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[Hardware Unboxed] Bribes & Manipulation: LG Wants to Control Our Editorial Direction
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Didn't know that Tom Sellecks younger Brother works for Hardware Unboxed.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Hardware Unboxed are such a great fucking channel.
In the comments LG have reached out and promised to backpedal and other review sites are saying they were also propositioned in this way.
Big tech will always try this, but most reviewers won’t have the backbone or moral compass to say ‘fuck off’.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yeah it's one of the best channels out there, and they are big enough to not sell their souls to the devil! Linus is just whoring for whomever pays more.
Armorian
Banned
I have third monitor made by them but what they did was shitty as fuck. Why even do something like that when their products are usually good\great?
digital_ghost
Gold Member
LG OLED TV Owners:
Azurro
Banned
To be fair though, Linus is always forthcoming with who is sponsoring him and doesn't let sponsors dictate his content.
Trogdor1123
Member
I have an actual good story about lg support. I bought an lg fridge 6-7 years ago just the other day the compressor failed. Well, that's a $500 touch plus labor. Lg has a program called "one cost" or something for $249 bucks and they really recommended it to me. Gave me another year of warranty too. Saved me a ton of money.
So, support is good at least.
So, support is good at least.
GHG
Gold Member
LG OLED TV Owners:
Hardware Unboxed have problems with LG and Nvidia.
Meanwhile me as an LG and Nvidia customer:
digital_ghost
Gold Member
MasterCornholio
Member
U want free TV?
U give me goodest review.
Basically.
U give me goodest review.
Basically.
GHG
Gold Member
digital_ghost
Gold Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
To be fair, if any product reviewers want no pressure from the company giving them free product early to review, then don't take it.
Wait till the product comes to market and buy it yourself and review it how you want.
Wait till the product comes to market and buy it yourself and review it how you want.
Kuranghi
Member
This is similar to Samsungs QLED 4K flagship models never getting a score under 4/5, mostly 4.5+ on Whathifi and its ilk.
You read the actual review text and its full of issues and clever wording to diminish problems vs OLED - ie "The blacks are basically as good as an OLED now"... repeated for the 4th year in a row lol and its bollocks ofc since its more about per pixel dimming than what the black level is on an ANSI checkerboard test pattern - meanwhile the website is plastered with Samsung ads
Sonys get reviewed and have barely any downsides in the whole review and they give it 3.5-4/5 No bias detected. It might seem like "who cares about Which? and whathifi", but when I was working it was a pita since thats where tons of middle age men get their information. If they had a Which? magazine in their hands I just pointed them to the model they asked about (70% of the time an LG, 30% Samsung) and told them its amazing to get them out of the shop as quickly as possible before my boss visited and tried to get me to convert the sale.
Which was an absolute waste of time, they literally wouldn't buy a TV that wasn't listed in the magazine. The best was they would say "Its Sony really expensive though" after I had already showed them a Sony model that beat the Samsung in 9 out of the 10 areas (and the 1/10 only matters to nerds like me ha) that applied to them AND was like £500 cheaper. Even after literal side-by-side comparisons where it smashed the competition I'd get:
"Well if its that much cheaper it can't be as good surely"
You read the actual review text and its full of issues and clever wording to diminish problems vs OLED - ie "The blacks are basically as good as an OLED now"... repeated for the 4th year in a row lol and its bollocks ofc since its more about per pixel dimming than what the black level is on an ANSI checkerboard test pattern - meanwhile the website is plastered with Samsung ads
Sonys get reviewed and have barely any downsides in the whole review and they give it 3.5-4/5
No bias detected. It might seem like "who cares about Which? and whathifi", but when I was working it was a pita since thats where tons of middle age men get their information. If they had a Which? magazine in their hands I just pointed them to the model they asked about (70% of the time an LG, 30% Samsung) and told them its amazing to get them out of the shop as quickly as possible before my boss visited and tried to get me to convert the sale.Which was an absolute waste of time, they literally wouldn't buy a TV that wasn't listed in the magazine. The best was they would say "Its Sony really expensive though" after I had already showed them a Sony model that beat the Samsung in 9 out of the 10 areas (and the 1/10 only matters to nerds like me ha) that applied to them AND was like £500 cheaper. Even after literal side-by-side comparisons where it smashed the competition I'd get:
"Well if its that much cheaper it can't be as good surely"
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Don't care, would suck dick for OLED.
waxer
Member
I remember having opposite problem in 720 days. Ask specifically for tv I wanted based off forums etc by Sony and went through 3 staff trying to buy. Each time I say I want it they tried to push all sorts of crap my way. I even stated not interested I just want this TV and do they have one.This is similar to Samsungs QLED 4K flagship models never getting a score under 4/5, mostly 4.5+ on Whathifi and its ilk.
You read the actual review text and its full of issues and clever wording to diminish problems vs OLED - ie "The blacks are basically as good as an OLED now"... repeated for the 4th year in a row lol and its bollocks ofc since its more about per pixel dimming than what the black level is on an ANSI checkerboard test pattern - meanwhile the website is plastered with Samsung ads
Sonys get reviewed and have barely any downsides in the whole review and they give it 3.5-4/5
Which was an absolute waste of time, they literally wouldn't buy a TV that wasn't listed in the magazine. The best was they would say "Its Sony really expensive though" after I had already showed them a Sony model that beat the Samsung in 9 out of the 10 areas (and the 1/10 only matters to nerds like me ha) that applied to them AND was like £500 cheaper. Even after literal side-by-side comparisons where it smashed the competition I'd get:
"Well if its that much cheaper it can't be as good surely"
I had given up and was going to go somewhere else but another staff member noticed my annoyance and asked to help.
GHG
Gold Member
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Kuranghi
Member
Out of interest, what high end LCD have you used/experienced properly (ie not on a shop floor)?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
why do you care? It' a fucking company.
They can starve child workers and kill their pet rabbits for all I care.
End product is what matters and LG monitors and TVs are good.
And as a company practice? Still way better than Dell. The scum.
Phase
Member
Because I care about shitty practices. I buy mostly local to support my community. For most things there are alternatives. If there aren't, so be it.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I understand but it's a wasted effort.
Remember - the most important person for you... IS YOU. Make yourself happy. If You try to make the world happy... well, you know.
FloatingIslands
Member
Yeah, but the problem is that these guidelines weren't communicated in advance. LG gave them the product, then came up with the embargo (also without prior consent) and then they added those guidelines.
They took the time to review it and then the company asks to follow the guidelines.
Anyway, I think the same as you and the guy in the video also says they'll wait for the product to be available so they can buy it and be safe to upload the review.
GHG
Gold Member
There are high end LCD's?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I didn't watch the video, so if LG is trying to cram in policies retroactively after reviews are done, then I agree with the reviewer. Corporate big wigs cant cherry pick how they want. Guidelines up front or shut up.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Actually those are the most expensive on Earth, known as Crystal LED (CLED). And yes, superior to OLED on every level.
Now you can have a $1 million 16K Sony Crystal LED display in your home
The ultimate display?
And for more realistic ones, starting from $8,000:
Sony Electronics
electronics.sony.com
Or the older one that still priced at $60K:
Sony Electronics
electronics.sony.com
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GHG
Gold Member
Actually those are the most expensive on Earth, known as Crystal LED (CLED). And yes, superior to OLED on every level.
Now you can have a $1 million 16K Sony Crystal LED display in your home
The ultimate display?www.whathifi.com
And for more realistic ones, starting from $8,000:
Sony Electronics
Or the older one that still priced at $60K:
Sony Electronics
Think ill stick with OLED for the foreseeable future.
Imagine dropping house and car money on a TV.
mitchman
Gold Member
No he's not, promotional content is not a review and is marked as promotional content. This is not the same as a paid review. Watch his wan show clip about this very issue.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Bruh I'm not spending 60 grand on a tv are you out of your mind
PropellerEar
Member
My LG 77C9 gives me pop-ups out the wazoo.
Needing to acknowledge these pop-ups before they go away, is the most infuriating thing ever.
But picture quality I cannot complain about.
Needing to acknowledge these pop-ups before they go away, is the most infuriating thing ever.
But picture quality I cannot complain about.
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PerfectDark
Banned
I would never buy a LG monitor. As a gamer I don't consider LG good at making monitors.
I did buy a LG C1 48". It too awesome to hate on LG.
I did buy a LG C1 48". It too awesome to hate on LG.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
LG OLED TV Owners:
LG have produced my favourite TV joke in years.
How do you know someone has an LG OLED? Oh don't worry they will tell you.
GymWolf
Member
Like i needed another reason to hate that guy...
Kuranghi
Member
Eh, I'm talking about the Sony ZD9 or Samsung Q9FN/Q90R, both of which are available in 65"+ and 55"+ respectively.
I'm not trying to do a gotcha, ofc its your preference. It would be pretty hypocritical to say LCD isn't worth looking at vs. OLED when you haven't even experienced the best LCD has to offer.
Any LCD set with less dimming zones and/or a poor backlight system isn't comparable to OLED dimming, because it breaks down in most HDR scenes. There are plenty of really nice 4K FALD LCD sets from the last few years but the brightness difference isn't enough to make a massive difference over 600-900 nit OLEDs imo.
Obviously even if I did have a ZG9 I wouldn't compare it to an OLED because the price comparison is extremely unfair as you say.
I wish, I have a ZD9 and an AF9.
Although, my friend just got a 85" ZG9 on clearance for less than FUCKING £800. The bastard
Its the result of Covid shutting down the shop and the way the clearance system works for display units.
We are having a party to christen it soon, can't wait to see what a ~3000-nit presentation/highlights look like. Dolby Vision showpiece!