LED Guy?
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That’s a maybe, but the one where he was sure (BASED ON DEVKITS, before anyone jumps to conclusions) is that the difference is 7% and honestly, that would mean both consoles are almost neck to neck and that’s a win-win situation.
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it_wasn't_me
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This thread vs. social network : twitter, facebook where you can read bullshits from these guys :
Naaaah. It's not even comparable.
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LED Guy?
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Yeah because the numbers weren’t really that impressive if you look at it from the outside, it’s why he did say that and if you see how much these guys from REEEEE expected, they expected 14 TFlops and 16 TFlops GCN of course, so 12 TF would look kinda disappointing.Another one I found interesting
At times people would be happy with double digit GCN this was certainly an interesting comment...
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Farrell55
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Yes everyone knows it, except r600 who was saying klee is a liar Because of his Bingo statement
By Xfans that think no RT you mean single complete nutjob on twitter? Here for example, I have a feeling PS fans are not only in majority, they are much bigger fanboys.Why does MS have such vocal crazy fanboys as this guy while Sony doesn't? I swear you can list more than 10 people not including publications like DF.
Sheesh, PS5 not having RT? And we had Cerny himself verify this TWO times. Two freaking times man .
First time Cerny was like, we can use use RT for 3D audio...etc
Xfans: ewww must be software RT just for audio!
Cerny second article: I mean hardware accelerated RT in the GPU...etc
Xfans: Github , 9.2TF no RT
Cerny:
(6 months later)
Microsoft: We have RT for 3D audio.
Xfans: InNoVaTiON !!!!
Agnostic2020
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At least no one here pretends to be insider man . Can’t say the same about nogorohomonogodofosogoboo blue and the likes
Kleegamefan - this game of whispers could stop -read this : (yes it's the other place - list of his statements here )
about that 12TF = "Bingo" comment though :
(see the rest of the thread) - seems nobody knows what he meant - he was agreeing (maybe?) - but with what? the math, the TF, something else - nobody knows ..
..what else did he say "bingo" to .. I wonder :
That's right folks - he agree with :
So there's two options here :
Letting you decide..
- He agreed that 12TF RDNA is unrealistic and therefor doesn't know shit
- He says "bingo" to clowns who've got the whole thing wrong.
;tldr that "bingo" comment isn't worth taking seriously.
Yup. Klees comments were vauge and all over the place, yet people have created this story in their head about what he’s confirmed and how anyone who doesn’t believe him are raging fanboys.Another one I found interesting
At times people would be happy with double digit GCN this was certainly an interesting comment...
Shits absolutely crazy lol
it_wasn't_me
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Just in case will provide links later.
Gamernyc78
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Xbox discord always quote him when they want an insider opinion on stuff related to ps5 . Why go far , here our own Tim dog emotional support back up (by liking all his comments ) @CyberPanda quotes him all the time
You know how Cyber gets down
LED Guy?
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Yeah man, the amounts of spins some of these fanboys take to suit their agendas is just appalling.Yes everyone knows it, except r600 who was saying klee is a liar Because of his Bingo statement
TherapistGaymer
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Racer!
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Just curious...do you believe PS5 will be 9.2...and those CU`s will also handle RT? And Sony/the market leader will launch with a RDNA 1 based architecture while Microsoft will launch with RDNA 2, in the same launch window?
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Do you really think that? Really? Back when people expected Vega56 TF, and would cry tears of joy if we got Vega64 performance? Be honest, 12TF RDNA (~25% then 5700XT) is fucking amazing, let alone 13TF. That is 2080TI territory...
TherapistGaymer
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I call them back up dancers!You know how Cyber gets down
StreetsofBeige
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Because the only concrete numerical info we have for general power (TF) is MS saying "double the power", now coming out and saying 12tf RDNA2, and a PS5 github Oberon leak.Why does MS have such vocal crazy fanboys as this guy while Sony doesn't? I swear you can list more than 10 people not including publications like DF.
Sheesh, PS5 not having RT? And we had Cerny himself verify this TWO times. Two freaking times man .
First time Cerny was like, we can use use RT for 3D audio...etc
Xfans: ewww must be software RT just for audio!
Cerny second article: I mean hardware accelerated RT in the GPU...etc
Xfans: Github , 9.2TF no RT
Cerny:
(6 months later)
Microsoft: We have RT for 3D audio.
Xfans: InNoVaTiON !!!!
Xbox is the only system where people have been swirling rumours about a Lockhart system for a good year too, so that leads to other rumours. PS has never had double system speculation except for few random forum people. I don't think there are any articles about this from any game site. And I don't think any insiders have brought up two PS systems either.
The rest of the rumours regarding amount of ram, cpu speed, SSD speed etc.... are unknown and whispers.
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01011001
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XSX = 12TF RDNA2
PS5 = 9.2-10TF RDNA1+
XSS = 4TF RDNA2 (could be RDNA1 would be weird tho if so)
as times goes on I am more and more certain this is true.
and I also think the release of Lockhart might still be undecided, I expect it to launch between 6 and 12 months after the SX to get the remaining Xbox One users to make the jump, while the SX will get the hardcore market first.
but for all we know Lockhart could also be cancelled or even release at the same time. it's really hard to judge because we don't have a true price range yet due to uncertainties of the state of production due to Corona.
I simply go by found APU data leaks now because all the "insiders" do is either contradict eachother or be very vague... or even worse just throw out weird pseudo riddles that only confuse people.
PS5 = 9.2-10TF RDNA1+
XSS = 4TF RDNA2 (could be RDNA1 would be weird tho if so)
as times goes on I am more and more certain this is true.
and I also think the release of Lockhart might still be undecided, I expect it to launch between 6 and 12 months after the SX to get the remaining Xbox One users to make the jump, while the SX will get the hardcore market first.
but for all we know Lockhart could also be cancelled or even release at the same time. it's really hard to judge because we don't have a true price range yet due to uncertainties of the state of production due to Corona.
I simply go by found APU data leaks now because all the "insiders" do is either contradict eachother or be very vague... or even worse just throw out weird pseudo riddles that only confuse people.
xool
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Except in the next quote he 'agrees' with someone who's saying that people who have 12TF expectations are being unrealistic - which is contradictory.
My theory - he only had PS5 specs, and didn't know Xbxo was 12TF
James Sawyer Ford
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Thinking about making a green nugroho Twitter account that discuses hot Xbox spec leaks such as jaguar cores, no RT cores, and 4.0 GCN TF for XSX so it’s less powerful than PS4 Pro
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LED Guy?
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Yeah put them here.
Yeah but here’s the thing, many have thought it would be GCN even after Klee confirmed it being RDNA, you still have people saying otherwise until XSX confirmed to have 12 TF RDNA 2 just several days ago.
Mass Shift
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Guys please take a second to look at this
Ps5 no raytracing 8TF etc.. and Xbox community refer to him as insider
One of Misterxmedia's many identities. Don't give him anything.
xool
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Bingo
44alltheway
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He also said February reveal. Just saying...
it_wasn't_me
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He got spec sheets for both
it_wasn't_me
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Yeah, many people surely expected coronavirus ,even Sony. How the fuck Klee didn't have any inside knowledge about coronavirus. Probably he didn't got any spec sheet for that.
Plans can change when some shit happens and can affects events, just like corona.
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LED Guy?
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How? He did know that XSX is 12 TFs and that PS5 is beating it by a bit, something is not adding up.
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44alltheway
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You were literally banned earlier bc you did this shit lmao
I believe PS5 will be 9.2TF in BEST case scenario. I also think Sony will have RDNA2 RT and VRS.
I also think XSX would be 9-10TF if it followed agressive, but well known console/tdp form factor and didnt have lower end console to counter expensive premium console.
I dont think its failure from Sony side if they have around 9TF, I just think they aimed for extremely good console for reasonable price (at loss). They dont 2nd console to counter Lockhart so it would make 0 sense for them to go with PC tower like console and 250W+ console. Thats all.
And Github is OFFICIAL document from AMD that also perfectly ties with another deleted leak, Flute benchmark.
LED Guy?
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Except he was the most concrete one, you take 2 comments of his out of tens of comment that weren’t vague makes you look very disingenuous.
xool
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LED Guy?
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He had the specs sheet in December 2019, he didn’t have them in October.Really ?
demigod
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Really ?
Congrats, you linked what he said in 2018 instead of 2019. Now how about linking that 2019 one.
GlassAwful
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At least no one here pretends to be insider man . Can’t say the same about nogorohomonogodofosogoboo blue and the likes
No, we just have a guy named “T”ommy “F”I sher who says all the things Sony fans want to believe in.
Racer!
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Ok. If we go by published AMD patents on RT, those 9.2 CU/TMU`s will have to raytrace. That means 2-3 TF`s will be gobbled up for any meaningful effects. We are then down to PS4 pro TF territory, excluding architecture efficiency. Visually, thats going to be a hard sell at 450/500$.
Although, when looking at Godfall, it very well could be. It looked extremely underwhelming.
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Can this be any more fake? Look at those clocks lol
HawarMiran
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Don't compare Tommy Fisher with that nutjob you weirdo.No, we just have a guy named “T”ommy “F”I sher who says all the things Sony fans want to believe in.
Gavin Stevens
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PlayStation fans in this thread:
Xbox fans in this thread:
Nintendo fans in this thread:
Xbox fans in this thread:
Nintendo fans in this thread:
Nothing he said was concrete.
It was all vauge, ranges and heavily interpretable drive by statements.
You guys have turned that into a story that he didn’t even tell.
JMB88
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This thread vs. social network : twitter, facebook where you can read bullshits from these guys :
Naaaah. It's not even comparable.
There are idiots in all communities. It would not be fair to point out that they are only those of Xbox because it is not true.
I believe that the No. 1 idiots in all communities are those who praise a corporate executive as a god.
These take the top prize to human stupidity.
it_wasn't_me
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Agnostic2020
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Wel ur provided documents to the mod and they agree keep him around till reveal and if he is wrong then bye bye for him . No one gets immunity . What has nogorobomojohofo blue lol has shown that colt East wood and crew asks him about his expert opinion on ps5? Nothing just an extremely wild false fantasies .No, we just have a guy named “T”ommy “F”I sher who says all the things Sony fans want to believe in.
btw TF got xsx spec 100% correct lol just saying
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Does anyone here really believe that a developer put footage of next gen game on USB and shown him? Do you people work and if you do, do you think you can put secret project on USB and show it around?
He described video in such detail on most public gaming forum that someone ought to check who the fuck has been showing next gen game on USB outside of the studio. And the way he describes it...so sooo much detail, almost too much. First sign of lying...
He described video in such detail on most public gaming forum that someone ought to check who the fuck has been showing next gen game on USB outside of the studio. And the way he describes it...so sooo much detail, almost too much. First sign of lying...
it_wasn't_me
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Of course they are. Surely Xbox fans are the vocal ones. As provided in this "spec sheet" Cheers!
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
PlayStation fans in this thread:
Xbox fans in this thread:
Nintendo fans in this thread:
That’s not how to play the Switch.
Aceofspades
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Dude, Do you remember after PS4/Xbox One released how Xbox fans (MisterX, Tomdogg, colt...etc) MS execs ( Penello) and publications (Digital Foundry) plus hundreds of astrosurfers who plagued all forums just to spread lies and damage control Xbox One obvious weaknesses vs PS4.
Those people were spreading lies AFTER knowing the specs....now feel free to point out any crazy claims in this 60k posts "speculation " thread or any similar behavior from PS fans. One thing I'm hoping once the specs are fully revealed that Xfans won't resort to "hidden GPUs inside the powerbrick " "its all about the OS
" type of justifications. In the end all this talk won't matter and Playstation will once again dominate as usual
Seems like the loudest voices in here when it comes to Ps5 TF is 9.2 camp and 12 < camp I think they are both trolling. One side to get hype up so no matter what will be disappointing and the other to keep hype down for as long as they can. I think both will be close and I think that both will be 12-13 tf gcn so 10-11 rdna because twice the power of one X isnt 12tf of rdna2 if it was that it would be alot higher when compared to one x gcn tf.
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CrustyBritches
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How do you get free gift cards?!
What I do for next-gen consoles kind of depends on whether XSS launches alongside XSX. If it does, we'll dump our X1S units and buy 2 XSS's(snake hisss) for my boys. I'll probably dump my 2060 Super and Ryzen 1600 for ~$350 total and buy something like a Ryzen 3600 or 2700 and either AMD or Nvidia GPU in the $500-600 range. Out-of-pocket for PC should only be about $300-400. I play Xbox on PC, so I'll probably just stay with that and pass on the XSX.
Yeah, I was just curious about the possibility of coattail riders, and also painting with broad strokes. Leaked info should be very specific.
Oberon didn't pop up until August 2019. I'm guessing this might have come from early peek of the Github leak or Linux driver previews. Not sure if Komachi mines his info from Linux drivers or what. Apisak's info is more interesting to me because it comes completely separate from all that. On it's own it establishes clock speeds, a singular point of reference for benchmark, and he also stated the 5700XT power mark. In this manner, his data is superior to what follows. Same with Benji Sales if he ends up being correct. Unless somebody can provide a specific leak that predates his.
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