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Hideki Kamiya speaks out on Okami Wii missing staff roll
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Capcom says a lot of shit that they don't mean, and it was pretty obvious long before Okami Wii's release that they weren't that interested in creating a "perfect" port.Nash said:
You can watch the credits on YouTube (on your Wii if you really want). I always look forward to seeing Zelda games fly through all the different areas I've visited. Okami does a similar sort of thing with crappy j-pop music in the background. Nothing life changing.
PantherLotus
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Shins said:
we're gonna need a clarification on this one bob.
monkeylite
Member
Reset is a wonderful song, and fits the credit sequence perfectly.
Augemitbutter
Member
im happy most people acknowledge the hard work of others, until the last second.
keep it up.
keep it up.
Dark Octave
Banned
Reading what he said pisses me off. Was it removed because Clover's name was in it? If the company made it, you can't change that fact because it no longer exists. Clover should still be credited, even if it got re-absorbed by Capcom. Even if it happened 100 years ago. Plain disrespectful is what it is.
:lol Other than that, what's all this poetic talk about the stars and the moons, feelings, and omoi. Just tell us your pissed off you got cut from your creation and we'll be pissed off with you. Who the hell knew that the piano theme in RE2 (beautiful song by the way) had meaning of the character healing or whatever. It's pointless, because nobody would pick up on that meaning.
:lol Other than that, what's all this poetic talk about the stars and the moons, feelings, and omoi. Just tell us your pissed off you got cut from your creation and we'll be pissed off with you. Who the hell knew that the piano theme in RE2 (beautiful song by the way) had meaning of the character healing or whatever. It's pointless, because nobody would pick up on that meaning.
MassiveAttack
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Dark Octave said:
A Japanese developer would never say such a thing publicly. Unless, of course, you happened to be named Itagaki.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Augemitbutter said:
apparently you haven't read the previous fifty okami wii threads.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
to hard working port artists/developers:
if your feelings are hurt (or other people that work there have hurt feelings), i would do several things:
1. Avoid GAF at all costs. Gaf has a tendency to rely on a what have you done for me lately mentality. it isn't personal, it's hardcore.
2. Get a better translator and work more closely with the original pub. i realize that you got horrendously incomplete code and it was impossible to contact clover, as they were closed. if this absolutely isn't possible and you have to do what you did, refer to #1.
3. Hire better Public Relations and Marketing Professionals to manage trash like this. The media releases, screens, information management, marketing/advertising/packaging, and crisis control (like this and the IGN cover) have been an unmitigated disaster. The thing is, it takes so little investment to get great PR that there are really no excuses. If funding of PR isn't an option (capcom agreed to manage it?), then refer to #1.
if your feelings are hurt (or other people that work there have hurt feelings), i would do several things:
1. Avoid GAF at all costs. Gaf has a tendency to rely on a what have you done for me lately mentality. it isn't personal, it's hardcore.
2. Get a better translator and work more closely with the original pub. i realize that you got horrendously incomplete code and it was impossible to contact clover, as they were closed. if this absolutely isn't possible and you have to do what you did, refer to #1.
3. Hire better Public Relations and Marketing Professionals to manage trash like this. The media releases, screens, information management, marketing/advertising/packaging, and crisis control (like this and the IGN cover) have been an unmitigated disaster. The thing is, it takes so little investment to get great PR that there are really no excuses. If funding of PR isn't an option (capcom agreed to manage it?), then refer to #1.
IzumiK, looks like we've come full circle. Remember back in the 2600 days? devs were merely tools, their names never showed up inside the game - or outside of it, for that matter.
Hyperbole, of course. This is quite a mess, but I'm pretty sure the only one to blame is Capcom.
1. Avoid GAF at all costs. Gaf has a tendency to rely on a what have you done for me lately mentality. it isn't personal, it's hardcore.
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Hyperbole, of course. This is quite a mess, but I'm pretty sure the only one to blame is Capcom.
So basicallyPantherLotus said:
1. Avoid GAF at all costs. Gaf has a tendency to rely on a what have you done for me lately mentality. it isn't personal, it's hardcore.
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PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
yeah pretty much. with the caveat, "...that get their feelings hurt by legitimate criticism."
bafflewaffle
Member
So only 5 people created Okami in such a short time? Wow, amazing!
Dead Prince
Banned
neojubei said:
the fruit tart. i want to make a club now.
Laurentius
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280kG
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bafflewaffle
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Sour, like Kamiya's heart, and salty, like his bitter tears....Alex said:
(((((Not sure, but they guy on the right was the one in charge at RAD. (Didier Malenfant) Pic grabbed from here btw.neojubei said:
Locked. End of discussion.CTLance said:
monkeylite
Member
Is there even a simple text acknowledging Clover? Even on the manual?Haunted One said:
That's why I haven't purchased a Capcom game in forever.Kittonwy said:My level of respect for Capcom has reached an all-new low, how can they fucking cut KAMIYA's name FROM HIS OWN GAME. WTF. I sincerely hope Inafune didn't have anything to do with this.
LOL!bafflewaffle said:
Except that Kamiya got the credits in the intro sequence: Written by Hideki Kamiya. The whole Clover team got the shift thought. For sure the relationships between Clover people and Capcom aren´t all love.
So yes Kamiya got credits for the game early in the game. Poor excuse from Capcom, if thay named Kamiya I don´t see any problem to make an all new alternative staff roll, including the name of Clover staff.
So yes Kamiya got credits for the game early in the game. Poor excuse from Capcom, if thay named Kamiya I don´t see any problem to make an all new alternative staff roll, including the name of Clover staff.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
This is amazingly shitty. Even if you couldn't replicate the original credits sequence, nothing stops you from spending 10 minutes getting the original staff names rounded up and adding them to the game.
For game developers, one of the biggest payoffs to being in the industry to begin with is to be properly credited. Not only for feeling good about yourself, but for future job opportunities as well.
Low blow Capcom, not classy.
For game developers, one of the biggest payoffs to being in the industry to begin with is to be properly credited. Not only for feeling good about yourself, but for future job opportunities as well.
Low blow Capcom, not classy.
Prime Blue
Member
Not to fuel the fire, but I found it funny...
Ready at Dawn's answer to the staff roll issue:
Now, this would be perfectly feasible...if it wasn't for this:
Ōkami uses 4,288,296,960 bytes (~3.99 GB) of the Wii game disc's 4,699,979,776 bytes (~4.37 GB).
That leaves us with 411,682,816 bytes of free space (~393 MB).
The original staff roll SFD file from the PlayStation 2 version has 281,600,004 bytes (~269 MB).
So even if the staff roll was included on the Wii game disc, we would still have 124 MB of free space left.
Ready at Dawn's answer to the staff roll issue:
Didier Malenfant said:
Now, this would be perfectly feasible...if it wasn't for this:
Ōkami uses 4,288,296,960 bytes (~3.99 GB) of the Wii game disc's 4,699,979,776 bytes (~4.37 GB).
That leaves us with 411,682,816 bytes of free space (~393 MB).
The original staff roll SFD file from the PlayStation 2 version has 281,600,004 bytes (~269 MB).
So even if the staff roll was included on the Wii game disc, we would still have 124 MB of free space left.
If you lie to customers, you should tell them something they can't check.
You forgot to factor in that he just said that Wii data is bigger than PS2 data.Prime Blue said:
If the staff roll was 269MB on the PS2, it may have needed to be more than 393MB on Wii (perhaps the codec used in the PS2 version was unavailable to Wii, or something like that).
Yeah I know, nowhere near a good excuse, but I'm just putting that out there.
Prime Blue
Member
Nope, it's the exact same codec. They are even using the same version of CRI Middleware to encode the new movies, albeit the fact that there's a newer build available.ruby_onix said:
Not to mention that Wii discs..can be dual-layer..
Though using a dual-layer, for just a staffroll would have been a kinda dumb move...
But no prob..the port was still amazingly done..considering the wonders Ready at Dawn did (with so many pressure and so little time -and budget-)..they made a great job...
Maybe Capcom should release a free Appendium Disc for the Wii-Okami owners with this..and like some art of the upcoming book, etc..
Though using a dual-layer, for just a staffroll would have been a kinda dumb move...
But no prob..the port was still amazingly done..considering the wonders Ready at Dawn did (with so many pressure and so little time -and budget-)..they made a great job...
Maybe Capcom should release a free Appendium Disc for the Wii-Okami owners with this..and like some art of the upcoming book, etc..
Yep. RAD pretty much gets a get-out-of-jail-free card with regards to this port. I am pretty sure that given a bit more time they would have vastly improved upon the status quo.fernoca said:
Nonetheless, I somehow doubt their story about the missing space for the ending credits. I could see that they couldn't implement it within their time and budget constraints, though.
Visualante
Member
They said that the code they recieved was not very well organized, and is that comparing versions with the same amount of localization?Prime Blue said: