Parazels
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You forgot to write "multiplatform".
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Is the next Xbox simply a compact Windows PC?
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Parazels
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pc-minorities do not appreciate comfortable gaming anyway. They are not the target audience at all.To me this idea doesn't make any sense at all and seems like a PC gamer's delusional fantasy
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Parazels
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It should be compact and elegant in comparison to those ugly metal boxes, which collect tons of dust in pc-minorities rooms.
bitbydeath
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All rumours point to it being a PC, but there was one that suggested the OS will be made more gamer friendly and it won’t just be Windows 11 as we know it today.
Parazels
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It would be great for creating a new console and handheld, sharing the same OS and user friendly interface.
Mibu no ookami
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I would imagine it running in some sort of kiosk mode with some easy options to run launchers. Maybe even install the launchers out of the Windows Store... might be a way for Microsoft to try and maintain some royalties, but I think we're all probably thinking too much about this system.
If it is sold at a heavy premium it's not going to sell a significant number of units. It simply won't.
geary
Member
The next system will be probably an hardware with fixed specs and a custom windows as a operating system, in order that the devs should not need to much effort to make PC games compatible with the next Xbox (so no more need of porting). Probably similar with what the handhelds are doing now, but with higher specs.
Not happening.
DenchDeckard
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I am now fully in the camp of Xbox is dead as a console manufacturer. A tough pill to swallow for a fan of the eco system so I hope Microsoft does a good job at looking after legacy customers......lol
I think they are going to go for the power play again. This time with an power difference that can't be out into question. The problem is it will be probably. 1.3 to 1.5 times as expensive as the ps6. Which is clearly fine for those after pro consoles.
If they do it well there will be plenty of people who want the best experience and will pay the x amount to have a pro console day one. As the vast majority of players just play the same three to five games they may be able to be disruptive in mindhare but not in market share. They will probably end up in a worse position than this gen and sell around a quarter of the amount of devices as playstation.
I think they are going to go for the power play again. This time with an power difference that can't be out into question. The problem is it will be probably. 1.3 to 1.5 times as expensive as the ps6. Which is clearly fine for those after pro consoles.
If they do it well there will be plenty of people who want the best experience and will pay the x amount to have a pro console day one. As the vast majority of players just play the same three to five games they may be able to be disruptive in mindhare but not in market share. They will probably end up in a worse position than this gen and sell around a quarter of the amount of devices as playstation.
Parazels
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Why not? Valve are already close to this.
Because the Xbox handheld is just another Windows device.
BlackTron
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This is only true in the event that every title you purchased on Xbox happened to be published by Microsoft. If the game is not theirs they have to redo a contract to make it available on another platform.
So if I bought Resident Evil 2 on Xbox, Xbox cannot decide to give me a PC version for free just because they made a PC. Capcom still wants me to pay for it. MS must renegotiate every agreement to do this. It's impossible.
Microsoft needs some way to add the feature of being an Xbox to a PC, to make it functional to literally play Xbox games, not a different version of the same, with some sort of compatibility later software voodoo.
BlackTron
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So if we compare the 999 PC Xbox to to the 500 Sony console (but not the 700-800 one), and certainly not to other PCs whatsoever-
There is no competition in the quality of devices they will be.
BlackTron
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Honestly, m14 isn't entirely wrong. If Xbox has the most powerful console, some people will notice. I'm sure PS5 Pro turned many heads as well. As he has admitted, it won't be the type of mass of people to make a console fly off shelves.
Some people, may wish they could play Sony games on it. But in a world where Sony makes a very good Pro console and also PC versions, it's going the be a rather niche enthusiast desire, but he seems to have admitted this.
Xbox is already dead. Just like Xbox One was when when the One X came out. Some people noticed it and still remember how strong it was for the time, anyway. I don't see m14 claiming anything than that this could happen again. Since Xbox is already dead, surely we are not so insecure we can't allow this.
Some people, may wish they could play Sony games on it. But in a world where Sony makes a very good Pro console and also PC versions, it's going the be a rather niche enthusiast desire, but he seems to have admitted this.
Xbox is already dead. Just like Xbox One was when when the One X came out. Some people noticed it and still remember how strong it was for the time, anyway. I don't see m14 claiming anything than that this could happen again. Since Xbox is already dead, surely we are not so insecure we can't allow this.
ShaiKhulud1989
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I expect expensivt hybrid device to keep OG library kicking until the feasable native emulation become possible. Or it will be possible out of the box, but I doubt it.
It will be some sort of a bridge device with very-very limited target audience and price sticker that will make PS5 Pro with a drive in Eu a bargain.
It will be some sort of a bridge device with very-very limited target audience and price sticker that will make PS5 Pro with a drive in Eu a bargain.
gooner4life_uk
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It's a given at this point, but it won't work out well for Phil Spencer or Microsoft, Gamepass will cease to survive by 2030.
Orbital2060
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The whole xbox is dead meme is so tired.
Some people obviously have great difficulties understanding that Xbox is here to stay, and will also publish on as many platforms as possible. Sony is just one of those platforms, but it seems to have gone to some Sony fans heads. You dont see this kind of rhetoric from Nintendo fans, its just Oh thats cool - more games!
Xbox is now the largest third party publisher - AND they are going to have their own hardware. Youre just going to have to get used to that.
Some people obviously have great difficulties understanding that Xbox is here to stay, and will also publish on as many platforms as possible. Sony is just one of those platforms, but it seems to have gone to some Sony fans heads. You dont see this kind of rhetoric from Nintendo fans, its just Oh thats cool - more games!
Xbox is now the largest third party publisher - AND they are going to have their own hardware. Youre just going to have to get used to that.
POKEYCLYDE
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My hope is that the next Xbox will be relatively affordable, maybe $600-700, will boot into an Xbox OS with the ability to download other gaming storefronts. With some kind of easy way to link your Xbox Account to your other storefront's accounts.
I believe the success of the next Xbox hinges on it remaining easy to use and affordable like a console but with access to Steam.
There are always games that blow up in popularity that are exclusive to PC (at least for a long while), Among Us, Lethal Company, Miside, Liar's Bar. I'd kill to play Tiny Glade on console. Who knows what the next gaming hit that is only on PC will be? But if Xbox has access to it through Steam and Playstation doesn't... that's a great marketing point.
Not to mention Sony first party games that end up on Steam.
I believe the success of the next Xbox hinges on it remaining easy to use and affordable like a console but with access to Steam.
There are always games that blow up in popularity that are exclusive to PC (at least for a long while), Among Us, Lethal Company, Miside, Liar's Bar. I'd kill to play Tiny Glade on console. Who knows what the next gaming hit that is only on PC will be? But if Xbox has access to it through Steam and Playstation doesn't... that's a great marketing point.
Not to mention Sony first party games that end up on Steam.
Fess
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Their real problem is actually simpler than that. You just don’t need their console to play their games.
It’s not like everything Nintendo put out is better than everything on Xbox. But Nintendo has never given even a tiny hint that any of their games would arrive on PC or other consoles.
So what do you do?
You buy their console and play their games and that’s it. Pretty sure we’ll have 2-4 Switch 2 in the house the coming years, and I’m not even mad about it.
But Xbox? If they miraculously come up with a cool new concept I’ll probably buy their next Xbox, but most likely I’ll just play all their games on PC like I already do.
They’ve dug the hole they are in right now themselves.
Parazels
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And Steam Deck is just another Linux device?
Parazels
Member
I lost a dozen of digital games, purchased on Xbox 360. And nobody cares.
Orbital2060
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To throw a wild card into the mix (and granted, its pretty wild) - I wonder if this would finally make World of Warcraft playable on a console. It would maybe hinge on if we can get mods running, and then use kb+m, which is already a thing. It would be a narrow use case for most people maybe, but for me WoW is kind of locked to PC which I dont use much for videogames atm. It would be super nice to at least be able to have the choice to play it from a console, or hybrid pc console.
BlackTron
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I find it uncomfortable to play games with the wrong type of controller, or with uneven frame rate.
That's why I need a PC, in addition to my consoles.
Like, everything you appreciate about games. You project on others for not valuing, to assign the reason you disagree.
I can start a game on console but if it feels like ass with the loose stick stock controller, I'll just drop what I'm doing and run the PC version instead where I can correct the problem and have a more comfortable thumb for the next two hours.
So it made my actual physical experience more comfortable, but if you were there you'd insult me because the plastic box was larger, didn't have a logo on it, and made me double click an icon first. I guess you would rather have a small device, but be physically uncomfortable? You do you man, but don't insult me.
No, I'm just telling you there's no master plan for a unification of Xbox and Windows like many on this forum seem to think. The upcoming handheld is just like any other Windows handheld (ROG Ally/Legion Go/etc)
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RetroGamingUK
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Of course it could run WoW, because it would be a PC that plays PC games.
RetroGamingUK
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Xbox IS dead in terms of the consoles named “Xbox”
The confusion is that they went from naming themselves Microsoft Studios to Xbox.
If they renamed themselves Microsoft gaming it would cause much less confusion and create a clear distinction.
panda-zebra
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So much back-and-forth in this thread and others along the same lines when we have information as reliable as it gets right here. It all got confused with people mixing up their rumours, but the best info we have is the next "xbox" is a portable and the next console, should it make sense to go forward with by that time, is quite likely just a regular console not a PC hybrid and will come when AMD is ready and able same as ps6.
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HeWhoWalks
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As a platform holder, Xbox is rather dead. If it wasn’t, their games wouldn’t be coming to other consoles.
Thus, you’re just going to have to get used to that.
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Orbital2060
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Schmendrick
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every time you open your mouth regarding anything PC in any topic everyone around you gets a bit dumber.
sendit
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Im hoping what you say is correct and spawns another legendary Xbox power king thread.
dcx4610
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It should have a PC running Windows after the 360. This is a hill I will die on. It gets Windows into more homes and is a starter PC for console games.
The only complicated part is SKUs. Personally, I would do just one SKU to make it easy and have an Xbox store where you buy approved/compatible parts. Have it come with an Xbox front end and the games running from that are tailored to the config on the pre-built PC.
The only complicated part is SKUs. Personally, I would do just one SKU to make it easy and have an Xbox store where you buy approved/compatible parts. Have it come with an Xbox front end and the games running from that are tailored to the config on the pre-built PC.
Madserb2023
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I think the next Xbox will basically be a PC that developers can just better curate the experience for in the same way as the Steam Deck.
mayham2199
Member
At this point doesn't even seem like anyone knows. Jez wrote an article sayings it's a traditional console. Then Tom Warren says its going to be very different.
SmokedMeat
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I don’t think PC box is the direction they’re headed in. God knows how shitty Microsoft is at getting software right, so it would be an absolute nightmare.
FoxMcChief
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I think the next Xbox is called Nintendo Switch 2, and is a hybrid console/handheld.
Schmendrick
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That thing they`re currently experiencing their sales crash with? Would MS be stupid enough to "just go on as usual"?.....probably.
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RickMasters
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Xbox's...I mean PCs can already do that.
Except you missed the part where we can’t access our backlogs of xbox games on PC ( in my case well over 1200 digital download games). And the lack of console like simplicity and stability.
sendit
Member
They will either provide local emulation or have a streaming option to access your catalog on all platforms. Either way, you're taking that risk when investing in a digital catalog (like myself).
ResilientBanana
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That's basically what the Xbox is.
RickMasters
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Streaming is not there yet. But I suppose local emulation is the best option. They are still gonna need their own hardware to do that, just like now. I don’t see them porting every single game we own digitally on Xbox to work on PC, of course in some cases they could give us the PC version aswell like they do now…… but that will never be something they would apply to third party games ( I’d imagine most of your digital games are 3rd party)
And yeah, like yourself I’m all digital. I’d imagine most Xbox owners are. The onus is MS to make sure these games run natively on hardware. We already invested so much ( I been fully digital since the second half of the x360s life span.)