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[demigod]

So close to the ps4 with literally 0 competition isn't a big flex i don't think. How close to the ps4 worldwide are they?

Morning. If you read my posts I was saying hardware sales Sony are killing it, is the software sales that is concerning. Especially for third party but even first party is down.

I'm more concerned about those celebrating these numbers while we see state of plays consistently failing to deliver.

It's like the xbox users are moving over to ps5 and feeling completely at home with such a weak first party release schedule and declining software sales.

A good fit, I guess.

/jokes

This you my G?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I'm not spinning it, I'm just saying what the data shows.

I agree with you. It just shows that sonys release schedule is showing signs of not having the big hitters we have seen before.

No, it just means they had a light quarter in terms of first party releases, this was acknowledged well ahead of time by Sony and they said subsequent years will return to having more AAA games …like what we have for this year

 

[demigod]

I told you your estimates for Xbox were a bit overly generous...

I’ve been telling him the same thing, lol.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ps5-pro-officially-announced-releasing-nov-7th-price-699-99-€-799-99-¥119-980.1674796/post-269569487




Are you getting ready Banjo64

Banjo64

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

The way people are trying to downplay SIE monstrous numbers is hilarious by itself.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

When it's all said and done, do you think the PS5 will be 5-10 million behind the PS4, or 5-10 million ahead in lifetime units?

Post GTA6 release figures will give us a clearer indication

 

[Klayzer]

Live look at Team FUD...

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

The usual suspects making asses of themselves as they desperately try to downplay these monstrous numbers from Sony lol.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Posts GTA6 release figures will give us a clearer indication

I expect MAUs for Q3-2025 to reach levels of around 140 million units if not more... Net new users suggests Xbox gamers are moving over. This is in line with their historically bad quarter.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Makes sense.

They are not making any games, just investing in experimental GAAS.

That should increase profits.

Not sure why fanboys are getting excited.

 

[jm89]

The usual suspects making asses of themselves as they desperately try to downplay these monstrous numbers from Sony lol.

They had their speeches ready. But gonna have to bin them now

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Makes sense.

They are not making any games, just investing in experimental GAAS.

That should increase profits.

Not sure why fanboys are getting excited.

 

[cebri.one]

 

[Klayzer]

Makes sense.

They are not making any games, just investing in experimental GAAS.

That should increase profits.

Not sure why fanboys are getting excited.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

How?

This point is being made since time immemorial. “Look at our sales”.

Usually it used to come alongside games. These days its just sales. Games be damned.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Q3 sales

Hardware - 9,5M (+16% YoY)
Software - 95,9M (+7% YoY)

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

They had their speeches ready. But gonna have to bin them now

Back to the Discords for another emergency meeting

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Back to the Discords for another emergency meeting

Aaron G is in panic mode so it will take some time

 

[Edmund]

Plummeting to the depths of hell.

Where's my man @DenchDeckard that kept asking for numbers? I hope you're happy.

He's in another thread talking about how Nintendo makes more money than playstation. Lol.

 

[Haint]

Seriously though, how and where are they writing down the many hundreds of millions (if not billions) on all their canceled Live Service games? Concord, Factions, Bend, Bluepoint, Deviation, Horizon MMO, Twisted Metal, etc.... There was some very serious money flushed down the toilet on all these, how are they hiding it? They haven't had anything outrageously successful enough offset all of them.

 

[peish]

At this rate ps5 will never reach 100 million. Will seems like a flop or lost generation with expensive hardware and tons of lazy remasters stop gaps

Until a price cuts,they will pray that gta6 is good enough, no diversive woke shit to kick start gaming again

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Seriously though, how and where are they writing down the many hundreds of millions on all their canceled Live Service games?

Because when you make 12B in profit, even a $400M loss (bs number) is chump change

 

[Ashamam]

At this rate ps5 will never reach 100 million. Will seems like a flop or lost generation with expensive hardware and tons of lazy remasters stop gaps

Until a price cuts,they will pray that gta6 is good enough, no diversive woke shit to kick start gaming again

Are you high? I mean I appreciate the light moderation but it does sometimes invite the trolls.

 

[cebri.one]

The usual suspects making asses of themselves as they desperately try to downplay these monstrous numbers from Sony lol.

where, need links to laugh

 

[Thief1987]

At this rate ps5 will never reach 100 million. Will seems like a flop or lost generation with expensive hardware and tons of lazy remasters stop gaps

Until a price cuts,they will pray that gta6 is good enough, no diversive woke shit to kick start gaming again

Are you ok?

 

[TrippleA345]

Q3 sales

Hardware - 9,5M (+16% YoY)
Software - 95,9M (+7% YoY)

in my opinion, they should have shown those two big games yesterday,
on the other hand, these numbers are a slap in the face for some ambassadors

 

[onQ123]

9.5M is the highest PS5 has ever sold in a single quarter.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ps5-pro-officially-announced-releasing-nov-7th-price-699-99-€-799-99-¥119-980.1674796/post-269569487




Are you getting ready Banjo64

Lol

 

[Haint]

Because when you make 12B in profit, even a $400M loss (bs number) is chump change

It's not just Concord though, they've had damn near all their team working on live services for the past 4 or 5 years and have canceled almost all of them.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

I told you your estimates for Xbox were a bit overly generous...

Maybe by a small amount but my estimates are still 2.5 million less than Welfare's, he is usually correct but his Xbox Series estimates are way too high, mine are slightly too high.

 

[MacReady13]

Because when you make 12B in profit, even a $400M loss (bs number) is chump change

You keep saying it's a BS number yet a couple of journalists have heard that number is quite close to the mark. Not too certain why you feel the need to defend Sony like you own the fucking company... They lost hundreds of millions of dollars on that piece of shit. Simple enough for you?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Seriously though, how and where are they writing down the many hundreds of millions (if not billions) on all their canceled Live Service games? Concord, Factions, Bend, Bluepoint, Deviation, Horizon MMO, Twisted Metal, etc.... There was some very serious money flushed down the toilet on all these, how are they hiding it? They haven't had anything so outrageously successful to offset all of them.

Because most of them where cancelled before the active development phase, Concord budget is overblown and stretched in multiple FY spending, some things are retooled and not a complete loss, plus $100-200mil is a pocket change for corporation the size of Sony. If anything, people that yapping about fictional Concord budget should look and Sony Pictures as the main loss-leader.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Maybe by a small amount but my estimates are still 2.5 million less than Welfare's, he is usually correct but his Xbox Series estimates are way too high, mine are slightly too high.

I'd suggest you both take a closer look at your estimates. A lot of people cite both of you and standards have been created based on those estimates, as well as narratives.

Welfare is well off and it has been obvious for quarters at this point without revision.

 

[Skifi28]

You keep saying it's a BS number yet a couple of journalists have heard that number is quite close to the mark.

Are they the same journalists that heard from reputable sources Sony had a secret deal for Wukong exclusivity?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Because when you make 12B in profit, even a $400M loss (bs number) is chump change

People have overstated Sony's investment in GaaS, particularly Concord.

More importantly, single player games have no long term return without live service elements. So even if they had invested in single player, it wouldn't have resulted in much difference.

The biggest loss we've had is Factions. Respectfully, no one cares about Bend and Bluepoint's canceled games. Deviation games' having a canceled game means less than nothing.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Alright, who’s drinking everybody’s milk??

 

[Muddy]

It's not just Concord though, they've had damn near all their team working on live services for the past 4 or 5 years and have canceled almost all of them.

That so called wasted money including the 400 million wasn’t spend in a single year.

It was spread across many years. It simply never affected them cause of the huge revenue they are making yearly.

 

[onQ123]

Seriously though, how and where are they writing down the many hundreds of millions (if not billions) on all their canceled Live Service games? Concord, Factions, Bend, Bluepoint, Deviation, Horizon MMO, Twisted Metal, etc.... There was some very serious money flushed down the toilet on all these, how are they hiding it? They haven't had anything outrageously successful enough offset all of them.

HellDivers II

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

People have overstated Sony's investment in GaaS, particularly Concord.

More importantly, single player games have no long term return without live service elements. So even if they had invested in single player, it wouldn't have resulted in much difference.

The biggest loss we've had is Factions. Respectfully, no one cares about Bend and Bluepoint's canceled games. Deviation games' having a canceled game means less than nothing.

Plus people are bad at understanding the production stages. Most of GaaS were cancelled before they went into full production, so in that regard I guess Bungie expertise payed for itself tenfold.

 

[Haint]

Because most of them where cancelled before the active development phase, Concord budget is overblown and stretched in multiple FY spending, some things are retooled and not a complete loss, plus $100-200mil is a pocket change for corporation the size of Sony. If anything, people that yapping about fictional Concord budget should look and Sony Pictures as the main loss-leader.

The vast majority were several years long endeavors, few if any of them were canceled in prototype or planning stages. Concord, Factions, Bend, and Deviation were all certainly 3-4+ years with full teams, at this point it seems very likely Bluepoint was as well. Spiderman, Twisted Metal, and Horizon MMO were probably the ones canceled in the earliest phases, but even they were probably way beyond prototype and planning stages.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

The vast majority were several years long endeavors, few if any of them were canceled in prototype or planning stages. Concord, Factions, Bend, and Deviation were certainly all 3+ years with full teams, at this point it seems very likely Bluepoint was as well. Spiderman, Twisted Metal, and Horizon MMO were probably the ones canceled in the earliest phases, but even they were probably way beyond prototype and planning stages.

You have absolutley no idea lol. Pre-prod could easily take 2+ years, especially for a service title. Plus those teams were helping with other PS titles while core team were busy with a cancelled game.

 

[Klayzer]

HellDivers II

 

[peish]

Are you ok?

Idk, ps5 coming 5 years old, and it seems to hit the mud and sales aren’t super accelerating like older ps consoles. Gaming markets supposedly grow bigger over time, I would expect ps5 to close to 100m units by end of year to look successful

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Idk, ps5 coming 5 years old, and it seems to hit the mud and sales aren’t super accelerating like older ps consoles. Gaming markets supposedly grow bigger over time, I would expect ps5 to close to 100m units by end of year to look successful

Aren’t super accelerating?

Hasn’t it just had a better 4th year than PS1, PS3 and PS4 did?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Idk, ps5 coming 5 years old, and it seems to hit the mud and sales aren’t super accelerating like older ps consoles. Gaming markets supposedly grow bigger over time, I would expect ps5 to close to 100m units by end of year to look successful

The Reach never was this epic, including one in Halo

 

[TrippleA345]

op thats from 2024 Z zedinen

Spoiler: wrong slides

 

[tmlDan]

Idk, ps5 coming 5 years old, and it seems to hit the mud and sales aren’t super accelerating like older ps consoles. Gaming markets supposedly grow bigger over time, I would expect ps5 to close to 100m units by end of year to look successful

Legit, wtf are you even saying, console sales NEVER accelerate over time during its entire lifecycle. Especially not after its halfway point.

 

[Skifi28]

??????????????????

To be fair, Concord has had more engagement than any game I know of. Mostly on GAF.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Their first party software sales results are... super bad. Concerning after all the money they poured on first party titles since 4 years ago. Shouldn' people get fired? It's a disaster. Maybe they are not investing correctly their money... I dunno I am not an expert.

 

[Ronin_7]

Rip SONY.

 

[tmlDan]

Their first party software sales results are... super bad. Concerning after all the money they poured on first party titles since 4 years ago. Shouldn' people get fired? It's a disaster. Maybe they are not investing correctly their money... I dunno I am not an expert.

They’re making more money, you definitely are not an expert.