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jose4gg
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Gamernyc78
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ArcaneNLSC
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That Developer who was analyzing the UE5 presentation
Not going to lie I've been refreshing his channels page a few times each day to see if part 2 of the Mark Cerny PS5 talk has been uploaded
Shmunter
Member
Yeah that’s the thing
ethomaz
Banned
Because it uses data as cache in the MP and probably download something after installed plus the future planned DLCs,It required 130GB from the beggining...
The full game download was 64.72GB at launch on US PS Store.
Activision own words.
“In each of the Specs, the HDD references HD space of 175GB. 175GB is the storage space we recommend players keep available in order to download the post-launch content we’ll be bringing to Modern Warfare. At launch, the initial download will be smaller”
Edit - Fixed the size.
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SirTerry-T
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Just enjoy your toys FFS.
These things don't cure cancer.
These things don't cure cancer.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Don't worry I've got you covered
If I've missed anyone, don't worry you will be seated soony
Bah! There goes my doggo hood ornament! Just put me below the Tequila kitty and end it now for me!
Edit: Actually, flip my avatar and sit me right on top of the XSX angled just right.
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No that’s not the thing. It isn’t recompiled. Yes you have to download it.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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But if they did, it's pretty clear which one would do a better job of it.
Shmunter
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What’s it downloading? Clearly not the regular game patch.
jose4gg
Member
I understand, but to my initial point... if COD was designed to take 35% of the HDD for the PS5, why would they don't follow the same practice and design the game to take 35% of 825GB, without the duplicate assets, adding better compression rate with Kraken, they can use 288GB for their next games and easily compress a lot more data than before...
Apollo Helios
Member
I looked some more and I maybe wrong. I will post when I get it.
ethomaz
Banned
Well if they keep adding content yes they can reach 288GB but that is very unlikely for a yearly franchise.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Ok let's make it simple:
-Games will have no duplicates in storage, which is a major thing why games have inflated in size.
-PS5 game compression is improved by 30%, so same games from PS4 should be smaller even without touching the duplicates, and will be pretty small when optimized for PS5 without a graphics upgrade patch.
-The UE5 demo was more like a stress test, it was a show off of how powerful PS5 combined with UE5 can crunch randomly thrown raw Hollywood assets. The impressive Quixel Rebirth trailer used -5.3x smaller assets here (25% compressed 4K assets):
If the SSD + I/O could crunch raw 8K Hollywood-level (20 million polygons per frame at 1440p [4.7 polygons per pixel]) then 4K assets would be nothing, or even using compressed 8K assets and instead using 17 million polygon per frame at native 4K (2 polygons per pixel). I sincerely believe that PS5 will have a noticeable resolution advantage on UE5 multiplats or any engine optimized for streaming assets, although Mark Cerny said that happens automatically by the API, not sure if he's talking generally or for optimized engines. Overall, I think it's better not to brag about resolution on the Xbox side, as GT7 is already aiming for 4K@240fps which is an equivalent to the gigantic 8K@60fps.
Yes, with that demo it was doing around 1440p@~40fps and possible 60fps when the engine is ready and optimized.
Most games will be below the 100GB mark, the limit of Blu-ray disc, some will have 2 discs probably like back in the PS1 era. You can always use external SSD, even slower than the main SSD in PS5, to store less used games if you feel so.
Most assets will still be duplicated in game, but not in storage, and that's a huge difference.
Regards, friend.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that the UE5 demo was using 16K shadows!
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BadBreathOfTheWild
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It's not like they wrote one emulator engine and that solves that. Each game needs work by Microsoft, and they are released in batches as and when they've got them working. It may not be recompiling, but each might need its own environment to work properly from the article someone linked earlier. More like wrapping API calls than running in a virtual machine, maybe.
PowerPC architecture is much closer to x86 than Cell is, though.
I was wrong.
Sounds like there is some recompile but I don’t think they are using source code
www.gamesradar.com
Sounds like there is some recompile but I don’t think they are using source code
How Xbox One X emulation technology is helping to resurrect the last two generations of Xbox classics in 4K
How good forward planning and the 'Heutchy Method' allow Microsoft to upscale their classic Xbox games in 4K
SirTerry-T
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There's really no hope for some of you buggers is there?
ethomaz
Banned
If I’m not wrong they recompile the game to run via emulation.
“We then take old 360 games and run them in the emulator.”
“Basically, we have a VGPU – or an Xbox 360 GPU that we’ve recompiled into x86 – and we run the entire 360 OS stack,“
“We take each game, we recompile it so that it runs, but basically we’re running it still in a 360, and the team goes through the game with multiple passes.”
In simple terms they created a emulator for 360 to run over x86 and the games needs to be compiled to it.
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That is recompiling a virtual gpu into x86 not game code. Look in the article I linked further down.
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“We take each game, we recompile it so that it runs, but basically we’re running it still in a 360, and the team goes through the game with multiple passes.”
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Shmunter
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I suspect HLE style emulation. Where the system calls are intercepted and translated to the new hardware calls, as opposed to creating a fully singing and dancing Xbox 360 emu. HLE requires individual understanding of the api calls each game makes which would explain some kind of wrapper per game. Indeed this is how Xbox classic emulation worked on 360 if I’m not wrong, makes sense they built on it.
See what you find.
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ethomaz
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They clearly said they need to recompile each game...
“We take each game, we recompile it so that it runs, but basically we’re running it still in a 360, and the team goes through the game with multiple passes.”
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BadBreathOfTheWild
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True, and we all know which side "some" is referring to...
jose4gg
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I don't think they will add content, the only thing they will do is increase the quality of the content they use, instead of 1080p textures, they can go with 4 and 8K textures... Will It increase the game file? yes. Will they be able to remove a lot of duplicate assets? yes. Will they use better compression than before because now they don't need to decompress using the CPU? Yes... So if they needed 35% of 500GB for a game, good, now they have 35% of 825GB...
MasterCornholio
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The Series S is the stump that forms the base of the table.
Edit2: did I miss that whole bottom section you posted? I must be blind today.
Shmunter
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Definitely sounds like HLE. Low compatibility due to individual analysis required, but best performance.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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Being able to recompile and hack the game around to run closer to natively, or in the way WINE works is preferable to running in some software emulator. Microsoft are doing a good job, either way. Much harder to do with games tightly optimised around Cell and its quirks and timings, I'd imagine.
SportsFan581
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I was wrong.
Sounds like there is some recompile but I don’t think they are using source code
How Xbox One X emulation technology is helping to resurrect the last two generations of Xbox classics in 4K
How good forward planning and the 'Heutchy Method' allow Microsoft to upscale their classic Xbox games in 4K
I was looking for this today. I thought I had seen them directly mention recompiling the games. The IGN article I found made it sound like they weren't. That's "journalism" for you.
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ethomaz
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I’m not sure what are you trying to say... the community 8k texture pack for Skyrim is 5.5GB.
Texture won’t increase the game size like you are thinking even with 8k textures.
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Insane Metal
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GermanZepp
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ethomaz
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It is still software emulation.
The 360 GPU is emulated on XB1.
They recompile the games to get better performance because they have the source game for that something that most emulators doesn’t.
It is different from Wine.
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Faithless83
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I could be wrong but I don’t think they have source. I assume they disassemble the executable.
Ps. Here is another interview about backwards compatibility. I only listened to a little bit so far.
Eric Heutchy on Backward Compatibility, Xbox One X Enhanced Games, and The Heutchy Method
Xbox One X Enhanced Games with Backward Compatibility are AMAZING. You can play a decade old game - originally meant for 640x480 or 720p resolution - and enjoy it in 4k resolution. Not upscaled. Actually up to 10x clearer within recompiling the game? How? Xbox's Eric Heutchy tells Scott how!
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Bo_Hazem
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It's more than likely that PS5 doesn't need those cheap cheats. When you are already pushing 4.7 polygons per pixel per frame for a 1440p@~40fps why would you need extra computational trickeries like anti-aliasing, VRS, etc? Geometry Engines do crunch sub-pixel polygons so you don't need LOD's, VRS, anti-aliasing, or DLSS. These four are very great for current and ancient gaming methods, we are entering a new era of gaming.
Better use that extra leftover power on what matters.
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ethomaz
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To be fair they never disclosed how they recompile it.I could be wrong but I don’t think they have source. I assume they disassemble the executable.
Ps. Here is another interview about backwards compatibility. I only listened to a little bit so far.
Eric Heutchy on Backward Compatibility, Xbox One X Enhanced Games, and The Heutchy Method
Xbox One X Enhanced Games with Backward Compatibility are AMAZING. You can play a decade old game - originally meant for 640x480 or 720p resolution - and enjoy it in 4k resolution. Not upscaled. Actually up to 10x clearer within recompiling the game? How? Xbox's Eric Heutchy tells Scott how!hanselminutes.com
Listen at the 3 minute mark. No access to source code.
Edit: converting executable code to assembly is simple. Done all the time. The hard part is making sense of any of it.
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Yakuzakazuya
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Bo_Hazem
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Rusco Da Vino
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First you posted TimDog's shit here as a matter of fact.
Now, you tell us that the next CoD is going to be 35% of the PS5 SSD (825GB). So following your logic, the new CoD is going to be bigger on the SX, because it has 1TB.
Cut the crap
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bitbydeath
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Anchoring it to the floor?
Sinthor
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jose4gg
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First you posted TimDog's shit here as a matter of fact.
Now, you tell us that the next CoD is going to be the 35% of the PS5 SSD (825Gb). So following your logic, the new CoD is going to be bigger on the SX, because it has 1TB.
Cut the crap
No, that's not what I'm saying, this debate is because people were saying increasing the size of the file would not be possible because the size of the SSD, I responded with this calculation, saying that is not what is going to happen...
Bo_Hazem
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The blued part is actually what I liked about Sony here, they're just referring to themselves and even in the Road to PS5 they were comparing to themselves as well, skipping competition:
It's strange when Phil said that both PlayStation and Nintendo aren't the main competitors, but Google and Amazon are. Then why always refer to the "non-competitor" and even retweet their own demo that they didn't even bother to retweet themselves?
I like what Sony's doing here, showing that competition is non-existent.
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Crimson_Fate
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