ResilientBanana
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Contracts run out. Also, they are in sustain mode now.
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Marvel Rivals director and a bunch of staff laid off according to reports
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nial
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No one cares about your dumb East vs. West war. My initial post wasn't even about that.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Game is already a monumental success, why fire the devs? This is some crazy shit. I remember studying a bit of game development back in the day because I wanted to be a dev. I’m glad I didn’t go through with it and had the good sense to change my major. This is madness.
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Dr. Samuel Hayden
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>american team shitcanned
Based
Based
ChorizoPicozo
Member
It's not about that you dummy
ReyBrujo
Member
Wow, savage.
nial
Member
Western studios don't have outsourced foreign work being part of the core design development process of a project. Naughty Dog isn't having Zhang Wei from Virtuos as a lead game designer on Intergalactic.
The last sentence of your previous post proves where you want to go, a direction that I, honestly, don't care to be part of. Discuss that with someone else.
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ReyBrujo
Member
A game is delayed only after the devs have had 12 hours shifts and 6 work days per week and still they can't finish, it doesn't matter if it is in China or US.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
What's the particular function of the laid-off team? If they were let go, only two options:
- They weren't any longer needed.
- There was some controversy between the team leader and the company.
Companies are ruthless but they aren't so stupid as to fire essential staff, more so when the game is succeeding.
- They weren't any longer needed.
- There was some controversy between the team leader and the company.
Companies are ruthless but they aren't so stupid as to fire essential staff, more so when the game is succeeding.
RafterXL
Member
I hate how fast this nonsense has spread. The director of this game is in China, with the rest of his team. Netease closed the western *support* studio that helped work on the game. This guy was the director of his studio, not the director of this game.
BTW, companies do this shit all the time. Unless they had another project for this team to work on, there is no reason to keep them around doing nothing. It has nothing to do with China, EA or Microsoft or Sony would, and have done, the same things.
BTW, companies do this shit all the time. Unless they had another project for this team to work on, there is no reason to keep them around doing nothing. It has nothing to do with China, EA or Microsoft or Sony would, and have done, the same things.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Yeah not sure why this is considered news
Icymanipulator
Member
Internet sensationalism, click bait.
Also I love how it riled some people up in this thread exposing both their lack of knowledge about how businesses operate, and their blatant hate.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
In this very thread you have examples as to why. The narrative is crystal clear.
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
It shouldn't be news
It sounds like support staff were needed to make the game and were let go when they completed their task
Nickolaidas
Member
Good. Fuck'em.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
You get triggered too easily. yikes.
but the point still remains and it's valid. The people fired were just a support studio/team-contract work. (it doesn't matter if they are Western..right?)
Ubisoft shuts down a support studio and lays off 185 workers
Ubisoft's cost-cutting measures continue as it's closing another studio and laying off an additional 185 employees in several locations.
www.engadget.com
Helldivers 2 support studio Toadman Interactive to shut offices in Sweden and Norway
Toadman Interactive - an original and work-for-hire studio - has announced it is closing its offices in Stockholm, Visb…
www.gamesindustry.biz
Nickolaidas
Member
Would make a better game if they did.
Spiral1407
Member
This is the same guy who mouthed off about how they're amazing and not like the Concord guys.
Honestly kind of ironic he meets their same fate too.
Marvel Rivals Dev Explains Why Concord Flopped
Marvel Rivals game director Thaddeus Sasser reckons that Concord bombed because it “didn’t bring any unique value” to players, but added that it’s hard to predict whether a game will be a success or a failure. Sasser was specifically asked about Concord in an interview with VideoGamer ahead of...www.yahoo.com
ChuckeRearmed
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Western gamedev is just too expensive.
Nickolaidas
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Da1337Vinci
Member
The foundation is there so maybe just no need for them anymore and if they are needed later on just hire them as consultant.
nial
Member
You get triggered too easily. yikes.
but the point still remains and it's valid. The people fired were just a support studio/team-contract work. (it doesn't matter if they are Western..right?)
Ubisoft shuts down a support studio and lays off 185 workers
Ubisoft's cost-cutting measures continue as it's closing another studio and laying off an additional 185 employees in several locations.Helldivers 2 support studio Toadman Interactive to shut offices in Sweden and Norway
Toadman Interactive - an original and work-for-hire studio - has announced it is closing its offices in Stockholm, Visb…
I'm here wondering what in the world companies laying-off contractors (which isn't exclusive to the Western world, btw) has to do with a company laying-off its foreign staff that was actually involved in the design aspect of a project.
What I previously said alone discounts your Helldivers 2 example, as Toadman Interactive wasn't owned by Arrowhead and/or Sony.
Ubisoft? It's shitty, but they at least said that it was a cost-cutting effort amongst a concerningly bloated company. This is literally different from NetEase SPECIFICALLY targeting the American staff of the development team of an EXTREMELY popular game for, dare I say, no reason at all?
Kacho
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What an interesting guy. Loved hearing him say movie companies destroyed their value with streaming. It's so true.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
The problem is that tens if not hundreds of thousands give it a shot very year in indie land and success is in single digits.
nial
Member
I think one of the two directors of the game being a contractor would be a bit fucked up by itself.
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RoboFu
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nial
Member
I've heard of designers and all, but directors? Not sure, but maybe I'm not aware of any case.IDK that is par for the course in software development these days.
Barakov
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So it's a nothing burger? Good to hear.
Guardian Monkey
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diffusionx
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If you’re playing Black Ops 6, you’ll see that is pretty much what is happening. A lot of the shit looks abhorrent and is clearly AI generated.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
They stated that they were sort of a R&D branch. which is weird. And it's clear, they were not at the same level of importance as the main team in China.
Support teams/studios are not fundamental, which is the point.
support team/studio. who are these dudes?...no the main ones, thats for sure
MayauMiao
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So are any other companies regardless of nationalities.
Blaming China is a bullshit excuse.
nial
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One was the fucking game director (one of the two general directors of the game), and the other is an actual level designer. We're not talking about some programming or assets creation support staff here.
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Astray
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I will always have sympathy for anyone losing their job as long as they didn't hurt others. But this guy really should have known better than to shit on people in his profession like that.
Donald mac Ronald
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Fuck china.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ChorizoPicozo
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I don't think that's how NetEase sees this dude, which is the point I made, but you got so triggered.
Let's assume he was the actual fucking game director... how do you then justify NetEase being able to afford to get rid of him?
.Because he was expendable, he was just an employee, his "vision" as a "director" can be replaced.
nial
Member
Your point is defending a shitty action for literally no reason.
The "let's assume" as if he wasn't is pretty damn crazy of your part.
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ChorizoPicozo
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im not defending shit. im saying that this is very common (bellular video) and Bobby's statements paint a picture where the Western industry is losing competitiveness and relevance.
but oh boy, oh boy, you got so damn triggered about it.
But, but, but... he was the director! The core team and the publisher are Chinese, and as far as we know, they could be using Western developers as a way to learn faster, improve quickly; just like Western developers use cheap labor to produce a large volume of assets
Again, at the risk of triggering you, we are dealing with a Chinese company (we don't know their idiosyncrasies). Does a "game director" hold the same weight as here?
Angry_Megalodon
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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Blizzard/Microsoft did the exact same thing a similar thing to Netease last year when they pulled their contract after Diablo Immortal launched/stabilized.
What world do you all live in where if a game makes money that means that everyone stays on forever until the end of time in complete harmonious bliss? Contracts expire, prices increase, negations are an important of working with multiple (domestic or international) teams on large scale projects.
What world do you all live in where if a game makes money that means that everyone stays on forever until the end of time in complete harmonious bliss? Contracts expire, prices increase, negations are an important of working with multiple (domestic or international) teams on large scale projects.
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