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[Grizzled Ghost]

While Horizon wouldn't be my first choice for a setting I would love to see a new, successful MMO come out and shake things up. The most popular ones these days were all released more than a decade ago. Literally 2 decades for WoW.

Hopefully whatever Riot's working on eventually turns into... something.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Seems like the projects cancelled didn't include horizon mmo. According to the reporter who originally broke the news, horizon mmo was initially project H but was later changed to project skyline. Project H was assigned to another game. Hence the confusion.

 

[Woopah]

So I'm guessing this was a sort of Horizon Genshin Impact. I do think the Horizon Monster Hunter makes more sense.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Okay, so, missed most of the drama, but all this turned out to be a mountain made out of a molehill, correct?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Okay, so, missed most of the drama, but all this turned out to be a mountain made out of a molehill, correct?

Even funnier. Western sources made up fake news and everyone ran with it.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

They are just milking that foolish man a bit more, like those penfriend scams begging you to pay her hospital bills.

This land cannot be salvaged. Totoki-san must stop this madness at once.

 

[jm89]

So I'm guessing this was a sort of Horizon Genshin Impact. I do think the Horizon Monster Hunter makes more sense.

Horizon Monster Hunter?

 

[Saber]

So Horizon MMO is fine...and this is good thing according to some because?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

So Horizon MMO is fine...and this is good thing according to some because?

Why wouldn't it be a good thing?

Because you don't like Horizon and/or live-service?

 

[Saber]

Why wouldn't it be a good thing?

Because you don't like Horizon and/or live-service?

Yes. Got a problem with that or is prohibited to dislike something you like?
I think still a waste of money regardless of being safe or not.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Yes. Got a problem with that or is prohibited to dislike something you like?

Not at all. It's literally the same answer to your own question, just the opposite.

 

[Woopah]

Horizon Monster Hunter?

I believe that's the game GG is working on.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

So to wrap it up, 2025 will see the release of:

• Horizon MMO (NCSoft, not cancelled)
• Horizon MMO (Guerilla Games)
• Light of Motiram (Tencent funded MMO Horizon 'knock-off with Palworld/crafting/base building mechanics)

Interesting times...

 

[nial]

So Horizon MMO is fine...and this is good thing according to some because?

So if it were canceled, it would be a good thing according to some because...?

So to wrap it up, 2025 will see the release of:

• Horizon MMO (NCSoft, not cancelled)
• Horizon MMO (Guerilla Games)
• Light of Motiram (Tencent funded MMO Horizon 'knock-off with Palworld/crafting/base building mechanics)

Interesting times...

Guerrilla is not making a MMO and the NCSoft one was aiming a 2026-2027 release; IIRC.

 

[Saber]

So if it were canceled, it would be a good thing according to some because...?

Less waste of money on GaaS and more support to single-player experiences other than Horizon everytime? Or finance smaller projects that could see the light of day, maybe even relaunch the so speaked Bloodborne with a single patch that will totally not cost something like 200~400m.
Or maybe Concords situation didn't open their eyes, not just about social infusion stupidity, but about selling strong appeal.
Nothing that was already stated before. Whats the reason this thing be fine to be a good thing? Same as Horizon Lego?

 

[Fake]

Waste of money. Burn them all.

 

[nial]

Less waste of money on GaaS and more support to single-player experiences other than Horizon everytime? Or finance smaller projects that could see the light of day, maybe even relaunch the so speaked Bloodborne with a single patch that will totally not cost something like 200~400m.
Or maybe Concords situation didn't open their eyes, not just about social infusion stupidity, but about selling strong appeal.
Nothing that was already stated before. Whats the reason this thing be fine to be a good thing?

Sorry, but you can't determine it being any sort of waste until it actually releases, and using a completely unrelated game (in both genres and development realities) is a pretty weak argument. It has as much weight as implying that it's an inherently good idea just because Helldivers 2 was successful; just let the products speak for themselves.

Same as Horizon Lego?

So much for wanting smaller projects; if you guys weren't seething at anything Horizon related, perhaps you could see how a first-party game developed in less than two years is a good thing.

 

[Saber]

Sorry, but you can't determine it being any sort of waste until it actually releases, and using a completely unrelated game (in both genres and development realities) is a pretty weak argument. It has as much weight as implying that it's an inherently good idea just because Helldivers 2 was successful; just let the products speak for themselves.

I do actually, by using other rejects projects as base. Otherwise you could say that to basically any cancelled project, including not limited to LoU multiplayer. And a big but here, I'm not saying that garantees this game will be a failure though. What I do believe is that Horizon does not have what it takes to be a contender, Helldivers has a good appeal(strong resemblance and inspiration to Startroppers). Horizon doesn't and the only reason I can think this thing being a thing despite alot cancelling its because of Hermen.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

So much for wanting smaller projects; if you guys weren't seething at anything Horizon related, perhaps you could see how a first-party game developed in less than two years is a good thing.

Me and my son actually play it in coop a lot. Not because we're huge fans, but because there a very few games you can play with your 5yo boy on a single screen. Especially with this level of polish.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I do actually, by using other rejects projects as base. Otherwise you could say that to basically any cancelled project, including not limited to LoU multiplayer. And a big but here, I'm not saying that garantees this game will be a failure though. What I do believe is that Horizon does not have what it takes to be a contender, Helldivers has a good appeal(strong resemblance and inspiration to Startroppers). Horizon doesn't and the only reason I can think this thing being a thing despite alot cancelling its because of Hermen.

What do you want then?

Projects like Astro Bot and Stellar Blade sell about ~1M copies.
That's the range of sales that got studios like Zipper, Evolution and Japan Studios closed, because Sony can't sustain their business with such low revenues.

 

[Bernardougf]

Remember a couple of years ago when people used to say that sony concentrating resources into this slop wouldn't take away from single player projects? Lmao

Its a good IQ test for those who believed in this bullshit.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

What do you want then?

Projects like Astro Bot and Stellar Blade sell about ~1M copies.
That's the range of sales that got studios like Zipper, Evolution and Japan Studios closed, because Sony can't sustain their business with such low revenues.

Those games are profitable despite not selling multi-million copies.

So, according to you, Bayonetta, Returnal, or Nier Automata shouldn't be made either. Their sales are in the same range.

Besides being profitable, these games add an intangible brand value. The brand is perceived as "good". Metroid is the absolute paradigm of it, the conversation around it is so much bigger than its actual sales.

The alternative to relatively niche games can't be a wild bet that will most likely turn out in failure and layoffs.

 

[Fake]

What do you want then?

Projects like Astro Bot and Stellar Blade sell about ~1M copies.
That's the range of sales that got studios like Zipper, Evolution and Japan Studios closed, because Sony can't sustain their business with such low revenues.

WTF are saying?

To waste 400m and try Concord after Concord because bruh?

Sony is doing a smart move for a change now. Take no more chances.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Those games are profitable despite not selling multi-million copies.

So, according to you, Bayonetta, Returnal, or Nier Automata shouldn't be made either. Their sales are in the same range.

Besides being profitable, these games add an intangible brand value. The brand is perceived as "good". Metroid is the absolute paradigm of it, the conversation around it is so much bigger than its actual sales.

The alternative to relatively niche games can't be a wild bet that will most likely turn out in failure and layoffs.

I never said those games shouldn't be made.
They should be able to make both.

What's with people acting like there can only be either one or the other?

Anyway, regardless of anything you just said, fact of the matter is that the studios I mentioned got shut down despite similar results as games like Astro and SB.

WTF are saying?

To waste 400m and try Concord after Concord because bruh?

Sony is doing a smart move for a change now. Take no more chances.

Firewalk got shutdown immediately. That's how business works.

But it's funny how people keep using Concord as an argument, while completely leaving Helldivers out of the discussion.

 

[Bernardougf]

The irony of Microsoft filling in the gaps for sony...

The irony of Sony becoming MS With its own Phil "Hulst" Spencer.

 

[Bernardougf]

So to wrap it up, 2025 will see the release of:

• Horizon MMO (NCSoft, not cancelled)
• Horizon MMO (Guerilla Games)
• Light of Motiram (Tencent funded MMO Horizon 'knock-off with Palworld/crafting/base building mechanics)

Interesting times...

 

[Fake]

Firewalk got shutdown immediately. That's how business works.

But it's funny how people keep using Concord as an argument, while completely leaving Helldivers out of the discussion.

Why should I use Helldivers?

Was all those GaaS cancelations because of Helldivers?

I have no fucking ideia why everyone is using Concord.
Maybe that's how business works.

 

[Saber]

What do you want then?

Projects like Astro Bot and Stellar Blade sell about ~1M copies.
That's the range of sales that got studios like Zipper, Evolution and Japan Studios closed, because Sony can't sustain their business with such low revenues.

Something around that yeah.
Unless spending 200m or above in projects that "might" be sucessfull(being very generous here since we are talking about GaaS, a very high risk market) seems like a good idea to you.
Stellar and Astrobot might not be the "best sellers", but they take advantage of the word of mouth marketing and will gain more revenue overtime when the price seems more attractive.
GaaS on the other hand is a gamble. Unless someone is willing to put great effort to catch the custumers and retain them, you will not see returns, only more money being burnt. Dunno how many times it has being said, but its not an easy task to hit the market like Marvel Rivals. They think its is, but its not. Thats why we had Concord.
Also Helldivers has nothing to do with cancelations. Already stated that Helldivers have a good appeal, the resemblance and inspiration of Starshiptroopers, which is awesome. But Horizon? Whats their appeal?

 

[K' Dash]

Thank fuck

How can I love the world and hate so much the character design and gameplay

 

[Fake]

How can I love the world and hate so much the character design and gameplay

Because a world with robot dinosaurs are nice, but all Horizon franchise characters sucks.
LEGO Horizon showed people don't give a shit about those characters. Not a single one.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Why should I use Helldivers?

Was all those GaaS cancelations because of Helldivers?

I have no fucking ideia why everyone is using Concord.
Maybe that's how business works.

Just gonna leave this here. It's a dead horse, really:

"It would be naive for us to assume that all 10 (live service games) will be massive successes so that is not a necessary condition for us to double first party revenues," said Ryan. "That is certainly not what we're assuming. Clearly, the distinction between a hit and not a hit is not a binary one."

Jim Ryan: Narrative Rich Games Will Remain the Bedrock of PlayStation's 1st-Party Lineup

PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan in a Q&A session with analysts from 2022 that were included with the recent [...]

www.vgchartz.com

 

[Felessan]

LEGO Horizon showed people don't give a shit about those characters. Not a single one.

I thought Lego Horizon is in ballpark of other Lego games (and they sale millions over lifetime) and using Steam data is just dumb for them (who play children games on nerd platform)?

 

[Fake]

Just gonna leave this here. It's a dead horse, really:

Deflection. Good to know.

Go ask someone why they are using Concord. Maybe you can find out.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Deflection. Good to know.

Go ask someone why they are using Concord. Maybe you can find out.

I know why people use Concord and what the effect of it's disaster is.

But games like Helldivers are what they're after.

And games like Marvel Rivals and PoE2 show that live-service games can be succesful.

There is no right or wrong for either live-service or traditional singleplayer.

 

[nial]

I do actually, by using other rejects projects as base. Otherwise you could say that to basically any cancelled project, including not limited to LoU multiplayer. And a big but here, I'm not saying that garantees this game will be a failure though. What I do believe is that Horizon does not have what it takes to be a contender, Helldivers has a good appeal(strong resemblance and inspiration to Startroppers). Horizon doesn't and the only reason I can think this thing being a thing despite alot cancelling its because of Hermen.

Basing your entire point in using rejected or canceled projects makes zero sense when none of that applies to the Horizon MMO. What is your point of reference to determine it being a waste of money and development time, exactly? It all comes down to your personal belief in that it will flop because reasons.
Again, predicting how this game will fare by looking at previous efforts -which includes a hit (Helldivers 2) and a flop (Concord)- that are completely unrelated in terms of genre, gameplay, etc. is just dumb.
BTW, I think Horizon has a world with good potential in the GAAS sphere. Fighting dino robos is definitely appealing.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Sony’s ‘Horizon Zero Dawn’ MMO May Also Have Been Cancelled,

Sony’s ‘Horizon Zero Dawn’ MMO May Also Have Been Cancelled, Suggests New Report

There are rumblings that another live project may have been cancelled, the Horizon Zero Dawn MMO that Sony was making with NCsoft.

www.forbes.com

Hello Yeah

 

[nial]

Sony’s ‘Horizon Zero Dawn’ MMO May Also Have Been Cancelled,

Sony’s ‘Horizon Zero Dawn’ MMO May Also Have Been Cancelled, Suggests New Report

There are rumblings that another live project may have been cancelled, the Horizon Zero Dawn MMO that Sony was making with NCsoft.

www.forbes.com

Hello Yeah

So, it looks like the ERA user above was right on the money.
Horizon: Land of Salvation is still fine, and should still be as long as NCSoft receives funding and production staff assistance from publisher SIE.
From the e-mail:

엔씨소프트 호라이즌 MMO 개발 취소는 오보

애초에 이 기자님은 호라이즌이라고 한 적 없음

m.ruliweb.com

Thick Thighs Save Lives

 

[nial]

Me and my son actually play it in coop a lot. Not because we're huge fans, but because there a very few games you can play with your 5yo boy on a single screen. Especially with this level of polish.

Co-op modes in light-hearted platformers/action games can be very overlooked and should be made more often, IMO. If you haven't already, I suggest giving Knack 2 a go for some co-op, I found it to be pretty decently fun.