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Microsoft Says AI Will Lead To Job Losses, Invests $80 Billion In The Tech
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
exactly.
It's a thing everyone thinks will be amazing...
But why everyone thinks that?
what would it do?
It's a solution in search of a problem
cyberheater
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That’s because you don’t closely follow developments. I’ve never seen a technology that’s evolving as fast as A.I is and the amount of effort and money being poured into this by the biggest tech companies on this planet is staggering.
DoubleClutch
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Screw that if you turn the country into a balkanized dump where there is no shared identity nor values. Look at parts of Germany, Britain, and other parts of Europe. The native population is all but extinct. So I don’t really care how much taxes are paid if Hindi becomes a third language.
ChorizoPicozo
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The more money these companies invest in A.I., the more incentives there are for them to push the technology.
i think A.I. will hit the same wall as EVs and autonomous driving
DeepEnigma
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It's okay, they have Sting on retainer for their execs to celebrate cost cutting through job elimination.
poppabk
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Record 3.4 million foreign residents in Japan as work visas rise
The number of foreign nationals residing in Japan hit a record high of over 3.4 million in 2023, government data showed Friday, with employment-related visas seeing significant growth amid the country's efforts to address its acute labor shortage.
cyberheater
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That’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
ChorizoPicozo
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Knowing MS, they will think that they can use A.I. to circumvent the hard work needed to make something truly relevant/special. it's going to be interesting the way they frame A.I. moving forward.
im having "the power of cloud" vibes.
DoubleClutch
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Record 3.4 million foreign residents in Japan as work visas rise
The number of foreign nationals residing in Japan hit a record high of over 3.4 million in 2023, government data showed Friday, with employment-related visas seeing significant growth amid the country's efforts to address its acute labor shortage.english.kyodonews.net
For comparison, the US has about 48M foreign nationals. As a percentage of population:
USA = 14.1%
Japan = 2.7%
Let’s reduce the number to that and then we can talk.
ResilientBanana
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There's no way it can replace 50% of the workforce.
there are benefits to using it as a tool, but other than manufacturing and menial tasks, I fail to see how it will eliminate a massive workforce. But if MS can host AI or be an end point for computation, I can’t imagine it changing the world all that much. But if it can refine code and make software lighter weight then they will be better off. But who lnows
ChorizoPicozo
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the gartner hype cycle graph is common knowledge.
the slowing of A.I. advancements is not only inevitable but already happening
StreetsofBeige
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Japan needs help too since the population is decreasing. It's lower than it was in 1995. So it makes sense any country trending negative would try to prop it up. If anything, you'd think Japan would be trying harder to let in more workers to boost it's shitty economy whose real GDP growth is lucky to go up 1% (sometimes it actually goes down). Japan is either picky, or perhaps people just dont want to go to Japan. Or both.
In the same time, US population has increase 25% since 1995 (about +65M).
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poppabk
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With a border with Mexico - not happening.
DoubleClutch
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Japan’s problem is a declining birth rate. What Japan needs to do is what Hungary does which is to incentivize families to form and stay together.
Even then, we have to get away from this growth, growth, growth mindset. GDP doesn’t make a nation.
PhillMeCream
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I'm waiting for the day where AI cause Billions in damages
StereoVsn
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It’s already eliminating junior and some mid level positions in dev, data science, data analytics, law, finance and more.the gartner hype cycle graph is common knowledge.
the slowing of A.I. advancements is not only inevitable but already happening
If AI based systems save 30-40% of dev work and automate bunch of other white color tasks, what do you think happens with folks that used to do that?
Yeah, right now it’s not 30-40%, it give it 10 years.
StereoVsn
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Hungary birth rate is still under 2. It’s better than say Germany, Italy or Spain but still not amazing long term.
There isn’t a single developed nation with birth rate enough for replacement. US growth is all based on immigration.
DoubleClutch
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The whole world has had a declining birth rate. The answer isn’t replacing the native populations with mass immigration. It’s about managing the country normally and establishing a climate for strong families.
Every country should be made great and prosperous, but the right way.
StreetsofBeige
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I think that government's push for this because one part they want to keep the economy humming, but also one part optics. If a country has slow growth or even a negative, everyone knows the world isnt going to collapse. But the government will be looked upon like a loser failing math class. Then the word recession gets tossed around and everyone panics.
It's a funny thing because when people buy stocks to invest nobody expects it to go up everyday for 10 years. It goes up and down and hopefully the trend is long term growth.
But a country has to be seen in the green every quarter and every year or else it's panic time.
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StereoVsn
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That’s a whole different scenario. You are comparing refugee programs without any through to integration to educated people earning good wage that want to integrate.
It’s good to have the sort of immigration H1B or the higher education student visas bring. The key is to ensure it doesn’t hurt US job market by depressing wages and raising unemployment with US job seekers. And especially need a hawk eye on corpo violations.
StereoVsn
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That’s a very tall order unfortunately. From US perspective, skilled migration of folks who are willing to integrate isn’t a bad thing thing as long as it’s properly managed.
Hell, proper migration with integration requirements or maybe temp work visas for low skilled employment is also not that bad. Let’s face it, a lot of workers in agriculture, hospitality, construction, meat processing are currently illegal immigrants.
Key is integration focus and heavy requirements around learning English, US culture, US civics and more. Democrats hold assimilation and integration as dirty words now, which his bonkers for me as that’s what made US great in the first place. Tribalism will kill any country.
DoubleClutch
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We’ll have to agree to disagree. Immigration is a necessary evil but it should be very limited and highly controlled.
If you think H1B is good, you should do more research. It’s an indefensible program that only big business supports and has convinced people like you it’s good for the country as a whole.
Immigration is how you end up like Britain with Pakistani Muslim rape gangs targeting underage British girls of White ethnicity en masse.
DoubleClutch
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But we also have to admit that not everyone can be integrated and not everyone should be integrated. I don’t want to have to adapt to anyone else’s culture and be told what to do.
StereoVsn
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I think properly managed H1B program could be beneficial to the country. Properly managed is the key though.
As to the disaster in Britain that has nothing to do with skilled worker visa but with complete insanity if UK’s government and crazy DEI politics there. Not to mention Islamization of UK in general. It’s crazy what the f is happening, but it’s not related to H1B visas.
DoubleClutch
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Immigration is immigration in the end. It’s how you end up with Islamization and DEI.
StereoVsn
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Part of application process should be an assessment to potential of integration with US culture and values. IMO of course.
ChorizoPicozo
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eliminating junior or even mid-level positions would spell its own demise (an unforeseen slowdown or collapse in advancement). This could become apparent in 10 years, similar to the effect that DEI is having right now.
things like the push for EVs/autonomous driving, reducing carbon emissions, time frames for space exploration, etc., are always way too optimistic compared to what happens in reality... and that is the only point I am making. If you say 10 years, it's probably closer to 20+, and not as grandiose as initially presented
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Grok had a solid answer for some comparison data -
In 2024, the companies that spent the most on AI infrastructure were:
Microsoft: With spending on AI data centers reaching around $46 billion.
Google (Alphabet): Allocated approximately $33 billion for AI.
Meta: Invested about $27 billion in AI initiatives.
Amazon: Spent around $19 billion on AI-related infrastructure.
Moving into 2025, these companies are planning significant increases in their AI budgets:
Microsoft: Plans to spend $80 billion on AI data centers.
Amazon: Estimated to budget $96.4 billion for AI.
Google (Alphabet): Planning to invest $62.6 billion.
Meta: Projected to spend $52.5 billion.
Interesting there wasn't mention of Nvidia or OpenAI as they were also substantial for both years. I guess they weren't up there in the numbers.
In 2024, the companies that spent the most on AI infrastructure were:
Microsoft: With spending on AI data centers reaching around $46 billion.
Google (Alphabet): Allocated approximately $33 billion for AI.
Meta: Invested about $27 billion in AI initiatives.
Amazon: Spent around $19 billion on AI-related infrastructure.
Moving into 2025, these companies are planning significant increases in their AI budgets:
Microsoft: Plans to spend $80 billion on AI data centers.
Amazon: Estimated to budget $96.4 billion for AI.
Google (Alphabet): Planning to invest $62.6 billion.
Meta: Projected to spend $52.5 billion.
Interesting there wasn't mention of Nvidia or OpenAI as they were also substantial for both years. I guess they weren't up there in the numbers.
StereoVsn
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Oh I fully think this will bite everyone in the arse including the very same tech bros pushing for this shit. Just nobody cares since reporting is Quarterly and bonuses get paid annually.
StreetsofBeige
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Things will be fine.
Over the past 100 years of tech advancement (you can even go back further to the industrial revolution), things have progressed a ton, yet people still got jobs, economies still fine, and unemployment rates still low.
For every store staffer out of a job due to NF, car guy axed by robots making cars and huge paper pushing departments who lost jobs when PCs automated tons of administrative stuff, people figure it out. And for those people who couldnt because they couldnt adapt or were near retired age anyway, well thats life. Nothing stands still where everyone person on Earth is guaranteed a job forever.
Will an AI revolution be the Terminator killer of jobs permanently where unemployment jumps to 25% and whats left are crap jobs? Maybe. Bu doubtful.
It's 2025. I'm still waiting for those articles written before covid coming true where every trucker is supposed to be replaced by EV auto-driving big rigs.
Over the past 100 years of tech advancement (you can even go back further to the industrial revolution), things have progressed a ton, yet people still got jobs, economies still fine, and unemployment rates still low.
For every store staffer out of a job due to NF, car guy axed by robots making cars and huge paper pushing departments who lost jobs when PCs automated tons of administrative stuff, people figure it out. And for those people who couldnt because they couldnt adapt or were near retired age anyway, well thats life. Nothing stands still where everyone person on Earth is guaranteed a job forever.
Will an AI revolution be the Terminator killer of jobs permanently where unemployment jumps to 25% and whats left are crap jobs? Maybe. Bu doubtful.
It's 2025. I'm still waiting for those articles written before covid coming true where every trucker is supposed to be replaced by EV auto-driving big rigs.
OGM_Madness
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First, AI will make games. Then AI will play those games. Then AI will choose what games to make next and make those games that AI will play.
Before you know it, we have a dead internet theory on Fortnite and Roblox. Currently feels that way with the bots and all that. I wonder what is the turning point for players to see a game and say “this feels like an AI did it” and actually a good decent game.
After being turned off by “the future of gaming” which felt like it was going to be GaaS and DEI, I just recently started Okami (to play for the first time and see what to expect from a Sequel) and I hit that “it’s not me, it’s them!” point, where playing feels like the type of gaming that made me fall in love with this hobby in the first place. Okami is far from perfect, but definitely hits a lot of buttons that most modern games do not press. If I can get more games like this with AI, so be it. The actual plan/modern games are not doing much for me, so I’m ready to see something different.
If anything, there might be more games overall, meaning more possible games that hit my tastes, so I don’t think this AI focus future is necessarily all bad. But I guess we will see.
Before you know it, we have a dead internet theory on Fortnite and Roblox. Currently feels that way with the bots and all that. I wonder what is the turning point for players to see a game and say “this feels like an AI did it” and actually a good decent game.
After being turned off by “the future of gaming” which felt like it was going to be GaaS and DEI, I just recently started Okami (to play for the first time and see what to expect from a Sequel) and I hit that “it’s not me, it’s them!” point, where playing feels like the type of gaming that made me fall in love with this hobby in the first place. Okami is far from perfect, but definitely hits a lot of buttons that most modern games do not press. If I can get more games like this with AI, so be it. The actual plan/modern games are not doing much for me, so I’m ready to see something different.
If anything, there might be more games overall, meaning more possible games that hit my tastes, so I don’t think this AI focus future is necessarily all bad. But I guess we will see.
Knightime_X
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Think of it like this..
When they invented micro chips, 1s and 0s, for like archaic calculators, very early computing things etc.
No body knew it would lead to video games, the internet, robots, self landing rockets, incomprehensible super computer intelligence etc.
Ai, like early computing was very limited and appeared to not prove anything useful.
That will definitely change with time.
We'll probably be dead before we see any REAL good shit happen.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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If everyone is making the games, then who's going to play them?
Who become the customers? This is a conundrum AI will inevitably introduce.
Who become the customers? This is a conundrum AI will inevitably introduce.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
But first micro chips were already useful and needed
Knightime_X
Member
Sure, but it also evolved into things that were unimaginable and fantasy like as well.
DLSS is an awesome example of why ai is soo great, even if that's just a tiny micro fraction of what it can do.
Team Andromeda
Member
Clear AI is going to lead to people losing their jobs it's happening already.
I can't wait to see UK Train drivers be replaced with AI myself that will be about the only good think about it
I can't wait to see UK Train drivers be replaced with AI myself that will be about the only good think about it
StreetsofBeige
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AI is really just an extension of physical automation. Except this time it’s software based.
It’s like over time all the self checkout kiosks at stores and fast food places. Best thing to happen. That’s not AI, but automation. Costco is sweet doing your own check out as most people are too chicken and lazy to do it themselves. They line up in giant lines for a cashier and I blow by them using self checkout.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Incorrect regarding the last part. Actions have consequences. If you think a modern problem or situation comes from nothing you were never paying attention to what those folks wanted long ago.
I honestly want to add to this thread considering I wasted time in political science/finance/econ but most folks know nothing and are looking at this from now. Not why it’s done, why it will continue nor the underlying reasons. Hint folks; a hegemonic power is being threatened and knows there is a chance it will have to give up power and the only way to maintain it is to make deals hence multi polar. All actions are to maintain.
DeepEnigma
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It's a "boys club," you see.
PurePlatinum
Member
MSFT gonna MSFT. They are the most ruthless cold-blooded company in technology and always have been...which is why their attempts to seem warmer and Sofer always come across as so shallow and empty.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Total capitalism.
Company does what it feels like doing and if employees want to keep their job they better brush up the skills and be valuable.
Unless a company is going broke and has to gaas everyone at some point, most companies only lay off a small % of people. Probably 90%+ of people are kept in most layoff waves. Can’t be that hard to hold onto a job if you got a 9 out of 10 chance.
llien
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Entire ML industry was 200 billion in 2024. It was expected to grow to 500 by the end of the decade.
Microsoft (with its close ties to openai with the only last "open" in it being the title) going 80 billion on its own is quite a message.
Hudo
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Unironically, that's how most of the "AI" papers that get published look like.
Yekshemesh
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Phil himself is the ultimate DEI hire. Cause, explain to me how a mediocre man was able to continually fail upwards at one of the richest mega-corp on earth.