to word this) between individuals and what goes on around them from strangers all the way up to people who should be expected to be inconvenienced by a citizen like say a policeman and a host of other odd or outright harmful concepts that are getting drilled into viewer's skulls by anime I was wondering why it was sexism specifically that you'll go into length about. I never said I disagree with you and you don't have to answer if it's personal which is why I initially asked in the form of a joke.A Black Falcon said:
Not seeing Angel is inexcusable, Buffy jumps the shark fairly soon in it's life but Angel was awesome, you should rectify that and watch all 5 seasons then join me in hating the WB for the way they killed it.A Black Falcon said:
Shouta
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A Black Falcon said:
Thing is, that you look too hard at the sexism, there's no off switch. There are times where you'd be on your mark with calling it out, but there other times it just comes across as annoying rather than insightful or interesting. Yes, we know there's sexism in anime, there are in fact a lot of problems in anime but it's also an entertainment avenue with a very male heavy audience. It'll obviously be skewed just like how products that are aimed at women will be. We really don't need it to be mentioned all the time, just when it's properly relevant.
A Black Falcon
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mAcOdIn said:
How about endings? I mean, how American things often have happy endings, while foreign things often don't. I like happy endings better, myself.
As for violence though, just being American I guess, and caring more about sexuality/gender issues than violence?
Seriously though, stories like these couldn't exist without violence, but could without sexism I think.What exactly do you mean by this? I'm not entirely sure...
As for some of the other stuff you mention, of course it's also true that Japan has a very heavy focus on young children as lead characters in both anime/manga and videogames. Compared to average Western main characters it is definitely different, and a bit harder to believe, but aside from the unbelievability of things like 10 year olds doing the kind of things Pokemon (to use one obvious example) main characters do, the thing that really does bother me about that is, well, the sexuality-related part -- the over-sexualization of very young, often prepubescent, girls (and sometimes boys). This has happened (probably to a lesser degree) in American culture too, and it's no better here than there. I think it's right to find that somewhat disturbing, even just in something definitely not real like anime. But apart from that I mostly find the very young character age thing just silly and unrealistic, but not awful or something. Japanese media thinks that your teenage years are your best time, obviously. Eh, whatever, not the worst of their stereotypes.
But anyway, I'm not just complaining about sexism. Recall that this discussion comes from debate over OreImo, and while sexism is a big part of my complaint (specifically about how female anime characters are stereotyped so strongly and get pidgeonholed into certain roles so often), that wasn't all of it; sexism makes Japan's thing for incest worse, but isn't the cause, I think.
As for violence though, yeah, you have a good point -- somehow overall that just doesn't bother me as much. Maybe it is that I'm American, or that it's action stories so I expect conflict, I don't know.
Obviously though, overall I do like anime anyway. I do watch it regularly, after all.
And there are things other than sexism I go on at length about, I'm sure, considering that.There are a lot of things I haven't seen, and those happened to be some of them... I don't know, just somehow never seemed that interesting when they were on. I wasn't a big vampire fan, I'd rather have watched Star Trek or something.
Shouta said:
I don't think that ignoring problems makes them better. Sure, sometimes I won't say anything, no need to complain about everything, but sometimes I will say what I think because I do think it's important.
Of course you're right that the Japanese male audience focus explains almost all of it, though.
Oh, and remember that the issue came up this time not just randomly, but because of OreImo. Whatever you think of the show, considering the controversy it did raise (not just from me), I think that bringing up the sexism aspect of it is reasonable.
Branduil said:
That's one of the things I like about anime. Beautiful females with breasts of all types, with many being in the unrealistically large typology.
Sure there might be a bit of an excess! But as a person that simply loves the form factor of the female body, I can't complain, as long as proportions are kept in the enticing realm.
Although I can close one eye on some completely unreal things (Cattleya) simply because it is amusing in its own right.
A Black Falcon
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Oh, want something else that really bothers me? Historical inaccuracies. As a history major I notice them, and it can be really annoying, particularly when you think about how rarely anime actually has any degree of historical accuracy... it's like, "no, you're completely wrong almost all of the time!" :lol
A Black Falcon said:
For me, it's languages. Whenever a film or series decides to use multiple languages to be more authentic, nothing annoys me more than when it's... not authentic. What's the point of having characters actually speak different languages when it's either wrong or sounds incomprehensible? It doesn't make the scene more interesting, it makes it worse.
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