Like you already pointed out there is a big disparity between those to systems regarding release schedule btw. announced titles, therefore PSV owners votes are concentrated on very few titles, while 3DS users votes are divided between many games. but obviously the positioning of the titles makes clear in what market positioning both handhelds actually are.
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Like you already pointed out there is a big disparity between those to systems regarding release schedule btw. announced titles, therefore PSV owners votes are concentrated on very few titles, while 3DS users votes are divided between many games. but obviously the positioning of the titles makes clear in what market positioning both handhelds actually are.
Guys, are we seriously considering Famitsu's Most Wanted charts too? Even ******** is more reliable, seriously. 
They consider only votes from Famitsu's readers, a quite low and very core-oriented base, so not reliable for the whole market at all.
They consider only votes from Famitsu's readers, a quite low and very core-oriented base, so not reliable for the whole market at all.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
300k just seems really high for a SMT, only 2 games we know of managed that and they both released 18 years ago. I think best case for SMT4 would be around 250k, but that's definitely well above my own expectations.I can see that it could just hover above 200k, but lifetime (of course being legs dependent), I'm a bit more confident.
I don't know why (maybe for the reasons I said? XD), I can see it closer to 300k, but I'm no expert.
For comparison, here's how Atlus' other 3DS games have done:
[3DS] Etrian Odyssey IV: Legends of the Titan (134,499)
[3DS] Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers (94,041)
[3DS] Devil Survivor: Overclocked (39,801)
StreetsAhead
Member
Guys, are we seriously considering Famitsu's Most Wanted charts too? Even ******** is more reliable, seriously.
They consider only votes from Famitsu's readers, a quite low and very core-oriented base, so not reliable for the whole market at all.
Typically the No. 1 spot　has 1,000~2,000 votes. So, yeah. Practically meaningless.
AranhaHunter
Banned
FFX HD and GE2 showing up on PSV and not on PS3/PSP is surprising, but TLOU being on that list is the most surprising thing to me. Western games outside of GTA and COD simply don't sell in Japan. Goes to show you how unreliable the list is.
Code:
Original Remake Retention
Phantasia 212,000 632,000 298%
Destiny 896,000 368,000 41%
Eternia 676,000 249,000 37%
Destiny 2 763,000 135,000 18%
Rebirth 596,000 90,000 15%
Abyss 714,000 122,000 17%
Innocence 262,000 71,000 27%
Retention = Original / Remake.I'm not sure if it Innocence not being very popular is the only reason that make Innocence R sell poorly, but it could be one of the reasons, yes.
Reminds me how they had more Wii sold than Nintendo shipped
They had the same for DS last year. It's good to see their accuracy has improved over time...
metalslimer
Member
There's nothing surprising about a Famitsu's most wanted list because it's never been even remotely accurate in painting a picture of how Japan is anticipating a title.Amazon Charts, the place that shall not be named, and Comg are about 100x more accurate. Weird how in the one place we get accurate numbers, is the one thread with the most useless barometers lol
Edit: On the bright side for SMT4, unless something changes soon in Nintendo's lineup it pretty much has the whole release slot it's in to itself.
Edit: On the bright side for SMT4, unless something changes soon in Nintendo's lineup it pretty much has the whole release slot it's in to itself.
Magicpaint
Member
Yeah, Nocturne, I think, got to around 250K so that would be best case scenario for SMTIV, but that is REALLY high today and it's only the Persona games that can guarantee that figure. SMTIV would be very impressive if it can even get to 200k.
It would be important to note that only Phantasia, Destiny and Innocence are actual remakes. The others are all ports.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Most of the games on that list are ports rather than remakes. The only Tales remakes afaik are Phantasia (PS1), Destiny (PS2), Phantasia: Narikiri Dungeon (PSP) and Innocence (PSV). And soon Hearts (PSV).
edit: beat!
metalslimer
Member
So they have managed to find their way into the weird dichotomy of useless but interesting =p
Looks like Sony is going to support Soul Sacrificr with lots of DLC post-launch.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/1...update-has-players-enter-the-body-of-a-giant/
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/1...update-has-players-enter-the-body-of-a-giant/
Very cool.
Pretty much, yeah. They aren't useful indicators of anything, but they're interesting to look at.
It would be quite good yes. But let's not forget, it's a new IP in what is right now Japan's favourite game genre, from a well known developer and with a very big backup from Sony. So in the end it wouldn't be AS surprising. Selling software is all good and always a plus, but I wonder how many Vita units this game will shift.
And Layton's situation has nothing to do with the 3DS.
michaelius
Banned
Thanks.
Between:
low quality of original
low sales of original version
low production value of remake
questionable shift of 2d to 3d
low vita userbase
I don't think 70k is that bad of a result
Captain Smoker
Member
/edit
read it wrong. ^^
read it wrong. ^^
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
For a full remake, 70k is pitiful regardless. The game looked essentially PSP level anyway, they should've released it there instead and at least broken 100k.Thanks.
Between:
low quality of original
low sales of original version
low production value of remake
questionable shift of 2d to 3d
low vita userbase
I don't think 70k is that bad of a result
Also, Innocence was always 3D. You're thinking Hearts.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Hearts was the "I wonder if Tales fans would like CG?" experiment that went horribly, horribly wrong.
While not very specific, we did have a few more developers assert they're going to be making PS4 games:
I presume by "as has been announced" he's referring to the list, but uh, since we know how lists go, I felt this was relevant.
Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-03-11-suda51-excited-by-playstation-4-possibilitiesGamesIndustry.biz said:
I presume by "as has been announced" he's referring to the list, but uh, since we know how lists go, I felt this was relevant.
I've said this before but it's interesting to me that with all the talk of the modern Persona brand being such a "phenomenon" that the new games haven't actually come close to outselling the original. There's no doubt that people are more interested in new Persona these days but it's still interesting that a chunk of the original fanbase has basically disappeared. The PSX era really was a heady time for non-blockbuster RPGs, I wonder where all those fans went.
Also really wish we had an inkling what Famicom and Super Famicom era sales were like, to see if Persona 1 is actually the franchise best.
I still don't understand why they thought it could have been a successful idea. The CG was a nightmare. :lol
For Tsutaya being accurate you must know if Soul Sacrifice had special promotions or not at the specific stores.
Comgnet, Tsutaya, vgc, Famitsu most wanted. I think we covered every irrelevant point in this thread.
electroplankton
Banned
I don't think you can talk of fanbase when it comes to the first Persona. It succeeded because it was on an healthy platform for jRPG, where several titles of the genre sold more than one million units, many of them sold over 500k units.
It is true that no recent Persona sold as much as the first entry, but you can clearly see how there does exist a fanbase nowadays, that allows a fighting game to be one of the best selling titles of the genres, that allows porting and ri-edition to sell almost as the original entries, etc.
No, we haven't yet. According to this blog, Vita Hardware sold 1.5 comparing to last week (in this store).
先週の本体実績はその前の週の1.5倍、本当に「Vita」が元気になりました。
http://gamesmaya.blog98.fc2.com/
Now we're complete.
1.5x last weeks? :O) one store but still I have a feeling it won't be too bad really.
Sony needs it. Nothing that was shown in that conference that give any indication that Japan will eat it up. Perhaps Knack, due to its aesthetics, since Disney/Pixar films usually have a faithful following there. Sony would probably held a proper conference showing Japanese-centric games before PS4 launch.
Ironically, the lack of Wii U success in the West probably means Metal Gear, FF, Fighting games etc. will be staying on PS4.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Tsutaya Shibuya had a big promotion for SS, many posters all around the shop, a corner with tv showing some rolling demos, copies of the game on it, Vita bundle information and so on, and 2 demostations with around 10 people were testing the game on launch day (i was there around 17.30)
I remember some gaffer posted some pictures last week.
But i think that was a promotion like other you can see elsewhere when a game is released, so nothing exceptional in my opinion
1.5 more or 1.5 less?
StreetsAhead
Member
The [meaningless] quote says 1.5 more.
RIP Deep Down
shinra-bansho
Member
The latter, obviously.
pieatorium
Member
it's actually impossible to sell 1.5 times less of something lol
1 times less = 0 1.5 times less = -0.5
1 times less = 0 1.5 times less = -0.5
Sammy Samusu
Member
Obviously this is not possible.
My bad for leaving that out, then again, I don't think it's ready for the launch.
Why not?
pieatorium
Member
Still plenty of time to announce things though, there are games we 100% know are coming this holiday that haven't properly been announced yet like COD,Fifa 14,BF4 etc.
I think in general Japanese pubs have shorter lead times between announce and release than western pubs too. Sqaure Enix seems to be pretty bad at this both for their Japanese and western stuff though, Tomb Raider was first shown off almost 2 years ago.
I would expect to see some of the stuff that is big in the west get a focus at E3, MGS and FF for sure and perhaps a Capcom fighting game. If Soul Caliber isn't dead we might see or hear something from that in the near future i would hope.
I think so too. Shit's really disappointing. Mainline SMT deserves to sell better.
Do you think mainline FF, Metal Gear, etc.. would be coming to Wii U even if it was selling gangbusters? I think those teams are firmly in the "can't wait to show you what we can do with 8GB of RAM" camp.
Wii U might have a shot if the next xbox and PS4 tank horribly as well. What I meant was the western sales of Wii U strongly cemented the notion that these franchises will appear on PS4. Not disagreeing with those teams are waiting for new consoles to give these franchise a facelift either.
I am sorry, but my brain cannot even comprehend how 1.5 times less even make any logical sense.
2 things:
1) Final Fantasy will go where it goes irrespective of the Western market, as Square Enix knows that at this point, if there's still fans of the franchise left in the Americas and Europe, they'd follow it ANYWHERE, even to iOS, if required.
2) Is there any further for fighting games to go, really, except some extra polygons on the character models and better textures? The vast majority of them have decided to fall into the UNrealistic 3D arena, and there's only so much benefit that modern technology offers that.
And also: Ono will not allow Tekken to be on a platform unchallenged.
hey, no damage control allowed here
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
While I don't really disagree, at the same time I sort of wonder why all those franchises were on PSP if western sales matter so much as to dictate their destination. Same deal for Kingdom Hearts, Ace Combat, etc.
I would believe the general stereotype is.
DS --- Children / Female / Old casual farts
PSP ---- Teen / Young Adult / Dude Bro / Emo Otakus
Humorous generalization. But the demographic breakdown for publishers and creators were probably something like that.