saintjules
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PaintTinJr
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Actually I missed that small bit, but what he is saying there, is that when the console is fully loaded with a game filling the 36CUs with full efficient workload the GPU clock will only need a drop of 2% - presumably meaning 2.23Ghz * 0.98 * 36 *64 * 2 = 10.1TF – to avoid the need to draw the 10% more power. Which it can’t anyway because the power use is fixed for the system – presumably – in PS5 mode, and fixed again – at lower levels – for PS4 and PS4 Pro modes, which must be drawing a lot less.
Someone has since shown the image of the XsX PSU (500watts with minimum at ~250watts) suggesting that when power draw is compared, PS5’s 10TF at massive clock is going to be far more impressive than Xbox’s 12TF, and in a world where a little care by all about the planet might help a bit, it looks like a smart design IMHO - even if I wanted 15-18TF for RT.
LED Guy?
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Well, looks like the development kits of the PlayStation 5 were 12+ TFLOPS, so I think this is what made all of the conflicting info come out, but I believe this is what the PS5 dev kits were hence why all of them said it is more powerful than XSX.
Or maybe
VFXVeteran
rumor that a PlayStation 5 Pro is real but Sony didn't come out and announced it just like Microsoft didn't announce their Xbox Lockhart?Maybe we'll see a PS5 Pro? Or maybe it got cancelled and this was its dev kits?
Apollo Helios
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I wonder the same thing but I considered the value Cerny gives is the final usable size by the consumers, as opposed to saying 1TB Custom SSD on the spec and then when going home and setting up you realize it is far less and curiously either very close to this figure or exactly the same depending on wether the 1TB device was 1024GB or flat out 1000GB, both can be sold as 1TB by different vendors.
Well fuck em, we don't even know what we are asking for and we look to other sources to try to understand what it all means but along the way assume the narrative of expectancy and being let down or being hyped. Numbers game is always pushed by journalists and assumed by the masses. As soon as the first batch of games hit, real hands on experience and word of mouth will work its magic anyway, marketing up to that point is important too, so what I'm saying is games were and always will be the final deciding factor.
Answer stays the same.
SonGoku
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Metroiddarks
Member
So they say something which us we can already deduce for the TF difference and how works that in navi performance ....
SonGoku
Member
Pro consoles will happen for sure, there's no way ps5/sex run next gen only graphics intensive games at 4k/60fps
Might even see dynamic/checkered 4k/30fps on PS5
Yes the ps5 will probably be loud and hot like the PS4 pro at those clocks.
Fenris Wolf
Member
So among all those shitty insiders it was just @Tommy Fisher who actually knew something, at least MS side.
Man jast take a look at @OsirisBlack @o'dium @BGsHeisenbergFX4 all insider bullshit posts! Such a shame!
I have nothing against these people but i have a feeling that the Fisher guy also used other leaked info on the internet as his source as far as i'm aware. He was never an insider. You either get news correct or not. We either have reliable journalists such as Jason Schreier which they have a solid track record and almost never share any false info (because their work is legit) or attention seeking people who will troll and laugh their way off.
If anything, This leak got most of the things correct and i think at least some of the mentioned people looked at it "at least once".
Besides If i'm not mistaking, Windows Central posted info about XsX and Lockhart before anyone even knew that MS had any plans to show their console at TGA. Even those info shared some similarity with the link i'm referring to. (Not saying Windows Central copied from them or anything, But rather suggesting that the said leak sounds way more legit than all of these people combined)
Again, I will apologize in advance if anyone of the mentioned people's upset with this post.
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Metroiddarks
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Yeah but ps5 with 10TF is just too much for a budget console like will be lockhartWell, looks like the development kits of the PlayStation 5 were 12+ TFLOPS, so I think this is what made all of the conflicting info come out, but I believe this is what the PS5 dev kits were hence why all of them said it is more powerful than XSX.
Or maybe
Maybe we'll see a PS5 Pro? Or maybe it got cancelled and this was its dev kits?
LED Guy?
Banned
Yeah this is what I'm thinking as well, this generation we'll see lots of 30 FPS games, that's for sure.
Metroiddarks
Member
Do you think will see it this year or later as happens with the last gen ?
WhispersintheWind
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Just Passing on what I was told. Sorry if it wasn’t the Info you wanted. Have a good day.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I think mid gen refreshes are going to be a persistent thing. 3 years seems fine.
I don't see too many gamers hating that a Pro and X came out. It gives people options. It was the first time console gamers got offered a mid gen system, and I didn't see mass blowback.
More people seemed to stick to the base models, so it shows gamers aren't going to do mass overhauls in purchasing habits. But just like cellphones, as long as console makers get a steady stream of new users upgrading that's fine.
The probably prefer it this way instead of rolling the dice on 7 year systems.
Apollo Helios
Member
Dude again this is simple. We like games but we don't know what we want, we don't even know what we should want for next generation of gaming. We just take what we are given, right? Well developers know what they want, and the developers also know what we want. So on console manufacturer's PoV, it is (or should've be) quite simple to listen to them and give the developers what they want, so that in turn they will satisfy us.
On Tempest 3D and SeX's 3D audio solution, it is also a bit complicated but works the same. On that point, even the developers don't know what they want in audio/realism, they probably don't even know what could they ask for. The consumers are beyond oblivious to this, how could they not be if developers don't invest in great 3D audio at all. Now consoles themselves are pushing it, so we will get something we didn't know we needed but probably loved anyway....
Open your horizon man, chill..
don't be a fanboy rooting for ruin
and appreciate what you're given
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
don't be a dick.
Wrong , it was in the DF article, but apparently was edited out because it was mis explained.
Dr Strange
Member
Yeah agreed, but 52 active CUs at 1.82Ghz 12.1 RDNA 2 tflops is not something easy to predict! That Fisher guy had at least something completely right unlike all those insider frauds here!
Reindeer
Member
Maybe at 4k, but 60FPS should be doable at 1440p or 1080p in extreme cases.
ethomaz
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The fake news come from Gamespot.
Gears 5 Is Coming to Xbox Series X With Improvements, Possible 120 FPS Support
Gears 5 is getting major technical improvements on Xbox Series X, and the new version is a free upgrade anyone who bought it on Xbox One.
www.gamespot.com
“Improvements on Xbox Series X include better textures and volumetric fog, higher particle count, and 60 frames per second during cutscenes for a smoother transition to gameplay. Shadows and lighting have also been improved, and the game is currently running at 100 frames per second with potential to hit 120 frames per second in multiplayer.”
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Turk1993
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I expect (almost know for sure) atleast 4 games that will run 4k 60fps with next gen intensive graphics
- Next Forza Motorsport
- Next Gran Turismo
- Next Gears Of Wars
- Next battlefield
So here’s a thought, why can’t we have a 699.99 console? I’m not saying it has to be the only option, you can have your 399.99 base model. I don’t get the “it’s too expensive” argument, most phones start at that price nowadays and they sell millions of them every year. And here’s a fun thought experiment, let’s say MS or Sony were to reveal this 699.99 console tomorrow(selling it at cost or for a slight loss). What would you say the spec sheet would say?
xool
Member
If by "impressive" you mean more - then yes - power consumption is at least the cube of the clock - I'm expecting the PS5 to draw maybe 25% more power yhan XbX.
The PS5 @2.2GHz will be very power inefficient, unless there's some magick ingredient we don't know about.
Like I said, it was in the Digital Foundry main article as well, but was removed. I read it there when it was first posted, it's gone now. There was a whole discussion on it in beyond3d forums in one of their threads too. DF misunderstood something they were told.The fake news come from Gamespot.
Gears 5 Is Coming to Xbox Series X With Improvements, Possible 120 FPS Support
Gears 5 is getting major technical improvements on Xbox Series X, and the new version is a free upgrade anyone who bought it on Xbox One.
“Improvements on Xbox Series X include better textures and volumetric fog, higher particle count, and 60 frames per second during cutscenes for a smoother transition to gameplay. Shadows and lighting have also been improved, and the game is currently running at 100 frames per second with potential to hit 120 frames per second in multiplayer.”
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
If DF is saying the benchmarks they saw for XSX were very, very similar to stock RTX 2080, and they can eventually get a little over that, then I'd say the PS5 should be about a 1080ti, but with RTX. So something in between 2070 and 2070 Super, but a little more towards the latter.
thurnishaleygw
Member
I'm really into the whole Tempest 3D Audio Tech. Surely Xbox have their own great solution for 3D audio, but personally I'm glad Sony did go kind of deep with audio this time around, and talked about it more in depth than I would have expected. As a sound engineer (although I work primarily in the music business), it's exciting for me to see that it's something they're taking seriously this time around.
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Metroiddarks
Member
Sorry for that ... bad day in work
WhispersintheWind
Member
Sorry your having a bad day at work. Be thankful your working. A lot of people getting Temp lay offs because of Covid-19.
I hope your day gets better.
SonGoku
Member
If there are any next gen exclusives at launch i don't think they'll hit 4k and 60fps simultaneously
dynamic 4k/30fps second year maybe?
These are just guesses based on past gens games releases and spec comparison, nothing certain about it.
Agree, mid gen refreshes are super good imo, console performance and resolution always degrade as gen advances. Its good to have an option for those who care about image quality and consistent performance that would otherwise switch to PC.
It doesn't affect early adopters in the slightest, base consoles remain as lead dev consoles
Nickolaidas
Member
X Series X is all like,
while the PlayStation 5 is all like,
while the PlayStation 5 is all like,
demigod
Member
God damn, I just told people what folks were saying on here about the 100fps, now i feel like an idiot. THANKS GUYS.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Ah don't worry, 99% of people here including me probably spits a lot of bullshit pretending to know how hardware and software works on a deep level. It's the classic "hardcore fan who actually never opened a book" syndrome.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
It is on Xbox own news site that it was running at 100 fps
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire
A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...
news.xbox.com
SonGoku
Member
There will be exceptions but 4k/60fps won't be the norm, now a few nitpicks: Next Gears & Forza wont be truly next gen exclusive, next GT wont maintain a locked 60fps (yamauchi likes to push limits)I expect (almost know for sure) atleast 4 games that will run 4k 60fps with next gen intensive graphics
- Next Forza Motorsport
- Next Gran Turismo
- Next Gears Of Wars
- Next battlefield
Next BF if next gen exclusive i fully expect framerate dips or dynamic resolution or a mix of both.
Metroiddarks
Member
SonGoku
Member
Noice at least my base expectations were met, only thing that was a total let down is ram but maybe they are "balaced systems"
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VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Explain why PS5 is more powerful or ban.It is on Xbox own news site that it was running at 100 fps
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire
A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Joking.
Fanboys and stuff you know. Meh, doesn't matter.
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Reindeer
Member
They don't state at what resolution and settings it was running at 100FPS, which is different to some people who said it was running 4K ultra at 100FPS.It is on Xbox own news site that it was running at 100 fps
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire
A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...
Mass Shift
Member
Correct. The narratives started shifting the moment the 1X came on the scene, but most understood why.
If we're to believe any of this, 36CUs and 52CUs are going to perform nearly identical. Balance and speed is now preferable to power. It wasn't always that way but whatever.
As disingenuous as that is, the case for the PS5's SSD is pretty solid, and could assist in the platform's short comings in a big way. Cerny made the SSD the center of this console, and he didn't half step it any way. It's going to pay dividends.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
In the same token it can be implied it is so neither argument is valid until proven otherwise.
It has a bigger PSU and uses more watts so it is more 'powerful'.
Rudius
Member
This is a correct representation of the difference between 12.1 and 10.3 inches.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
First off I never said PS5 would be more powerful from day 1 I have said the XsX would have the power advantage though I thought they would be closer.
Don't make threats like that over this silly shit
LED Guy?
Banned
Yeah you're right, but never say never, this gaming industry has been really unpredictable these days more than ever.
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Mass Shift
Member
Both of those images are disturbing . Lol
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Damn, this reveal really did burned some brain cells.
I said JOKING.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
It didn't burn any brain cells for me I am super excited to play amazing games on the PS5.
I was not the one trying to ban people.
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