azertydu91
Hard to Kill
That is a totally objectively good point in regards to MS, it has nothing to do about openness but half of OP's posts aren't either so it is not a problem.
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Microsofts openess vs Sony and Nintendos closed door policy. What do you prefer?
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Riky
$MSFT
It's going to be a great year when MS can just shadow drop GOTY contenders like this.
Hobbygaming
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Topher
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Every video game forum is going to have warriors. GAF is no different. In my experience, GAF is no worse than most. We have plenty of fans of consoles on all sides who are not warriors. That's why the warriors are easy to spot.
sachos
Member
Well i do love dogs and dont really like cats, so... i dont know =P
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
At least here, besides some that have a persecution complex, people don't shriek and scream micro agression at everything that you might be saying like on another forum.
Maverick074
Banned
As others have said, Microsoft kind of has to be open about their plans because they're in a worse position than Nintendo and Sony
Nintendo has Pikmin 4 and The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom coming up, with possibly more to be announced in the upcoming Direct, and Sony has Marvel's Spider-Man 2, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, and Silent Hill 2
But Microsoft?
Halo's in a worse position than ever before
Gears of War doesn't bring the same excitement it did before
Fable is nowhere to be seen
Perfect Dark is nowhere to be seen
Forza is really the only reliable hit that they have
Nintendo has Pikmin 4 and The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom coming up, with possibly more to be announced in the upcoming Direct, and Sony has Marvel's Spider-Man 2, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, and Silent Hill 2
But Microsoft?
Halo's in a worse position than ever before
Gears of War doesn't bring the same excitement it did before
Fable is nowhere to be seen
Perfect Dark is nowhere to be seen
Forza is really the only reliable hit that they have
BbMajor7th
Member
I see 'shadow dropped a GOTY contender' is set to become the new 'Publisher of the Year 2021'.
Swift_Star
Banned
This is as GOTY contender as Stray was, as in: it isn’t.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
I don't think this is 'openness', this is just marketing.
Microsoft had a more (paper specs) powerful platform and went harder on promoting that fact. When either SOny or Microsoft think they have the edge hardware wise, they promote that heavily, because having a more powerful machine appeals to the base both target.
Nintendo has different marketing tactics and demographics target, there's not much point in pointing out hardware differences too much, and it's not like they had the edge over Sony or Microsoft in a while either.
When the N64 launched I still have a couple gaming magazines explaining the N64 featureset and what they actually did and Nintendo reps talking about the hardware.
Can't really say which marketing tactic works better, it depends on each company's situation at the time, marketing demographic and what they think their base will respond to and of course on the current exec and marketing exec's sensibilities.
Microsoft had a more (paper specs) powerful platform and went harder on promoting that fact. When either SOny or Microsoft think they have the edge hardware wise, they promote that heavily, because having a more powerful machine appeals to the base both target.
Nintendo has different marketing tactics and demographics target, there's not much point in pointing out hardware differences too much, and it's not like they had the edge over Sony or Microsoft in a while either.
When the N64 launched I still have a couple gaming magazines explaining the N64 featureset and what they actually did and Nintendo reps talking about the hardware.
Can't really say which marketing tactic works better, it depends on each company's situation at the time, marketing demographic and what they think their base will respond to and of course on the current exec and marketing exec's sensibilities.
TheUndeadGamer
Member
I think Xbox will always remain in third place no matter what they do.So basically you want more of this:
Oh and more of this too:
Embarrassing.
Topher
Identifies as young
Agree. Thankfully mods are starting to crack down on the persecution complex nonsense. But yeah, the craziness elsewhere is not a problem here. I think a lot of folks here take that for granted.
Maverick074
Banned
True
Every year, the game awards pick one indie game to nominate for game of the year to avoid looking like COMPLETE corporate dicksuckers but everyone knows it was never expected to win
The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom already has a way bigger chance of winning GotY than Hi-Fi RUSH
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ZoukGalaxy
Member
Microsoft is like a "friend" full of promises who talks to you all the time saying: I do this, I will do this, I did this, next year I will do this, I will be better, I'm working on it...
Sony/Nintendo is a "friend" who doesn't talk so much or doesn't at all and then, all of suddenly they talk to you "Hey, look, what I just did"
You guessed, I prefer the last method.
If they really want to talk, just make a Microsoft Direct with transparency and real news.
More acts, less talk.
Sony/Nintendo is a "friend" who doesn't talk so much or doesn't at all and then, all of suddenly they talk to you "Hey, look, what I just did"
You guessed, I prefer the last method.
If they really want to talk, just make a Microsoft Direct with transparency and real news.
More acts, less talk.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Engagement is THE most important metric.
Without engagement, we will have Japan like situation everywhere. Casuals will abandon consoles and flock to mobile.
Poor Japanese gamers I feel bad for them. Local developers served them boredom. Hopefully they will rebound and make some engaging stuff.
Nice visuals can go only so far in maintaining interest.
Nydius
Member
Nah, you opened the floodgates. You don't get to call the mods for a lifejacket.
I wish it were. A few years back I decided to see what the Xbox Ambassador program was all about. It sounded great on paper -- gamers helping gamers -- but it became clear that it really wasn't that at all. Their Discord is brand cultist to the point where I watched their mods kick people out for even mentioning Sony or Nintendo in civil discussions. I watched them organize Twitter mob campaigns where "Ambassadors" would go after someone critical of Microsoft by repeating variants of the same line ("Xbox is for the gamers and supports inclusiveness and accessibility across their platforms", or some such -- it's their Ambassador oath they make all Ambassadors 'sign').
The Ambassador program is PR brainwashing of their fans and then exploiting said fans to do their marketing for them on social media.
Lest anyone feel the need to accuse me of lying about being in the Ambassador program, here's a shot of my bio with my level 2 Ambassador badge.
What people like you never mention in the "Publisher of the Year" claims is that it's a completely made up accolade by metacritic. METACRITIC! A result that was skewed by including the PC-only Age of Empires IV and by adding Flight Simulator as a separately reviewed product when it released on Series X. Take those two out and do an apple-to-apple, console only, comparison for that year and suddenly the scores are quite different.
I bet you can't tell me who their publisher of the year was in 2020. (Sega). Or 2019. (505 Games). See how absolutely pointless that "accolade" is?
Swift_Star
Banned
TheRedRiders
Member
Aging like fine wine.
Klayzer
Member
There was a time when a lot of fans of Xbox, accused Metacritic of being biased against Microsoft's games. Now the tables have turned, i suppose.
JLB
Banned
I prefer a world without wars and poverty.
But usually sticking with the topic on a forum makes more sense.
yurinka
Member
In that in that interview he explained that -and why- were going to keep supporting PS4 during several years after the PS5 release and he never said that they were going to avoid crossgen games, in that interview or anywhere else.
Regarding the 'we believe in generations' bit he said it when mentioning that he wanted to see the games using the PS5 new features like shorter loading times, haptic feedback, adaptative triggers, 3D audio etc. Something that all the PS5 do, including the crossgen ones.
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GhostOfTsu
Banned
Not surprised by any of this. These ambassadors are everywhere and they make every gaming community unbearable.
StealthGoblin
Banned
I think a middle ground. Phil Spencer is quite open, but it’s clear he talks out both sides of his mouth. PlayStation just don’t use any recognisable faces to do PR.
Adam Boyes and Layden were really refreshing for PlayStation.
Adam Boyes and Layden were really refreshing for PlayStation.
EDMIX
Banned
MS is in a situation where they are about to be 3rd for the 3rd time....
Nintendo and Sony have a proven history where they literally can say nothing UNTIL its time to show a game because they have a strong trust with gamers regarding quality.
So...its MS right now that is rebranding and restructuring and showing they are gaming this time around, its up to them to not shut the fuck up, they kinda have no choice now.
I mean shit, why would Sony RIGNT NOW need to tell you Spiderman 2 will be a massive hit? They have 30 plus million units sold to prove that.
Why would NINTENDO need to fucking scream to you every day about Zelda? They have 27 million units sold....
Its MS that needs to convince people they have changed, they have a hit, they are different etc. Most times I'm against marketing shit so early, but in MS case...it makes sense. They need to do that now as many might have already made up their minds on PS and Nintendo, MS needs to show them that this time will be different. Nothing in their past can sell XB today.
They also sold the least out of the 3 in their past, thus they need to tell and show people that investing in XB is the right choice this gen.
Nintendo and Sony have a proven history where they literally can say nothing UNTIL its time to show a game because they have a strong trust with gamers regarding quality.
So...its MS right now that is rebranding and restructuring and showing they are gaming this time around, its up to them to not shut the fuck up, they kinda have no choice now.
I mean shit, why would Sony RIGNT NOW need to tell you Spiderman 2 will be a massive hit? They have 30 plus million units sold to prove that.
Why would NINTENDO need to fucking scream to you every day about Zelda? They have 27 million units sold....
Its MS that needs to convince people they have changed, they have a hit, they are different etc. Most times I'm against marketing shit so early, but in MS case...it makes sense. They need to do that now as many might have already made up their minds on PS and Nintendo, MS needs to show them that this time will be different. Nothing in their past can sell XB today.
They also sold the least out of the 3 in their past, thus they need to tell and show people that investing in XB is the right choice this gen.
Klayzer
Member
Maybe Sony should bring back Kevin Butler, VP of PR could be his new title. Speaking of which, I thought those commercials were hilarious.
Snake29
Banned
Outside of all their brainwashed fanboys. MS markering doesn’t really work for the mainstream.
They talk to much and they engage too much with the wrong people on social. They do not come out very professional. You can clearly a difference on social between both companies.
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I don't think words exist in the English language that could convey how few fucks I have to give about "openness" or "closeness" of a corporate suit at a billion dollar (or more) company.
Sony and Nintendo executives may be less "charismatic" and their business policies are trash, but their games and systems are top notch. Microsoft seems to get every single thing right except for the, you know, games. I don't give a shit how many "gamer points!!1!" Spencer accrues from his fanboys online, if he can't deliver the games - which, seven years into his tenure, he has totally failed at - then I have no fucks to give about his platform.
Jim Ryan may be obnoxious and Nintendo might love overcharging through the nose, but at least they both consistently deliver actual great GOTY and GOTG caliber games. When was the last time Xbox gave me that? That's what I care about, not "openness" or "closeness"
Sony and Nintendo executives may be less "charismatic" and their business policies are trash, but their games and systems are top notch. Microsoft seems to get every single thing right except for the, you know, games. I don't give a shit how many "gamer points!!1!" Spencer accrues from his fanboys online, if he can't deliver the games - which, seven years into his tenure, he has totally failed at - then I have no fucks to give about his platform.
Jim Ryan may be obnoxious and Nintendo might love overcharging through the nose, but at least they both consistently deliver actual great GOTY and GOTG caliber games. When was the last time Xbox gave me that? That's what I care about, not "openness" or "closeness"
Stamps1646
Member
Is this an Aaron Greenberg alt account?
I play games. If the company makes games I like, I buy them, that is all.
I play games. If the company makes games I like, I buy them, that is all.
I just wanna add I’m doing a Linux class for my major and all my professor does is shit on MS and Apple for having a closed binary OS. Like he be verbally mad at them, just find it funny regarding this topic of who has the most open walled garden lol.
But yeah I prefer the Xbox route, I remember when people were mad at Xbox for doing the play anywhere thing but I thought it was the coolest thing in the world that I could pick up where I left off on my gaming laptop. Definitely helped me finish my games during my (somewhat) long distance relationship. Could just bring my laptop and pick up exactly where I left off on gears 5 or halo infinite. I genuinely think they all should do this if there’s a pc version of a console game. Just makes my life easier by allowing me to game when and where I want to.
Edit: oh ok so we’re not talking about like how accessible the games are we’re talking about marketing
. Kind of a non issue topic OP, marketing doesn’t improve my gamer-ability feel me lol.
But yeah I prefer the Xbox route, I remember when people were mad at Xbox for doing the play anywhere thing but I thought it was the coolest thing in the world that I could pick up where I left off on my gaming laptop. Definitely helped me finish my games during my (somewhat) long distance relationship. Could just bring my laptop and pick up exactly where I left off on gears 5 or halo infinite. I genuinely think they all should do this if there’s a pc version of a console game. Just makes my life easier by allowing me to game when and where I want to.
Edit: oh ok so we’re not talking about like how accessible the games are we’re talking about marketing
. Kind of a non issue topic OP, marketing doesn’t improve my gamer-ability feel me lol.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
yeah but a dry year for Sony with no major holiday releases that year.
Topher
Identifies as young
It isn't unusual for Sony to not release games during the holidays. Miles Morales launched with PS5, but in the prior years Ghost of Tsushima, TLOU 2, God of War, Days Gone, and even Spider-man were not holiday releases.
Correction. Death Stranding in 2019 and God of War R in 2022 were exceptions.
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Pelta88
Member
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
I knew it was a crazy program to be a part of. I had heard rumpurs of some weird shit. But this? This needs it's own thread, titled:
"I used to be a XBOX ambassador, here's what behind the scenes is actually like"
Klayzer
Member
I swear, supposed gamers act like they have amnesia when it sutes them. Sony's modis operandi have been to let their third party partners shine during the holidays.
Most of their big releases have been in the first or second quarter of a calendar year.
Hell, on this very site, like clockwork "concerned gamers" were making topics about "how will Sony compete with whatever holiday title Xbox was releasing".
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, folks made a big deal about it in 2021 but it was just console warrior noise really. Somehow HFW missing 2021 by a couple of months ruined the whole year or some such drama.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
So you’re saying it wasn’t a dry year for Sony released games? Gran turismo was delayed from that year, god of war ragnarok was delayed that year also. Horizon forbidden Wes was also delayed.
Topher
Identifies as young
You said before it was a dry year due to "no major holiday releases". I'm saying that doesn't really matter. If all those games were released in 2021 then 2022 would have been a "dry year". But no, R&C and Returnal do not make for a "dry year". It wasn't a fantastic year either though. I'd say it was a good, not great year for Sony.
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polybius80
Member
How can MS be considered open? they mention a game in development, then the say nothing for a while then you hear its canceled, we have years of "next year will be the best year for xbox", 180's from Phill Spencer and half truths, just because they appear in interviews more often doesn't mean they are more open, in fact it appears they do that to obfuscate the situation
phil_t98
#SonyToo
a year were Microsoft released a decent amount of games and got publisher of the year is a dry year for Sony. the games they released were good but only 2 of them that year. last year for Microsoft was terrible.
that year they had planned to release god of war raganrok and gran turismoe and both delayed
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nowhat
Member
...no. MS = rat, Sony = squirrel. I thought we already had established this.