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INVINCIBLE Season 3 will officially premiere on February 6

Puscifer

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Rewatching episode 3 and remembering how much I hate kid omni man.

Only 24 replies for this season is super low. Maybe people on the anime thread talk about it more.

After watching solo leveling and SLF between a break in invincible, the difference in animation quality is jarring. The amount of still images used in the back and foreground of most shots is ridiculous. They allude to it in season 2 but fuck me sideways it's distracting.
FWIW

Comic spoiler

Kid Omni Man has a WILD redemption arc in the comics, the fact you can't stand him tells me they're adapting it perfectly even when they make changes or eliminate storylines to keep it going. It's crazy to me they didn't even remotely try to adapt the student bombing storyline.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Your best bet is to hope that as many interesting shows as possible release on HBO Max if that's what you're mainly looking to see.
It's not so much that I look for shows with nudity, but more the odd dichotomy of the ultra-violence followed by an almost PG level of prudeness of non-sexual nudity.

How did the conversation about those decisions go?

"All right, so let's have this whole family at the beach get decapitated, heads flying, blood coating the sand. The folks behind them get eviserated, I wanna see some rib fragments and a heart. Can the animators do a heart? I want kids, teen girls, old men, gay interracial lovers, all of it ripped apart! We will spend the next 3 days figuring out exactly how much to disfigure Eve after ripping her face open. I wanna see GUTS people. Ropes of intestine trailing behind her!"

"Ok sir, I'm sure the animators will love spending the next 3 months drawing all that stuff!"

"Now, this Eve and Mark naked scene. I know she can summon clothes and we could just have her in a bra and panties, but lets work out extensive blocking so that we can conceal her nipples at all times! Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES are we going to show any human nudity! This is a show kids might watch, people, and I don't want the animators to have to draw anything that might make them uncomfortable or have any woman gets turned off by this show! WE are NOT about exploiting the male gaze here! Now.....back to just how much we can dismember a kid...."

I know Kirkman himself says he doesn't like drawn nudity or sex, so this is likely all on him versus the network. But it just makes me wonder whats going on in our society (Japan as well, they also do hyperviolence and cruelty but then get bashful with nudity....hentai excepted of course) that we have allowed such gore but no nudity. Particualrly animated nudity where there is no actress potentially being exploited. Anyway, just a random thought.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
In today's age, I've noticed that this is based more on the streaming service itself and less on American culture in general.

This is what I've noticed while watching shows on and off on certain services and how likely nudity will show up:

  • HBO Max/Max: Very high likelihood of showing nudity
  • Showtime: Same as HBO
  • Cinemax: Same as HBO (technically Cinemax absorbed into Max anyway)
  • Hulu/FX: ~70% chance based on the genre of show
  • Starz: ~60% chance based on genre of show
  • Netflix: ~50% chance based on the source material, genre, and if it's necessary to the plot.
  • Apple TV: Same as Netflix
  • Amazon: Same as Netflix, but will let loose with blood/gore effects
  • Peacock: Will skirt the line very heavily with certain genres or shows, but as far as I'm aware it's under ~25%
  • Paramount Plus: Very, very low likelihood
  • Disney Plus: Same as Paramount Plus
  • Crunchyroll: Anime isn't really known for it, plus a very low likelihood on mature shows due to simulcast (Jojo's was heavily censored at times on release night of a new episode)
Your best bet is to hope that as many interesting shows as possible release on HBO Max if that's what you're mainly looking to see.
Actually, to side track about the networks, I thought Apple was a HARD STOP on any kind of R rated content since kids could potentially get access to it through a new phone. Have they relaxed on that. D+ I assume is an ABSOLUTE hard stop, at least here in the states where they have Hulu for the more adult stuff. Even the marvel R films didn't have nudity IIRC, which really just goes along with my point about Invincible. I myself find that I when I'm showing my pre-teen the Arnie Total Recall, I skipped over the Martian girl with her totally fake looking 3 boobs but have no problem showing him a guy getting shot into pulp while Arnie uses him as a bullet sponge on the escalator.

Paramount does have some brief nudity with the Taylor Sheriden shows, Lioness at least. Early Yellowstone as well. Though no one is doing anything like the heyday of Starz, Cinemax and HBO. I guess pornhub eliminated virtually that entire market. Netflix I think has more stuff in that vein now, with the Snyder Norse cartoon and Rebel Moon, as well as that spy show OBLITERATED (edit-thats what I was thinking of).
 
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I understand where the article writer is coming from with his criticism, but I think part of his issue with it is that he is expecting each season to have a closed loop in terms of writing. The funny thing is, I have seen other people reviewing it a bit lower for entirely different reasons than the IGN guy. Those people simply want the story to fast forward to non-stop DBZ fighting, which would also be detrimental to it's quality.

I guess I look at Invincible more like Young Justice, where now there are so many different threads that they can weave an interesting, intertwined story with multiple payoffs later on. I remember when Young Justice literally took a bold chance and used almost 2/3 of a season on story, character writing, and buildup, before some great payoffs that came within the last third of the season and the next season that came out.

When I watched this season of Invincible, I expected them to cover more of Mark's hero dilemma (including his collateral damage issue) in the next season and maybe the one after that. I think it would be odd for it to be resolved so quickly within one season considering how villains are probably only going to get stronger or stranger from this point forward.

One of the reasons I felt this way is because this show is so successful I know that Amazon has already greenlit 2-3 more seasons of it, so doing a quick 1-season wrap up of every single problem presented in said season, simply isn't needed.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I agree with most of this, though I think Invincible has had other weak episodes.
When I watched this season of Invincible, I expected them to cover more of Mark's hero dilemma (including his collateral damage issue) in the next season and maybe the one after that. I think it would be odd for it to be resolved so quickly within one season considering how villains are probably only going to get stronger or stranger from this point forward.
This is something I wish they would explore more. Marc does not seem to be investing in ANY capability to submit anyone, or restrain them with any type of wonder-tech zip-ties, or enhance himself with tungsten brass knuckles, or explore other options for these viltrumites. What happened to all those pulp adventure books his dad wrote that all the clues to defeating viltrumites? What is the 'human' contribution and should we even care, or just consider Marc to be effectively a full blooded viltrumite? Why are SO MANY other shades of Marc outright homicidal psychopaths?

I can't even remember why we should be against viltrumite "colonization" in the first place. I know they occasionally destroy planets but otherwise what hardships do they bring versus a reprive of the all too frequent random rampaging monster that presumably an 'on station' viltrumnite would dispatch quickly. I feel like if they could show what the typical viltrumite run planet looks like and put it to a global vote, most normals would vote YES.
One of the reasons I felt this way is because this show is so successful I know that Amazon has already greenlit 2-3 more seasons of it, so doing a quick 1-season wrap up of every single problem presented in said season, simply isn't needed.
One on my main complaints with this show is that each season isn't structured with a defined problem in the beginning, some movement towards defining and exploring that problem throughout the season, and then resolving it at the end. Rather it just seems like an endless series of "a day in the life of..." episodes but missing the ensemble elements necessary for a truely episodic show. The eps that are clearly deconstructing some comic tropes work the best for me, and I mostly try to watch this show with that lens firmly in place versus considering it totally on it's own.
 
This is something I wish they would explore more. Marc does not seem to be investing in ANY capability to submit anyone, or restrain them with any type of wonder-tech zip-ties, or enhance himself with tungsten brass knuckles, or explore other options for these viltrumites.
Powerplex was his first instance of needing to show true restraint and compassion while subduing someone simply with submission/restraints. The problem is (and this is why I liked that episode while others might have not) Mark failed in multiple key moments that shows he still needs to grow:

1) He ignored the first time Powerplex asked for Invincible. This is that spiderman 2 moment of giving up the suit and thinking 'someone else will do it'.
2) He should have taken their initial battle outside of that building. The building itself was not going to collapse or anything. There was no reason to keep the battle inside. This points to arrogance.
3) He literally almost convinced Powerplex through his words instead of actions, but he made the mistake of talking from a 'superior' point of view by lecturing him instead of trying to see his perspective by using his own father as a mutual talking point. This points to a subtle superiority complex.

I will say that the only way I can see him ever subduing a full-on viltrumite would literally be if he met them, solo, in the future, because the future Immortal talked Mark allegedly gaining a crapton of muscle and power after almost succumbing to a virus. Right now, I can understand why Mark would rather just kill a Viltrumite than take that chance. He isn't strong enough yet to look at them like equals or as if they are beneath him.
What happened to all those pulp adventure books his dad wrote that all the clues to defeating viltrumites?
Allen the Alien took them to the Viltrumite resistance force from what I last remember, but I could be wrong on that timeline if anyone wants to correct me.
What is the 'human' contribution and should we even care, or just consider Marc to be effectively a full blooded viltrumite? Why are SO MANY other shades of Marc outright homicidal psychopaths?
From what I'm gathering (and this is only a theory based off of everything I have seen in this show), Viltrumites might not have an adrenaline factor like humans or they might have some sort of limiting factor to their strength. It's the only explanation I can think of for Mark slightly increasing in maximum strength and getting bursts of energy during a battle, even when he went all out with Conquest, but Conquest not doing the same when he was met with dire circumstances.
I can't even remember why we should be against viltrumite "colonization" in the first place. I know they occasionally destroy planets but otherwise what hardships do they bring versus a reprive of the all too frequent random rampaging monster that presumably an 'on station' viltrumnite would dispatch quickly. I feel like if they could show what the typical viltrumite run planet looks like and put it to a global vote, most normals would vote YES.
As shown last season through other dimensions, and explained by other Mark variants this season, the Viltrumites would enslave all of humanity, put them in camps, and execute people seemingly at random either based on population size (aka genocide) or for other reasons. This is why if you noticed, while Angstrom did say last season that nearly every Invincible ended up evil (except our Invincible Prime), he didn't quite state that every Invincible sided with the Viltrumites.

The other Marks hinted at this with some of their lines and we will hopefully see more hints of this in a future season as I was spoiled a bit on other Mark universes, as some of the Marks either went batshit insane and started killing anyone and everything, or they killed Nolan, or they fought against viltrumites with Nolan, or they conquered earth solo and are it's sole owner/protector. Two of those Marks we saw were very, very powerful based off of what they claimed and again some spoilers I've seen, so it is the best possible option that they were quickly removed from the prime universe.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
As shown last season through other dimensions, and explained by other Mark variants this season, the Viltrumites would enslave all of humanity, put them in camps, and execute people seemingly at random either based on population size (aka genocide) or for other reasons. This is why if you noticed, while Angstrom did say last season that nearly every Invincible ended up evil (except our Invincible Prime), he didn't quite state that every Invincible sided with the Viltrumites.
Enslave us to what end? Labor camps to make them pretty things?

I just feel like the "evil" is not very clear which makes the stakes hard to grasp. Unless they are just EVIL and move on, which I'm fine with, but it seems like there are shades of grey there, but only when they need it for some side story.
 
Enslave us to what end? Labor camps to make them pretty things?
According to what has been said so far, humans would be used to mine resources for Viltrum technology or used themselves as resources to repopulate the Viltrum Empire. Those people would then either be killed after giving birth or be held captive to watch over the child until it gains power, to then be killed or put back to the mines.

As per Nolan, humans are seen as ants on an ant farm. We don't care when we step on ants, so Viltrumites wouldn't care if they stepped on us.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
According to what has been said so far, humans would be used to mine resources for Viltrum technology or used themselves as resources to repopulate the Viltrum Empire. Those people would then either be killed after giving birth or be held captive to watch over the child until it gains power, to then be killed or put back to the mines.

As per Nolan, humans are seen as ants on an ant farm. We don't care when we step on ants, so Viltrumites wouldn't care if they stepped on us.
Soooooo, sex slave for hot fit Viltrumite women? Or life in the mines.....hmm, I like my odds :p
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
I thought the finale was decent. The government agency always seems to do stuff that will come back to punish them in the end though.
 
I thought the finale was decent. The government agency always seems to do stuff that will come back to punish them in the end though.
The crazy thing is, so far only Mark's actions have actually come back to punish them. Cecil and crew either saved the day, performed rescue, or helped immensely, multiple times, throughout the series.

Unless next season things suddenly go off the rails, Cecil has been making very good, calculated moves so far aside from everything directly involving Mark. The man is like Batman with no cape or cowl.
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
The crazy thing is, so far only Mark's actions have actually come back to punish them. Cecil and crew either saved the day, performed rescue, or helped immensely, multiple times, throughout the series.

Unless next season things suddenly go off the rails, Cecil has been making very good, calculated moves so far aside from everything directly involving Mark. The man is like Batman with no cape or cowl.
I think Cecil has good intentions. But they are not the same goal as marks. Cecil is trying to plan for all possibilities and alien invasion. Mark just wants to protect his family and friends.
 
So the internal/eternal debate begins; do i wait till next season or break down and buy the comics/manga? (Or get them from the library).
If you want, I suggest reading the comics based on the cameos or side characters that appear in the show, to get more context, like Tech Jacket, Wolfman, Brit, Capes, Guarding the Globe, Eve & Rex(backstory comic), Invincible Universe, and the new upcoming Battle Beast comic.
 

Lunarorbit

Gold Member
If you want, I suggest reading the comics based on the cameos or side characters that appear in the show, to get more context, like Tech Jacket, Wolfman, Brit, Capes, Guarding the Globe, Eve & Rex(backstory comic), Invincible Universe, and the new upcoming Battle Beast comic.
I went on hoopla and got the 1st compendium there last night. Knowing the anime so well helps notice all the differences they made from the comic.

I was just thinking that I haven't watched the atom eve special yet and that probably helps explain what happened in the last episode.
 
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