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And I disagree that an M rating alone is a meaningful way to achieve that. Also change things too much and it's no longer FF.
Is not about the M rated per se. And FF haven't been "FF" for a long ass time .
And I disagree that an M rating alone is a meaningful way to achieve that. Also change things too much and it's no longer FF.
Then what's it about? The series has handled dark themes and serious matters in the past so that can't be it.Is not about the M rated per se. And FF haven't been "FF" for a long ass time .
Then what's it about? The series has handled dark themes and serious matters in the past so that can't be it.
I'm trying to figure out how an M rating suggests all of that. The LOTR trilogy managed to tell a great story without an R rating.Is about their intentions to make a mature narrative. Hopefully this translates in less "anime" cliches, Better dialog, better character arcs, better story and storytelling overall.
WhatFF under Enix has been pretty bad. Let go of nostalgia.
Because you keep hanging up in the M related. The rating is irrelevant. They wrote the story, then the ESRB group determined the rating. Is not the other way around.I'm trying to figure out how an M rating suggests all of that. The LOTR trilogy managed to tell a great story without an R rating.
Yes. Sorry for breaking that rose-tint bubble.What
The original game was released December 18,1987. Their fan base has grown up I’m glad they finally realized it.Sure, and it's interesting that they've pushed things this far.
However I'm a believer in long-running franchises (especially mainline ones like this one) holding some kind of a consistent range for the age group the series has been known for even as things change and evolve, and "M-rated" doesn't feel right to me for Final Fantasy. (Albeit what's described seems pretty light for M-rated territory, and I have a feeling they will appeal before release.) Stranger of Paradise went too far in that direction and that was one of many things that turned me off of that game, but it was a side-game so whatever. (Sort of like how Andor added "shit" lines and almost had the first "fuck" in Star Wars, but it's deep-canon rather than mainline; the series still doesn't and probably shouldn't have a Rated R-type product, even though on the flipside it has lots of Rated G content for little kids.) This is a numbered FF, and IMO those work best as games made for general audiences. I'm not at all opposed to an M-rated RPG (blowjobs and bloodshed in games could be a bulletpoint in a game by another name), but Final Fantasy feels like it should strive for a certain standard wherever they take the concept.
I guess we'll see if this is the new way of things whenever XVII shows up...
This series deserves to move into mature territory. As a fan since the original, I can’t agree with you or anything you said in the slightest.Sure, and it's interesting that they've pushed things this far.
However I'm a believer in long-running franchises (especially mainline ones like this one) holding some kind of a consistent range for the age group the series has been known for even as things change and evolve, and "M-rated" doesn't feel right to me for Final Fantasy. (Albeit what's described seems pretty light for M-rated territory, and I have a feeling they will appeal before release.) Stranger of Paradise went too far in that direction and that was one of many things that turned me off of that game, but it was a side-game so whatever. (Sort of like how Andor added "shit" lines and almost had the first "fuck" in Star Wars, but it's deep-canon rather than mainline; the series still doesn't and probably shouldn't have a Rated R-type product, even though on the flipside it has lots of Rated G content for little kids.) This is a numbered FF, and IMO those work best as games made for general audiences. I'm not at all opposed to an M-rated RPG (blowjobs and bloodshed in games could be a bulletpoint in a game by another name), but Final Fantasy feels like it should strive for a certain standard wherever they take the concept.
I guess we'll see if this is the new way of things whenever XVII shows up...
You should try the older final fantasy game (<6)
Felt like wrpg game,
Isn't this entirely dependent on which Final Fantasy games someone played?It's a franchise that's generally lighthearted in tone.
Really wish they would bring War of the Lions version over to Switch and PS5.Not to forget that Delita gets himself murdered (at least attempted) in the end by his misgiving wife because of his constant manipulations.
But no sir, this is random western stuff that has never existed in Final Fantasy. How dare you.![]()
Tits and blood, oh no! Won't someone PLEASE think of the purity?
Really wish they would bring War of the Lions version over to Switch and PS5.
No one is salty. But this isn't GTA. It's a franchise that's generally lighthearted in tone. So this change in direction isn't well regarded.
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It's not like the general audience has a PS5 right nowSure, and it's interesting that they've pushed things this far.
However I'm a believer in long-running franchises (especially mainline ones like this one) holding some kind of a consistent range for the age group the series has been known for even as things change and evolve, and "M-rated" doesn't feel right to me for Final Fantasy. (Albeit what's described seems pretty light for M-rated territory, and I have a feeling they will appeal before release.) Stranger of Paradise went too far in that direction and that was one of many things that turned me off of that game, but it was a side-game so whatever. (Sort of like how Andor added "shit" lines and almost had the first "fuck" in Star Wars, but it's deep-canon rather than mainline; the series still doesn't and probably shouldn't have a Rated R-type product, even though on the flipside it has lots of Rated G content for little kids.) This is a numbered FF, and IMO those work best as games made for general audiences. I'm not at all opposed to an M-rated RPG (blowjobs and bloodshed in games could be a bulletpoint in a game by another name), but Final Fantasy feels like it should strive for a certain standard wherever they take the concept.
I guess we'll see if this is the new way of things whenever XVII shows up...
That because there is a huge double standard against Japanese games when comes having any type of nudity and sex in games. Remember how Dragon's Crown got lot of shit over its character designs from western media, meanwhile TLOU2 had full on sex and nudity but it considered "brave".
Heck when Catherine came out, there are people who thought it was "porn" game even tho it had barely any nudity or sex.
Here is another example: Strange Journey Redux cover got censored because is character pointing gun.
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But in western games thats no problem ...
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I LOVED FFVIIR but scenes like this becomes weird without any blood.
It's not like the general audience has a PS5 right now
Shit, not even Dragon Quest is sticking to tradition with XII. They gonna have fucking in that too
The overworld music haunts me in my dreams after playing 120 hours of that game. I thankfully found out in the last 3rd you could change it to classic music which helped until i got tired of that one tooI rather shot myself than play another DQ with that same old ( pure garbage ) mid OST.
DQ needs an update ASAP
yeah, the S version with DQ8 overworld music is way better, but the rest of the OST isnt that great though. Just look at Persona 5 and Xeno 2 , same year, amazing OST.The overworld music haunts me in my dreams after playing 120 hours of that game. I thankfully found out in the last 3rd you could change it to classic music which helped until i got tired of that one too
They were trying so hard to make a "mature" and edgy Final Fantasy that they got the rating they were aiming for.
But the end result is not Final Fantasy.
Did the Intergrade edition add blood to the main game as well?Well that has a lot to do with how Sega censors their selves in the west on certain things. Like the Yakuza 3 remaster cover not having Kiryu smoke....
Its odd to then point out TLOU2 or RDR2 as....SEGA THEMSELVES is choosing to do that, what does those other games have to do with Sega's choice?
That isn't a "double standard against Japanese games" that is merely Sega's choice vs Rockstar, Sony etc.
So will it have nudity, sex? Who knows, that has more to do with if Square is ok with that then if its Japanese or something, lots of those...um games exist on Steam with no issue lol So I don't get this "double standard against Japanese games" as where the fuck is any of that shit when it comes to those sex games? lol
Are you sure that isn't simply the publisher making a choice to change that in the west or?
Agreed, but to be fair that is something the DLC thing adds
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So maybe they changed their minds.
I mean they are not shy about this in FFXVI so I wouldn't be worried. An M Rating is more then welcome.
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Shit, not even Dragon Quest is sticking to tradition with XII. They gonna have fucking in that too
DQ will have even better, aka the classic puff-puff.
We really need infos about this tho. Been replaying S version, what an underrated masterpiece this game is.
Did the Intergrade edition add blood to the main game as well?
I recently did my hard palythrought on it and there was no blood.Did the Intergrade edition add blood to the main game as well?
I bet on PC she will and some.I really like ff7 remake and will day one XVI with this news. Hope tifa can sit on my face in this game.
I’m just hoping it’s as good as 6 or tactics which in my opinion are the best in the series. 7 is good but massively overrated.Final Fantasy XVI about to be the best FF of all time excluding VII of course![]()
Yoshi-P fans are starting to really annoy me.Finally, the first M-rated mainline entry.
I remember expecting FF Versus XIII / FFXV to be the first one back then, but that never came to be with the revisions.
Good to see that Square Enix, or at least Naoki Yoshi & Hiroshi Takai acknowledge their adult FF fans, rather than just appealing to the broader audience again.
Yoshi-P fan? What the hell are you even talking about?Yoshi-P fans are starting to really annoy me.
Yoshi-P said that he made XVI an action game because it seems more popular. Is that not “appealing to the broader audience”? I remember his interview quip about Horizon and God of War also sounding like he aimed to appeal to a broader audience, though I can’t be sure about that.
FF12 is not really that, it only lacks the blood effects if you ask me.Lighthearted in tone, as in language and overall presentation (gore, sex etc), not content.
Fair enough, I did generalize. However, my point about Yoshi-P still stands; he did say he made the game have action combat because it’s more popular (not that I mind, as I love both turn-based and real-time combat).Yoshi-P fan? What the hell are you even talking about?
I grew up playing Final Fantasy games since the SNES & PS1 era. My favorite ones aren't even FFXIV related.
I like what I've seen so far and I'm excited about it as a life-long FF fan. You need to relax with the generalization because people aren't agreeing with you.
I loved FFXI up until they released Abyssea and made it brain dead easy. The original grind of FFXI up until zilart and it’s play style was so unique. Loved swapping in different pieces of gear on macro to accompany my aegis shield bash.If FF16 turns out to be the FF: BERSERK Edition I crave then I'm all in. But I imagine it will still be pretty tame.
By far the best Final Fantasy game to date is still FF9. Not a single one has come close.
And while FFXIV makes for a fun diversion in it's storytelling which is slowly getting worse, FF11 is still the better MMO overall.
I think my favorite SE game they've put out is still Dragon Quest XI S.
I have no issue with that personally. I also love turn-based and real-time combat systems, particularly when they're well-designed and engaging.However, my point about Yoshi-P still stands; he did say he made the game have action combat because it’s more popular (not that I mind, as I love both turn-based and real-time combat).