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Media Create Sales: Week 23, 2015 (Jun 1 - Jun 7)

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Pennywise83

Banned
duckroll said:
I think first party platform holders are obviously more lenient about continuing franchises. I was just commenting on how people are celebrating this like it's a huge success. It's not. The game is doing well given the circumstances, but if this is the greatest success of the year for Nintendo, then it's a pretty shitty year!
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Who, among MC threads frequent posters, said Splatoon is a huge success?

I think many people here, me included, are surprised by the numbers it's pulling in Japan, both in absolute terms (new IP potentially selling 400-500k is not bad at all) and relative terms (it's on Wii U, better than Pikmin and Super Mario 3D World, better than other new successful new IPs such as Bloodborne). Also, sell-through signals an on-going interest for the game, which is good, since we're approaching Summer and the game might keep selling well until September.

I was curious, as well, to know which 2-3m new IPs (comparable to Splatoon) were shut down. Maybe Alan Wake? Pikmin 1 and 2 sold less than 2m worldwide (when Nintendo was in a stronger position) and a new entry was released in 2013, plus some remastered editions that sold quite well.
 
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shinra-bansho

Member
I'm not sure why qualifiers such as "new IP" "comparable" "first party" and so on are being added to the statement that publishers have cancelled franchises that sell in the 2-3M range to contextualise Splatoon doing okay for what it is, but not particularly amazing in the grand scheme.

They have. Various Capcom franchises come to mind. Others are basically being morphed into lower risk models, like downloadable F2P.

10M is the new 5M. 2-3M is the new 1M. It's basically why Japanese publishers have fallen behind the curve.

EDIT: This of course, isn't the likely fate of something like Splatoon.
 
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duckroll

Member
Pennywise83 said:
I was curious, as well, to know which 2-3m new IPs (comparable to Splatoon) were shut down. Maybe Alan Wake? Pikmin 1 and 2 sold less than 2m worldwide (when Nintendo was in a stronger position) and a new entry was released in 2013, plus some remastered editions that sold quite well.
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I wasn't really thinking of new IPs so much as how 2-3 million isn't a lot in the larger scheme of things. Stuff like Dead Space and Dead Rising are good examples of games which aren't super expensive (relatively!) and lasted several entries, but publishers didn't really feel they were super worthwhile anymore.
 
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Pennywise83

Banned
shinra-bansho said:
I'm not sure why qualifiers such as "new IP" "comparable" "first party" and so on are being added to the statement that publishers have cancelled franchises that sell in the 2-3M range to contextualise Splatoon doing okay for what it is, but not particularly amazing in the grand scheme.

They have. Various Capcom franchises come to mind. Others are basically being morphed into lower risk models, like downloadable F2P.

10M is the new 5M. 2-3M is the new 1M. It's basically why Japanese publishers have fallen behind the curve.

EDIT: This of course, isn't the likely fate of something like Splatoon.
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duckroll said:
I wasn't really thinking of new IPs so much as how 2-3 million isn't a lot in the larger scheme of things. Stuff like Dead Space and Dead Rising are good examples of games which aren't super expensive (relatively!) and lasted several entries, but publishers didn't really feel they were super worthwhile anymore.
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Honestly, I fail to see how those Capcom and EA franchises can be even remotely comparable to Splatoon. They were not, of course, AAA releases such as Call of Duty of Grand Theft Auto, but they were released on multiple platforms (or they became multiplatforms), had large teams, and their history was basically the same: publishers were happy of the results of the first entry (though with not-so-high sales, around 2m indeed), and then were probably less happy with the second entry. Dead Space was turned into a Gears of War rip-off, while Dead Rising became a MS exclusive (and Lost Planet was given to a bad Western team). They were shut down or put in hybernation because the risk of developing another one were too high / worthwhile.

The importance of Splatoon, as I have already written, is in showing how Nintendo can still be launch a new IP that is somehow successful. It's doing better numbers than Pikmin in a much more difficult market for Nintendo. It also shows that new internal developers are able to sell even outside the traditional franchises, which is all good.

Sales of course cannot be huge because of Wii U is in a bad position. I suspect, though, that if Splatoon were released on Wii it would have sold A LOT.
 
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Pennywise83

Banned
duckroll said:
The new anime doesn't start until next month...
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The fact that DBH:UM2 has been reappearing in the weekly chart since late May led me think that, even if the anime is starting next month, there might already be some anticipation which might drive some game sales.
 
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hiska-kun

Member
Pennywise83 said:
The fact that DBH:UM2 has been reappearing in the weekly chart since late May led me think that, even if the anime is starting next month, there might already be some anticipation which might drive some game sales.
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The Sell-through blog reported a slower start than DBH:UM entries, but he hoped for better sales during the weekend.

Some other blogs reported slow first day sales too.
 
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Vena

Member
Japanese Splatfest for Splatoon brought the servers to their knees, lol. It also killed matchmaking in EU before NA woke up.

Gives us a decent glimpse into the population distribution for Splatoon.
 
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Vena

Member
BishopLamont said:
how?
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It became hard to find matches in EU times without Japan overlapping and NA being asleep? When NA/Japan overlap its immediate, even without Japan, NA times can form matches fast. EU on its own when NA was asleep and Japan was in Splatfest, was underpopulated.
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
21./06. [PSV] Cross Ange: Tenshi to Ryuu no Rondo tr. <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.05.28} (¥7.171)
22./19. [PS4] Earth Defense Force 4.1: The Shadow of New Despair <ACT> (D3 Publisher) {2015.04.02} (¥7.538)
23./22. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Shin Uchi <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.12.13} (¥4.968)
24./07. [3DS] Downtown Nekketsu Jidaigeki <ACT> (Arc System Works) {2015.05.28} (¥4.860)
25./17. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission 2 <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.08.07} (¥6.145)
26./23. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (¥7.776)
27./24. [PS4] Dying Light <ADV> (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2015.04.16} (¥8.208)
28./16. [PS4] Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster <Final Fantasy X \ Final Fantasy X-2> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.05.14} (¥7.344)
29./27. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (¥6.264)
30./26. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800)
31./31. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2015 <SPT> (Konami) {2015.03.26} (¥8.208)
32./33. [PSV] Pro Baseball Spirits 2015 <SPT> (Konami) {2015.03.26} (¥7.538)
33./21. [3DS] Bravely Second: End Layer <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.04.23} (¥6.458)
34./30. [PSV] God Eater 2: Rage Burst <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.02.19} (¥6.145)
35./29. [WIU] Xenoblade Chronicles X # <RPG> (Nintendo) {2015.04.29} (¥8.316)
36./34. [WIU] Dragon Quest X: Inishie no Ryuu no Denshou Online <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.04.30} (¥4.104)
37./32. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Lost Song # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.03.26} (¥6.664)
38./38. [3DS] LEGO City Undercover: The Chase Begins <ADV> (Nintendo) {2015.03.05} (¥5.076)
39./36. [3DS] Theatrhythm Dragon Quest <ACT> (Square Enix) {2015.03.26} (¥6.264)
40./39. [3DS] Sumikko Gurashi: Koko ga Ochitsukundesu <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2014.11.20} (¥5.184)
41./40. [3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.01.11} (¥4.800)
42./37. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2015.02.14} (¥5.076)
43./41. [3DS] Xenoblade Chronicles 3D |new 3DS| <RPG> (Nintendo) {2015.04.02} (¥3.996)
44./35. [3DS] Future Card Buddy Fight: Yuujou no Jounetsu Fight! <TBL> (FuRyu) {2015.04.16} (¥5.378)
45./48. [PS3] Dragon Ball: Xenoverse <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.02.05} (¥7.690)
46./14. [PSV] Possession Magenta # <ADV> (C-Territory) {2015.05.28} (¥7.344)
47./50. [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V # <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2014.12.11} (¥7.992)
48./43. [PSV] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.03.26} (¥7.344)
49./46. [3DS] Tomodachi Life # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} (¥4.800)
50./42. [PSV] Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.03.12} (¥7.171)
00./00. [PS4] Watch Dogs <ADV> (Ubisoft) {2014.06.26} (¥9.072) - * / 99.000

Top 50

3DS - 24
PSV - 10
PS4 - 7
WIU - 6
PS3 - 3

SOFTWARE
Code: 
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
|  ALL  |    357.000 |    466.000 |    595.000 | 14.073.000 | 17.244.000 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
 
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BishopLamont

Banned
Vena said:
It became hard to find matches in EU times without Japan overlapping and NA being asleep? When NA/Japan overlap its immediate, even without Japan, NA times can form matches fast. EU on its own when NA was asleep and Japan was in Splatfest, was underpopulated.
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oh i see, yeah it seems eu is the weakest at the moment
 
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horuhe

Member
They are out of Rhythm Heaven stock in Bic Camera Hachioji, and advise people to get the download codes instead.

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L~A

Member
hiska-kun said:
GamesMaya keeps reporting great sales for Splatoon and Rhythm Heaven.
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Well, that's some great news.

By the way, CoroCoro confirms the second Yo-kai Watch movie will come out on December 19th in Japan. Guess we can expect Yo-kai Watch 3 on December 5th then.
 
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JoeM86

Member
L~A said:
Well, that's some great news.

By the way, CoroCoro confirms the second Yo-kai Watch movie will come out on December 19th in Japan. Guess we can expect Yo-kai Watch 3 on December 5th then.
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Yep, especially as USApyon is a big part of the movie
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
YSO predictions

Week 25, 2015 (June 15 - June 21)

[3DS] Rhythm Heaven: The Best+ < 70k
[3DS] Return to PoPoLoCrois: A Story of Seasons Fairytale < 60k
[PS4] Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition < 40k
[WIU] Splatoon < 40k
 
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Sammy Samusu

Member
Sammy Samusu said:
Top 5 best selling games on Amazon in 2015 (so far):

#1 Dragon Quest Heroes (PS3)
#2 Majora's Mask 3D (3DS)
#3 Tales of Zestiria (PS3)
#4 Splatoon (Wii U)
#5 Dragon Quest Heroes (PS4)
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Looks like it's already time for an update!

Top 5 best selling games on Amazon in 2015 (so far):

#1 Splatoon (Wii U)
#2 Dragon Quest Heroes (PS3)
#3 Majora's Mask 3D (3DS)
#4 Tales of Zestiria (PS3)
#5 Nintendo 3DS AC Adapter

Splatoon storming the charts! It's currently sold out on Amazon (new stock on June 17). Fully available at Yodobashi. :)
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Is that the debut or second week for PoPoLoCrois.

At this rate Splatoon could have a shot at the shooter crown LTD.
 
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casiopao

Member
Lol, with Smash Bros huge DLC announced, does it going to be able to give any effect towards Smash Bros 3DS or Wii U sales here.^_^

Ryu especially is a very major character there. Not to mention he actually had special command input style for the character.^_^
 
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random25

Member
Glad for Splatoon sales. If the game continues to be hot sales-wise, it could become a new million seller for the Wii U at the end of this year, and Japanese gaming in general.
 
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Cipherr

Member
Pennywise83 said:
I think he was referring to worldwide numbers.

Many IPs were shut down for doing 2-3 million, but how many were comparable to Splatoon in terms of development, advertisement, installed base?
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I dont see how what other publishers do with their franchises compares to Nintendo at all. If we made those comparisons we would have yearly Mario Karts after the Wii version sold like 25 million. Nintendo doesn't follow other publishers leads when it comes to treatment of IP. So I wouldn't expect them to now either.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Since we're 10 days out, here's an update on Mobius.

iOS (iPhone):

mobius44lsxu.png
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It's not the kind of instant sustained (for the first month) top 10 success like we saw with Million Arthur, Final Fantasy Record Keeper, or Dragon Quest Monsters: Super Light, but this is still well within the bounds where you see those titles go these days.

If we're here 10 days from now and see it at 40 and 10 more days see it at 60, things are probably going south. So far I don't think it's a concern though.

To my understanding, iPad sales are pretty small in Japan, so I usually don't make charts of those.

Android:

mobiusad04su8.png
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Here we see a very significant recovery from its slow start. I wonder if the did a delayed initial marketing push to help keep the stress down on their servers.
 
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Vena

Member
Nirolak said:
Since we're 10 days out, here's an update on Mobius.

iOS (iPhone):

It's not the kind of instant sustained (for the first month) top 10 success like we saw with Million Arthur, Final Fantasy Record Keeper, or Dragon Quest Monsters: Super Light, but this is still well within the bounds where you see those titles go these days.

If we're here 10 days from now and see it at 40 and 10 more days see it at 60, things are probably going south. So far I don't think it's a concern though.
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Definitely not showing signs of a top-10 killer release, and if it falls off fast I some what worry about how Sqeenix will view this as it is a pretty high profile release from them from the graphical and staff side of things. I wonder how its budget (initial) compares to the killer-10.

What I've heard of the title is mixed at best, boring/monotonous at worst.
 
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vinnygambini

Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Tizoc said:
When was Persona 4 Dancing supposed to release in Japan again?
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Same time as Fire Emblem If.

Mess.

Should have launched the week after. It would of had the week for itself (though it then would of launched in Q2 instead of Q1)..
 
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Alrus

Member
I don't think there is that much of an overlap between rhythm games and FE games so I'd say both will do fine.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Vena said:
Definitely not showing signs of a top-10 killer release, and if it falls off fast I some what worry about how Sqeenix will view this as it is a pretty high profile release from them from the graphical and staff side of things. I wonder how its budget (initial) compares to the killer-10.

What I've heard of the title is mixed at best, boring/monotonous at worst.
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Their other three biggest hit games (sans Record Keeper, which is by DeNA) are actually all 3D with pretty good production values.
 
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Fisico

Member
Alrus said:
I don't think there is that much of an overlap between rhythm games and FE games so I'd say both will do fine.
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There's a big one
waifu
.

More seriously P4D is clearly aimed at the audience who bought Persona games, it just happened to be a spin-off rythm game but the vast majority of buyers will still be gamers who play JRPG so there's some kind of overlap between the next mainline Fire Emblem and "oh a spin off of Persona yet again, I might buy it but Fire Emblem is more tempting right now".

Not a huge overlap per see, but it certainly won't help P4D sales (no to mention the double version of If which will hurt the wallet)
 
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Moor-Angol

Banned
COMG weekly June 8 - June 14, 2015

01. [3DS] Rhythm heaven The Best plus - 223pt
02. [3DS] Dragon Ball Z ultra Ultimate Fighter - 152pt
03. [WiiU] Splatoon - 106pt
04. [Vita] The Legend of Heroes Sora no Kiseki FC Evolution (combined) - 39pt
05. [PS4] ALIEN: ISOLATION - 20pt
06. [Vita] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition - 19pt
07. [3DS] Youkai Watch 2 Ganso - 17pt
08. [PS3] Gundam Breaker 2 - 16pt
09. [3DS] Stella Glow - 15pt
10. [3DS] GIRLS MODE 3 - 11pt
11. [Vita] Shiren Mystery Dungeon 5 plus - 9pt
12. [3DS] PUZZLE & DRAGONS SUPER MARIO BROS EDITION - 9pt
13. [3DS] Hatsune Miku Project mirai Deluxe - 8pt
14. [PS4] The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt - 7pt
15. [Vita] Sword Art Online - Hollow fragment - 6pt
16. [PS3] Minecraft (US import) - 6pt
17. [3DS] Assassination Classroom - 6pt
18. [PS4] Dynasty Warriors 7 with Mosho-den - 5pt
19. [PS4] Natsuiro High School &#9733; 90210 (not beverly hills) - 5pt



iirc last week Splatoon had <100pt, Youkai Watch 2 and Gundam Breaker 2 probably had some sales-off
 
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horuhe

Member
Moor-Angol said:
COMG weekly June 8 - June 14, 2015

01. [3DS] Rhythm heaven The Best plus - 223pt
02. [3DS] Dragon Ball Z ultra Ultimate Fighter - 152pt
03. [WiiU] Splatoon - 106pt
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This bump in COMG! stores only can mean that the game is going to hold that 50k next week, and that's pretty impressive.

Extreme Butouden overperforming in COMG! while it will bomb anyway. There hasn't been good comments about the game, so the game will underperform a lot.
 
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hiska-kun

Member
Tsutaya's Ranking Week 24 2015

01./00. [3DS] Rhythm Heaven: The Best+ <ACT> (Nintendo)
02./00. [3DS] Dragon Ball Z: Extreme Butouden <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games)
03./01. [WIU] Splatoon <ACT> (Nintendo)
04./00. [PSV] The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky Evolution # <RPG> (Kadokawa Games)
05./05. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Mojang AB)
06./04. [PS4] The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt <RPG> (Spike Chunsoft)
07./02. [3DS] Stella Glow <RPG> (Sega)
08./03. [PSV] Shiren the Wanderer 5 Plus: Fortune Tower and the Dice of Fate <RPG> (Spike Chunsoft)
09./09. [3DS] Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition <RPG> (GungHo Online Entertainment)
10./00. [PS4] Alien: Isolation <ADV> (Sega)
11./08. [3DS] Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai Deluxe <ACT> (Sega)
12./12. [3DS] Style Savvy 3: Kira Kira Code <ETC> (Nintendo)
13./11. [3DS] Assassination Classroom: Korosensei Daihouimou!! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)
14./06. [PS3] Natsuiro High School: Seishun Hakusho <ADV> (D3 Publisher)
15./10. [3DS] New Atelier Rorona: Hajimari no Monogatari - The Alchemist of Arland <RPG> (Koei Tecmo)
16./15. [3DS] Bravely Second: End Layer <RPG> (Square Enix)
17./00. [PS4] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2015 [Konami the Best] <SPT> (Konami)
18./07. [PS4] Natsuiro High School: Seishun Hakusho <ADV> (D3 Publisher)
19./14. [PS4] Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster <Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy X-2> <RPG> (Square Enix)
20./25. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Shin Uchi <RPG> (Level 5)
 
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frankie_baby

Member
Moor-Angol said:
COMG weekly June 8 - June 14, 2015

01. [3DS] Rhythm heaven The Best plus - 223pt
02. [3DS] Dragon Ball Z ultra Ultimate Fighter - 152pt
03. [WiiU] Splatoon - 106pt
04. [Vita] The Legend of Heroes Sora no Kiseki FC Evolution (combined) - 39pt
05. [PS4] ALIEN: ISOLATION - 20pt
06. [Vita] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition - 19pt
07. [3DS] Youkai Watch 2 Ganso - 17pt
08. [PS3] Gundam Breaker 2 - 16pt
09. [3DS] Stella Glow - 15pt
10. [3DS] GIRLS MODE 3 - 11pt
11. [Vita] Shiren Mystery Dungeon 5 plus - 9pt
12. [3DS] PUZZLE & DRAGONS SUPER MARIO BROS EDITION - 9pt
13. [3DS] Hatsune Miku Project mirai Deluxe - 8pt
14. [PS4] The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt - 7pt
15. [Vita] Sword Art Online - Hollow fragment - 6pt
16. [PS3] Minecraft (US import) - 6pt
17. [3DS] Assassination Classroom - 6pt
18. [PS4] Dynasty Warriors 7 with Mosho-den - 5pt
19. [PS4] Natsuiro High School &#9733; 90210 (not beverly hills) - 5pt



iirc last week Splatoon had <100pt, Youkai Watch 2 and Gundam Breaker 2 probably had some sales-off
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splatoon was on 86 pts last week, could possibly we be looking at more stock and more sales for it this week then
 
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Moor-Angol

Banned
horuhe said:
Extreme Butouden overperforming in COMG! while it will bomb anyway. There hasn't been good comments about the game, so the game will underperform a lot.
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seems like it performed well also in Tsutaya stores considering it's above Splatoon on their chart
 
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Vena

Member
Nirolak said:
Their other three biggest hit games (sans Record Keeper, which is by DeNA) are actually all 3D with pretty good production values.
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Ya, you're right, it just seems to me that Mobius is a (much) higher profile title than any of their other games, but it may just be a perspective thing. The people behind it are big names and the game does look like a higher tier than the others.

Either way, I will be interested in seeing how this title does and, if possible, learning how its development compares to their other mobile titles.
 
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horuhe

Member
Moor-Angol said:
seems like it performed well also in Tsutaya stores considering it's above Splatoon on their chart
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Don't get me wrong. I mean, it will do good enough within its context, but there has been bad feedback about the game. Furthermore, Hiska wrote about some retailers reported slow sales for the game.

Possibly we will notice a drop in its second week, maybe.
 
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