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Get your SSDs ready, PS4 Pro supports SATA3
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Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I'll let you know what I find with my Firecuda.
Indeed. I feel like the OP needs a chart with prices and amounts of cache and flash in the SSHDs.
Laptop HDD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C4W2P18/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Barracuda HDD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LX13P71/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Laptop SSHD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B99JUBQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Firacuda SSHD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWRTRZU/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Essentially the Baracuda/Firecuda are newer version of the predecessors and now go up to 2TB whereas before the max was 1. The SSHDs have 8GB of flash with 64MB of cache, while the standard HDD have 128MB of cache (and no flash, before anyone asks).
Price is around $90-110 for the 2TB FIrecuda when in stock, 80-90 for the 1TB, and substract $20-30 for the non SSHD versions.
Crazymoogle
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Er...that's not the Firecuda. It's a Seagate SSHD though, and maybe (?) specs are the same, but it's not the Firecuda 1TB
GinoFelino
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So am I an idiot bottlenecking my PS4P if I use the 2TB standard HD that I used in my OG PS4?
How does the standard PS4 1TB drive fare anyway (assuming they'll use the same one as OG PS4)?
How does the standard PS4 1TB drive fare anyway (assuming they'll use the same one as OG PS4)?
If the specs of the new 1TB are the same as the old 500GB (other than size, a 5400rpm 8mb cache hard drive) then you will not cause any issues with a 2TB with the same specs. However you won't see the gains that an SSHD/SSD would bring.
It is basically the same thing. FireCuda is the latest version of that drive, the only new thing for the FireCuda is that you can fit up to 2TB of space in the PS4 versus 1TB for that version discussed in the article.
GinoFelino
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Will those gains be more significant on PS4 Pro than they were on OG PS4?
(SSHD's gains on SATA3, I understand SSD would be way faster than not having one at all)
Crazymoogle
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Yeah, though I think Seagate was claiming a better algorithm on the NAND cache. I guess we will see.
On SATA2 (PS4) SSHDs provide a significant improvement in load times, on SATA3 (Pro) they could even more so. Same with SSDs though I have never tried one in there. The fact that things improve on the PS4 means the hard drive was the bottleneck, not the SATA port. We will have to wait and see if the SATA2 port on the PS4 became the bottleneck for SSHD/SSD or not and thus the SATA 3 really kicks it up another notch.
We don't know yet, as we don't know what the hardware pipeline is exactly for the Pro. I think primarily what people are doing in this thread is:
Well, if I am going to pay ~$100 to upgrade to a 2TB HDD, I might as well pay an extra $5 (with the NewEgg deal) to get a SSHD. Even without the NewEgg deal it's only $15 extra on Amazon to upgrade to the SSHD, and we know you will see performance improvements with that. Only question is how much of an improvement.
Hopefully, yes.
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Yeah I'm thinking no matter what hard drive you use, you will see a benefit just from being on Pro. Even without changing the stock hard drive. It should be faster than base PS4.
Jumping to SATA III should mean gains for a lot of stuff (especially since Sony themselves publicly confirmed the upgrade)
GinoFelino
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Thanks, guys! Looking forward to the DF tests (and yours) to see which one I should get.
Informally, at minimum I would go SSHD over HDD. The price difference is tangible, 20-30, but for the same price faster is better for me. And 1TB still holds a ton of games.
Crazymoogle
Member
Yes. Max drive height allowed is not known though.
eternalcircle
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Is this firecuda SSHD drive worth getting if I already have a 2tb drive? This is the one I have.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FRHTSK4/?tag=neogaf0e-20
It has 5400rpm, I believe. I'm willing to get a firecuda one if the performance is better though.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FRHTSK4/?tag=neogaf0e-20
It has 5400rpm, I believe. I'm willing to get a firecuda one if the performance is better though.
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It will make a difference, but I personally wouldn't upgrade. The difference in time is usually 0-10 seconds improvement on base PS4, so it would be worth it if you also were already planning to get more space. But you already have the space.
We'll see, maybe unlike on Base PS4, on Pro the SSHD and 7400 RPM could be a big jump, but until we see, I wouldn't give up more money if I already had a 2TB hard drive. You should already see improvement over base PS4 just from the fact Pro can handle SATA III speeds.
If you already have a 2TB then I don't think it's worth it, even though performance will be better. If it was my situation (upgrading from a 1TB or lower) then yeah, I'd say it's worth it going for a SSHD over a regular 2TB drive.
Another option once you get your Pro is to wipe your existing 2TB, sell it on eBay and then get the SSHD if you really, really want one.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Newegg. You get 15 dollars off if you use Android. It is painless to set up.
I had an older model SSHD in my standard PS4 and it was a very noticeable speed improvement from the stock drive. Worst case scenario it's the same speed as that with more space but most likely it'll be faster.
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Well why not? If you want an extra TB of space, why shouldn't you buy one? It's not like people are trying to just buy a different 1TB hard drive and praying it will be faster. They are buying a 2TB hard drive and just hoping it is faster as a bonus like it works on base PS4.
He probably mainly means the people who have made the bigger investment and bought a full SSD.
These hybrid drives are safe choices and reasonable upgrades for both speed and storage.
You should be able to do this. When the PS4 launched, I bought an SSHD ahead of time and swapped out the stock HDD with my replacement before I even plugged it in and turned it on, so I don't see why it wouldn't also work just as well this time.
Saberus
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Well, with a name like Firecuda, its bound to be fast.
I'm still waiting for mine...lol
It turned up today along with a separate box with two Premium HDMI cables.
I ordered those one of my older cables came free with something which means it wasn't of the best quality and it's getting a bit wobbly after years of use. The second one is identical and for the PS4 Pro as I know the one you get for free will be too short for my needs, the ones I bought are both 5 meters in length which is a bit too generous they were the same price as the 3 meter cables.
What the hell is it with Amazon and sending cables in boxes that are easily big enough to contain my PS4 Pro? Just to annoy me? I've had this with cables I've bought from them before where they turn up in a box which over a meter in length, I open it and bubble wrap explodes out of it and it's fucking 3 cm long usb cable, or something.
LoveAndBeer
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Was just able to order the 2TB Firecuda on Amazon (US) for a Nov 4 estimated delivery for anyone who missed it on NewEgg.
Your average laptop HDD gains nothing, from SATA III.
You got a link I still have never seen it on amazon.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
OG PS4 wasn't even completely utilizing the SATA II though, it was transferring all the data through USB (2.0 IIRC), so if they just utilize the SATA data bus, we should see an improvement regardless.
That's a big if.
StrongBlackVine
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Why upgrade to SATA III if they are not going to let us take advantage of it?
The older SATA 2 parts not as available anymore, different supplier or vendor, mobo config slightly different, who knows.
It's like asking why they didn't really use SATA 2 originally.
I'm really hoping they do though. One more week.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Given that the Pro is being marketed as an enthusiast product, it'd be a bit of a slap in the face if it couldn't take some advantage of SSD
DJ Lushious
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Sure, but this is Sony we're talking about. They've done sillier things for less reasons. Like the PS VR Processing Unit not being able to pass along an HDMI 2.0a signal. :-|
Yup. Who knows what they do, or why.
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It seems to go in and out of stock, but NewEgg still has it
Link? I looked and it seemed out @ Newegg, too.
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Ok never mind, it's gone there too
Seems the Pro has driven a sudden surge in purchases for that model as it is pretty much the only reasonably priced storage upgrade for Pro