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How did The Adventures of Batman & Robin achieve the "Impossible" on SEGA Genesis?
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Genesis Knight
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I know this is the Traveler's Tales guy, and he has some good looking effects in his Genesis portfolio.
That said, his flippancy here about AoBaR is lame. Sure, all Genesis graphical effects are ultimately going to be one of a handful of techniques such as line scrolling, scaling, interrupts, etc. If it was so easy, more games would look and play like AoBaR. They don't. Even Traveler's Tales games.
The point is how are those simple hardwarw techniques combined with art, gameplay, and the logic of the scene? AoBaR has a huge range of set pieces that combine these three things with those basic hardware tricks to create impressive moments.
That said, his flippancy here about AoBaR is lame. Sure, all Genesis graphical effects are ultimately going to be one of a handful of techniques such as line scrolling, scaling, interrupts, etc. If it was so easy, more games would look and play like AoBaR. They don't. Even Traveler's Tales games.
The point is how are those simple hardwarw techniques combined with art, gameplay, and the logic of the scene? AoBaR has a huge range of set pieces that combine these three things with those basic hardware tricks to create impressive moments.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Best looking Genesis game I played. But also a shitty playing game. Graphics 10/10. Gameplay 3/10. Insanely hard and actually a shooter.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
But they gameplay isn’t that great.
-pepodmc
Neo Member
im tired of people saying that a game is bad only because they are bad at playing it
Soltype
Member
It was more than serviceable at the time, and much more engaging than the SNES game.But they gameplay isn’t that great.
I think it's just how he talks in general, if he has an idea of how something is done then it's "Easy" and "Simple" which of course to most is not otherwise there would be more games on the systems using such advanced tricks.
alabtrosMyster
Member
The controls and gameplay was great, however the level design and enemy encounters were long and repetitive (boring).But they gameplay isn’t that great.
I never finished the first level of the game, I always got bored before I got past it.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The game resembled a space shooter too. But had comic book skins.
The game levels went on forever mindlessly shooting enemies with batarangs. And in the air levels was the same thing but your in a batplane.
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alabtrosMyster
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Nah, he is not that bad in the videos about his games, I found his very dismissive in this one specifically, like it's easy I have done it before (even if they do 4 times as much as he does).
I think he is just bored because the tricks on the 16-bit systems are pretty much a mix and match of more or less the game stuff all the time (the implementations aren't all as good, and some programmers were not as good as others to work around the limitations of these systems... but still)... this or he is insulted because a lot of people consider this Batman & Robin game to be the most "advanced" Sega Genesis cart game (which seems fair).
Genesis Knight
Member
At this point there is an unofficial canon of S-Tier effects-driven Genesis games like AoBaR, Ranger-X, Gunstar Heroes, Contra Hard Corps etc and the Traveler's Tales games (while worth playing) are not in that tier. They clearly used the same techniques (Toy Story, Mickey Mania) but not with the same impact.
cireza
Member
Or maybe he is an experimented veteran sharing his knowledge and has no interest in stupid wars or petty arguments such as these.
-pepodmc
Neo Member
its a run & gun man, what do you expect?
It mixes run & gun with beat em up mechanics, some levels are long, but thats why is difficult, plus the batarang system.
Its like if i said "sunsetriders is always the same, shotting bad guys all day, and in bonus stages, the same but with a different camera perspective"
But that opinion would be silly.
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-pepodmc
Neo Member
Alien soldier from treasure is more advanced than gunstar heroes. But gunstar heroes is more remembered.
For me alien soldier is the better game.
Visual effects that involve skewing, swapping, and selective rendering of images create perspective effects.
I know that was a shitty explanation but watching the video while it is explained is way more enjoyable.
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
That's actually pretty good
Back in the day devs took milk from a rock. Nowadays is way too much stuff to do, so they skip creative solutions and go straight to cut or launch a half ass thing