DeepEnigma
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Microsoft, Activision Deny Report Regarding Financial Performance
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vaibhavpisal
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It needs investments, marketing etc.Soooo... they just choose not to have it?
Is it worth the cost?
Sure, if the system gets successful. But it can also backfire.
They are going for install base that is already there and buys systems without any push via marketing, exclusives etc.
Looks like a sound strategy to me.
Unknown?
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It's the latest in new wave strategy!Soooo... they just choose not to have it?
drganon
Member
Its the corporate version of "I could've gone pro if I hadn't hurt my knee".Soooo... they just choose not to have it?
nowhat
Member
I get your sentiment, but as this is post-acquisition MS we're talking about, shouldn't it be more like "I used to be a viable competitor. Then I took an arrow in the knee."
Unknown Soldier
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Amusing that Bethesda is now owned by MS so this meme is topical
phil_t98
#SonyToo
at least 34 million as of feb 24 would say a lot are interested
Xbox Game Pass subscribers 2022 | Statista
How many subscribers does Xbox Game Pass have? The gaming subscription service has over 34 million subscribers, which is fewer than comparable service PS Plus.
www.statista.com
BlackTron
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at least 34 million as of feb 24 would say a lot are interested
Xbox Game Pass subscribers 2022 | Statista
How many subscribers does Xbox Game Pass have? The gaming subscription service has over 34 million subscribers, which is fewer than comparable service PS Plus.
You are correct. A lot of people are interested because 34 million is a 'lot".
He is also correct. MS has had trouble expanding GP much beyond this ceiling, but that's not sufficient to support their plans. They underestimated and are on the backfoot.
It includes converted from Live Gold who are there just because MP is paywalled. So, much less than 34 million are really interested.at least 34 million as of feb 24 would say a lot are interested
Xbox Game Pass subscribers 2022 | Statista
How many subscribers does Xbox Game Pass have? The gaming subscription service has over 34 million subscribers, which is fewer than comparable service PS Plus.
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BlackTron
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Long sense no reason to trust them. But now it's just like the stop he's already dead meme being blasted in my face so fast I have a flash induced seizure.
Heisenberg007
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Of course they wouldn't like it. It's the kind of report that shareholders and investors take immediate notice of - that a $75 billion asset isn't performing well.
Microsoft will, as usual, bullshit their way through it, instead of sharing actual profitability data. I hope investors ask the real questions.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
at least 34 million as of feb 24 would say a lot are interested
Xbox Game Pass subscribers 2022 | Statista
How many subscribers does Xbox Game Pass have? The gaming subscription service has over 34 million subscribers, which is fewer than comparable service PS Plus.
And:
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
To be fair neither of those statements require that gamepass subscribers numbers have overall increased. But with price increases and likely increased conversions to higher tiers gamepass is likely doing ok financially for them.
They’ll likely have to give games pass numbers to investors at some point…can prob infer from that at least somewhat.
Steam at least, it spiked well with the new release but crashed hard and fast, so it seems to be experiencing some retention issues, and possibly franchise fatigue.
tTHANOSs
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Doesn't that 34 million number include 9 million xbox live gold members converted to game pass core members....at least 34 million as of feb 24 would say a lot are interested
Xbox Game Pass subscribers 2022 | Statista
How many subscribers does Xbox Game Pass have? The gaming subscription service has over 34 million subscribers, which is fewer than comparable service PS Plus.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Wow! So now it makes sense why MS wanted to deny the report.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yes!
TheGodfather07
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at least 34 million as of feb 24 would say a lot are interested
Xbox Game Pass subscribers 2022 | Statista
How many subscribers does Xbox Game Pass have? The gaming subscription service has over 34 million subscribers, which is fewer than comparable service PS Plus.
It's only 34m? That's not good at all. It was growing so fast a few years ago but now it's slowed to a crawl! That's with Bethesda games on the service and new call of duty game on launch! Terrible. What a shame because it really is a awesome subscription service.
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Humdinger
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All they said is CoD "set a record for new subs." That's not really meaningful, because of course subs would rise with CoD, but the question is do those subs stay for the long-term, or are they just going to bail after a month or two? GP has the highest churn rate in the entertainment industry. What matters is the sustained subs, not a temporary bump.
We also don't know how significant the "record setting" was. It could've just been a small increase. A 2% increase over the previous level is "record-setting."
I hear you. It must be tough to be an Xbox fan on GAF. Don't think it's limited to Xbox though. Go check out the flogging Sony is getting here:
News - PlayStation has canceled two more live-service games, from subsidiaries Bend and Bluepoint, Bloomberg has learned
I see. This fantasy is reinforced by high metascores and game awards. It hasn’t taken hold by itself. Good review scores, user scores, game awards, and sales... Basically every objective and every aggregate subjective measure you have... But I'm the one living in a fantasy.
GAF is a place with a lot of highly critical people who will ruthlessly pick apart things they don't like. It's not limited to treatment of Xbox. There are downsides to that (negativity, cynicism, hostility, alienation of people who just want to relax and enjoy themselves, etc.). But there are upsides too, the main one being that corporate bullshit gets called out pretty quickly.
Exactly it’s very easy to play with stats to paint any narrative you want. It allows them to make good sounding claims that could actually be shitAll they said is CoD "set a record for new subs." That's not really meaningful, because of course subs would rise with CoD, but the question is do those subs stay for the long-term, or are they just going to bail after a month or two? GP has the highest churn rate in the entertainment industry. What matters is the sustained subs, not a temporary bump.
We also don't know how significant the "record setting" was. It could've just been a small increase. A 2% increase over the previous level is "record-setting."
I hear you. It must be tough to be an Xbox fan on GAF. Don't think it's limited to Xbox though. Go check out the flogging Sony is getting here:
News - PlayStation has canceled two more live-service games, from subsidiaries Bend and Bluepoint, Bloomberg has learned
I see. This fantasy is reinforced by high metascores and game awards. It hasn’t taken hold by itself. Good review scores, user scores, game awards, and sales... Basically every objective and every aggregate subjective measure you have... But I'm the one living in a fantasy.www.neogaf.com
GAF is a place with a lot of highly critical people who will ruthlessly pick apart things they don't like. It's not limited to treatment of Xbox. There are downsides to that (negativity, cynicism, hostility, alienation of people who just want to relax and enjoy themselves, etc.). But there are upsides too, the main one being that corporate bullshit gets called out pretty quickly.
Hudo
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I dunno, man. There are a lot of people on here who are pretty eager to suck corporate cock.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Exactly it’s very easy to play with stats to paint any narrative you want. It allows them to make good sounding claims that could actually be shit
Yeah, they are good at that. Talk about "engagement" and MAUs. Even revenue is mostly meaningless, because it doesn't take into account expenses.
Some, yeah, but I think they are badly outnumbered by the ones who are skeptical and critical.
Yep, and 80bn is one hell of an expense
jm89
Member
Indeed.
They hid console sales numbers when things started going down hill last gen.
Now they are hiding gamepass numbers....
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laynelane
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It sounds like it's possible many people bought the sub for a month or two, played the game, and then didn't renew their sub. Not the outcome MS was looking for, but maybe there was more success on the console side.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
that was a year ago
Gojiira
Member
And at least half of that are just the former Xbox Live Gold accounts that Xbox ‘merged’ into Gamepass to boost the Gamepass numbers…at least 34 million as of feb 24 would say a lot are interested
Xbox Game Pass subscribers 2022 | Statista
How many subscribers does Xbox Game Pass have? The gaming subscription service has over 34 million subscribers, which is fewer than comparable service PS Plus.
Legit dont understand why Xbots are in such denial over Gamepass, look up the FTC case, Xbox THEMSELVES showed it wasnt growing, wasnt making money..
SkylineRKR
Member
There are a lot of things to dissect here.
Those 500m players are likely 100's of millions of players having Candy Crush on their phone and have no affiliation with MS whatsoever. They also never mention hardware anymore because it doesn't fit their narrative. Before all this, they would boast the SX was the most powerful console on the planet and it was repeatedly shown. Since it doesn't sell, they turned to subs. And regarding subs, Gold was migrated to GP and Gold was the bare minimum required for online play, this says nothing about actual GP growth; people actively signing up for GP.
In short they hide more and more, which says it all. This ABK purchase is a massive fail. They won't ever recuperate this 80 billion. In the end they don't have that many assets, CC and CoD are their biggest fish. Blizzard releases something every 5 or so years, and is failing a lot recently.
And if you are this gamer only playing CoD, or Diablo or something. Why would you sign up to GP instead of just buying the game. Ofcourse this revenue goes to MS too, but all in all, 80b is a fuck ton. Its 10 times more than Zenimax which to me have a wider array of valuable IP (and some monster sellers like TES as well).
Those 500m players are likely 100's of millions of players having Candy Crush on their phone and have no affiliation with MS whatsoever. They also never mention hardware anymore because it doesn't fit their narrative. Before all this, they would boast the SX was the most powerful console on the planet and it was repeatedly shown. Since it doesn't sell, they turned to subs. And regarding subs, Gold was migrated to GP and Gold was the bare minimum required for online play, this says nothing about actual GP growth; people actively signing up for GP.
In short they hide more and more, which says it all. This ABK purchase is a massive fail. They won't ever recuperate this 80 billion. In the end they don't have that many assets, CC and CoD are their biggest fish. Blizzard releases something every 5 or so years, and is failing a lot recently.
And if you are this gamer only playing CoD, or Diablo or something. Why would you sign up to GP instead of just buying the game. Ofcourse this revenue goes to MS too, but all in all, 80b is a fuck ton. Its 10 times more than Zenimax which to me have a wider array of valuable IP (and some monster sellers like TES as well).
Jaybe
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COD and Overwatch seem to be being eaten by Marvel Rivals
Diablo 4 is being surpassed by Path of Exile 2
Even Candy Crush looks to be down 40% vs prior year as a newer Match 3 game has beaten it.
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