Setsuna Mudou
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Lol how exactly is MS getting any money from my new gpu purchase?
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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I think these are not launch games, are they? do you even have a release date for the bolded?
ratchet to tell you the truth is not for my tastes in the category "best games"
and spiderman, not even close to cyberpunk, and I have already teared the city apart so much, have chased every fucking pigeon and disposed every bad guy from every terace.
it being the same map... I will get that "bored" feeling, I know. I wish at least they add something, like the ability to explore buildings or equivalent. we will see.
BUT
you are correct.
I buy both day 1, ON THE CONDITION that I am satisfied with what I will see from a hands-on and a stripdown of PS5
and be sure that it wont behave like my spiderman ed. ps4pro. I dont even keep it in my game room. if it sounds like that, maybe I will wait some time.
TrippleA345
Member
Hello everyone
According to Nvidia, a 7 GB/s SSD is ~100x faster than an HDD. That is logical. The I/O API promises performance improvement by factor 2 compared to the previous API architecture. That's very good, but if factor 2 is really the performance improvement, it is quite far behind the PS5.
As I said, except for Factor 2, Nvidia has not given any other performance values.
And the DirectStorage API will be rolled out as a preview for selected developers next year. When it will really be available for everyone is not known. Mid 2021 at the earliest. At worst 2022.
To sum it up: The Spider Man load time demo from spring 2019 has already shown very good performance values for the actual I/O. The first games will already be released this year, making massive use of it. Sony is at least 2 years ahead of everyone and seems to be quite ahead in performance values.
Why do I mention this? Because the biggest influence in the development of very large games is data management. As a simple example: from 21:10 to 22:50 SpiderMan (2018)
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A 30 seconds long scene needs 1 month of work. Why? Data Management. Problem: I/O and Latency (fetching Data).
Nevertheless, 500$(500€? wtf) for the RTX 3070 (similar to 2080TI Performance, 1100€ wtf) sound outstanding good as well. Competition stimulates the business.
Maybe the golden age [proved by Movie quality in the Unreal Engine 5 demo, full raytracing in the Nvidia show] for gaming is coming.
According to Nvidia, a 7 GB/s SSD is ~100x faster than an HDD. That is logical. The I/O API promises performance improvement by factor 2 compared to the previous API architecture. That's very good, but if factor 2 is really the performance improvement, it is quite far behind the PS5.
As I said, except for Factor 2, Nvidia has not given any other performance values.
And the DirectStorage API will be rolled out as a preview for selected developers next year. When it will really be available for everyone is not known. Mid 2021 at the earliest. At worst 2022.
To sum it up: The Spider Man load time demo from spring 2019 has already shown very good performance values for the actual I/O. The first games will already be released this year, making massive use of it. Sony is at least 2 years ahead of everyone and seems to be quite ahead in performance values.
Why do I mention this? Because the biggest influence in the development of very large games is data management. As a simple example: from 21:10 to 22:50 SpiderMan (2018)
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A 30 seconds long scene needs 1 month of work. Why? Data Management. Problem: I/O and Latency (fetching Data).
Nevertheless, 500$(500€? wtf) for the RTX 3070 (similar to 2080TI Performance, 1100€ wtf) sound outstanding good as well. Competition stimulates the business.
Maybe the golden age [proved by Movie quality in the Unreal Engine 5 demo, full raytracing in the Nvidia show] for gaming is coming.
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zaitsu
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You supporting MS shit fail after fail is reason for another failures.
They cant learn from mistakes when their fanbase accept everything. Common you accepted halo and chose to protect it.
If not for Sony fanbase you will be getting this shit right into your mouth this year.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Buying windows...People still buy windows?most people building PC either pirate it or already have a copy. Even then you can buy keys for it for like £5 online.
read
and in this post there is a link to the original video.
go count that
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Time jumps purposely from 0.30 to 01.00 to inflate the total time, pure FUD. Bo it's worse than that, it's every 30ms it jumps 30ms more. Yeah this should qtleast have to be taken down. This is false information.www.neogaf.com
You guys are really SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!
I'm with you on this. They can time it for themselves and see that the second counter isn't wrong so I don't know why the strong denial. Someone clearly misinterpreted the timer but it's no big deal to admit a mistake was made.
sircaw
Banned
the thing is those games are coming before the xbox exclusives, that's the whole point.
And yes i know your buying both, it makes me wonder why your always throwing shade in ps5s direction.
Very very strange
Apollo Helios
Member
I know what a fucking Timecode is! I am Cinema and Television Graduate! I work in feature length film editing, TV advertisement shooting/editing and making social media video bites! Timecode depends on counting frames and if your definition of a second changes from source video to the timecode that you are running on, the Timecode will be wrong! It needs to be 1 second = 24 frames for BOTH the video AND the time code, if video is 30 FPS which means 1 second = 30 frames, but you are running a Timecode that is still 1 second = 24 frames, your TIMECODE IS GOING TO BE WRONG and your ass will be fired if you do something like that in a feature length film project!read
and in this post there is a link to the original video.
go count that
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Time jumps purposely from 0.30 to 01.00 to inflate the total time, pure FUD. Bo it's worse than that, it's every 30ms it jumps 30ms more. Yeah this should qtleast have to be taken down. This is false information.
You guys are really SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!
Mod of War
I can send a picture of my diploma and picture/videos/project files from my previous projects etc. if it is required for proof but this guy needs to stop trying to use that video for a proof in anything, it is fruit of the poisonous tree! I don't have report function but I would like to report this guy for using a doctored video or a video that is not reflecting real facts for inciting console wars over it! I know I have the facts on my side. His claims fall short on inspection. The ball is in your court and a simple knock it off both of ya won't cut it this time bc I am putting my credibility on the line backed with vetting if needs be.
danielJackson
Banned
read
and in this post there is a link to the original video.
go count that
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Time jumps purposely from 0.30 to 01.00 to inflate the total time, pure FUD. Bo it's worse than that, it's every 30ms it jumps 30ms more. Yeah this should qtleast have to be taken down. This is false information.
You guys are really SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!
That makes some sense, but whom ever started this should have had explained it clearly that last digits are frames. Kind of misleading way to present a video game when this format is "never" used for it, which leads into this mess.
It should show seconds+fractions of seconds, now there isnt easy way to tell if it takes 1.01s - 1.99s (it would show 1s) or 2.01s - 2.99s (would show 2s) which would on worst case make it look like 3s difference is just 2 seconds.(1.00s vs 2.99s)
If someone uses some caveman measure unit they cant assume that people understand it without good explanation.
Because 00:00:00:00 = hours:minutes:seconds:fractions of seconds is the most logical conclusion otherwise for non-movie editors
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Ass of Can Whooping
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How many hours has it been and I see Shark is still at it
sircaw
Banned
Selling tickets at the ticketbooth at Cineworld does not make you special FFS.
sorry i could not help myself
born bad
MasterCornholio
Member
I know what a fucking Timecode is! I am Cinema and Television Graduate! I work in feature length film editing, TV advertisement shooting/editing and making social media video bites! Timecode depends on counting frames and if your definition of a second changes from source video to the timecode that you are running on, the Timecode will be wrong! It needs to be 1 second = 24 frames for BOTH the video AND the time code, if video is 30 FPS which means 1 second = 30 frames, but you are running a Timecode that is still 1 second = 24 frames, your TIMECODE IS GOING TO BE WRONG and your ass will be fired if you do something like that in a feature length film project!
Just a suggestion. Use your skills to create a video that you think is correct and just compare the two.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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I said I'm buying both day 1 ON THE CONDITION that ps5's build quality is not the shit that is ps4pro.
This is what I'm saying all this time. About performance etc, I know how to read specs, I know how to look past PR bullshit.
Thus, I already know that the new xbone will be my main console.
And about the sony good first party games hitting before xbox's good ones, that's pure speculation on your part.
Halo and Forza are of my favorite games, and right now I am not so sure that they will be released later than sony's good games.
We will see this together as time progresses.
edit: and I am not throwing shade at nothing. I just hate console racism and blind fanatism
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zaitsu
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He has nothing more to say.
Asked why to buy XSX over PC if money isnt an issue he never answers.
Also he didnt answer what would be the reason to buy XSX over PS5 if money isnt an issue and you don't need gamepass.
zaitsu
Banned
You lost me at halo and Forza being your favourite games.
I mean even being fanboy has a limit.
I am playstation fanboy and my favourite games are tlou,gow rdr and Witcher.
Edit : i can give you even my gamer tag on xbox because i did played rdr and Witcher on xbox one x. And thats why i refuse to buy another xbox console. Because ive bought it to play multiplatforms i could play on PS4 Pro. And for what purpouse. It was just waste of money. That 500$ really hurts me because i never played any game on XOX which makes me " wow gla ive bought it so much better than ps4 pro". I felt for MS pr. Never fuvking again.
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sircaw
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Gamerguy84
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Thats insane value for that 3070.
Looks like a 3070 for my kid but Ill need a mobo. I will get flight sim for me though.
A PS5 for me. Im replaying R&C on my PRO now because of all the recent noise, looks great.
Looks like a 3070 for my kid but Ill need a mobo. I will get flight sim for me though.
A PS5 for me. Im replaying R&C on my PRO now because of all the recent noise, looks great.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
They're the only two exclusives that might be releasing in the consoles first year so i'm not suprised those are his favourite lmao
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Lampard
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Haha console racism? Where do you start with that gem.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
what are you even talking about?I know what a fucking Timecode is! I am Cinema and Television Graduate! I work in feature length film editing, TV advertisement shooting/editing and making social media video bites! Timecode depends on counting frames and if your definition of a second changes from source video to the timecode that you are running on, the Timecode will be wrong! It needs to be 1 second = 24 frames for BOTH the video AND the time code, if video is 30 FPS which means 1 second = 30 frames, but you are running a Timecode that is still 1 second = 24 frames, your TIMECODE IS GOING TO BE WRONG and your ass will be fired if you do something like that in a feature length film project!
on the video I transloaded, the timecode is 100% correct, and not at a 24fps *SEE PICTURE BELOW*
I also wrote that I timed it myself to be sure before posting, I even uploaded another video I cut myself from the recent gamescom video without any counting overlay and asked everyone to use their mobile phones stopwatch to count.
I got back an overwhelming majority of unbelievable answers, from people getting me reported for spreading false information, to other's saying "I dont need to time nothing", to "you are stupid", to "they are prolonging the load time for artistic reasons" , "prolonging the load times so as to not get dizzy with dat SSD speed", and way too much RAGE. just like yours.
....and you are supposed to be a professional....
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
MM and R&C are hitting at launch/close to launch. No speculation there. Throw H:FW, Demon's Souls, GT7 and the rest into the mix and it's a slaughter. There's no uncertainty needed.
geordiemp
Member
what are you even talking about?
on the video I transloaded, the timecode is 100% correct, and not at a 24fps *SEE PICTURE BELOW*
I also wrote that I timed it myself to be sure before posting, I even uploaded another video I cut myself from the recent gamescom video without any counting overlay and asked everyone to use their mobile phones stopwatch to count.
I got back an overwhelming majority of unbelievable answers, from people getting me reported for spreading false information, to other's saying "I dont need to time nothing", to "you are stupid", to "they are prolonging the load time for artistic reasons" , "prolonging the load times so as to not get dizzy with dat SSD speed", and way too much RAGE. just like yours.
....and you are supposed to be a professional....
Its about the same time XSX takes to load in 1 static tree in Halo .
Also all the fast GPU loading, DF video loading borderlands 3 took forever, dont hold your breath guys....wait till they SHOW YOU.
What is the point exactly of 1 to 2 sseconds , better than 10-15 ?
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TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
it is what it is, and in my life I call things as I see them.
I also regularly say that what happens here is a manifestation of fear and confirmation bias en masse.
Neo Blaster
Member
In my case, if I already couldn't care less about PC gaming(I have a potato rig), PS is where I need to go to play awesome and quality proven exclusive experiences.
Killer Sakoman
Member
Never invest in a second platform for extra few pixels on 3rd party games. You won't see any difference. That's why PC is the choice for 3rd parties, but even recently it lost that magical difference. I told many of my friends who considered PC, that PC was worth it during PS360 era where PC version of 3rd party games were 2 generations ahead. I cannot believe people played fallout 3 and Skyrim on consoles at that time.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
Halo has been stoned to death because it was shown on pc. Now it is your xbox benchmark? Strange.
Also I already pointed out that what DF's win10 pc does not have, is microsoft's DX IO. hence he loading times.
Groundhog Day
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note to people that were very rude to me, and I replied that they are on ignore list as a consequence:
dont waste your time quoting me or asking me things. even if I press the "show ignored" in order to see the context of a comment, and see YOUR comments or quotes for me, there is no way in hell I am wasting any time at all to converse with you again.
fair and square
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jimbojim
Banned
Really it's not a speculation. It's a damn fact that Sony will release majority of announced 1st party games till end of 2021.
What a HYPOCRITE
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geordiemp
Member
Yes it is ground hog day, you keep going on about 1 or 2 seconds Ratchet load times for a whole new world, and thats bad compared against what exacly ?
But continue its amusing.
There is always an excuse why others cant come close to Ps5 loads, funny that, You wonder why ?
Tell you what, lets revisit this in 2 months, I bet you still waiting for a 2 second fast load other than Ps5.
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IbelieveInGenerations
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Continues...
But the thing is that its not just about the ssd, but How customized and unique the I/O logic Works...
PCfan: pure marketing bs, It doesnt do anything special
XDiscors: Cerny lied, Cerny lied!! 12tf is all you will ever need!!!
Neo Blaster
Member
Man, you're really a lost cause...
If you want to wait God knows how many years to know whether a specific PS exclusive will go to PC, be my guest and indulge yourself with a new card right now.
MasterCornholio
Member
There's the 100GBs of instantly available data from the Velocity Architecture. But I haven't seen any proof of that yet. Probably never will to be honest.
The way Insomniac are using the I/O with Ratchet is very impressive. I'm also interested in seeing how it performs with their Spiderman game.
Killer Sakoman
Member
Don't bother with him.
Also he and other fanboys from his side assume the the whole portal transition is load time. But, Cerny said that they had to intentionally slow down loading transitions in games because split second transitions are dis-orienting. He said this in the reveal. I agree, who wants split second flashes. That will be worse than VR nausea.
Radical Dreamer
Member
Console racism. Now I've seen every thing. You're fucked up in the head mate...
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
just the facts:
right now xbox can quick-resume a 100GB game (forza 7) in less time that it takes ps5 to load a level in astrobot.
amusing it is.
and I am sure in two months time we will still be living a very paranormal groundhog day.
ignore list for you too
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Neo Blaster
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geordiemp
Member
No, it was slow transition for the controller demo that Geoff ran in his home running on ????
Facts are hard. Delusion is easy.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think they know, can't be this crazy, can they? It's a new FUD, we're used to it already.
jimbojim
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J_Gamer.exe
Member
I guess you won't see this then, but yes its a fake video as it times a portal load screen through the portal and carries on to the ground, its beyond stupid. The fact you linked it shows your agenda.
Thats the only way you could say Ratchet took longer than the 5 seconds I mentioned in the xbox game, is to use completely false figures.
At least everyone including the mods can see what you do.
You spout pure bullshit lies and then get called out and can't answer so deflect, then play the victim and put me on ignore. Very sad, where is the honesty....
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IbelieveInGenerations
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Or people just want a more relatively small box that fits Nice in the living room or any place, much more user friendly and accessable.
I dont understsand why so many people have such hard time to understsand that for many people, desktop with all its many accessories attached to it is a thing of the past for many, many people out there, too much space consuming, not convinent, confortable, practicle and straight to the point wich feels archaic in modern life style.
Vae_Victis
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I want to ask you what you mean by this, because I cannot for the life of me make any sense of this line of reasoning. But then I see that rather than try to explain what you meant, you immediately go on the offensive and start with the passive-aggressive whataboutism.
But maybe it's me and I'm getting a wrong opinion, and you do have a valid point there. So let's try.
You claim that, when people buy a video card, that makes Microsoft money. However, this is extremely far-fetched because:
1) Microsoft is in no way connected to the production of video cards by either Nvidia or AMD, so no portion of the direct purchase goes to them.
2) When people buy games to play on PC, the only cases in which Microsoft makes money is if the game is bought on the Windows Store, or the game is published by Microsoft. However the Windows Store is definitely in the minority as far as PC gaming stores usage go, and Microsoft-published games are few and far between. And in any case, the fact somebody upgrades their video card, or does so now rather than one or two years down the line, hardly proves that they will also be buying more games than they would have anyway.
3) If you mean that people will be entering the Windows ecosystem from nowhere and build a gaming PC from scratch, I have serious doubts this would account for even a fraction of a percentage of Windows sales, if nothing else because, again, PC gamers are already playing games on PC.
4) If you mean that more people will be tempted to subscribe to Game Pass... it's very debatable? And in any case currently Game Pass doesn't net Microsoft any revenue.
I could also go into how Microsoft manages their businesses branches very much separately, so there is no way that they would account for people buying Windows 10 licenses thanks to the "gaming offer" at large and decide to redirect some revenue to their own gaming division - let alone Xbox specifically. Because that is what at the end of the day makes sense: if Xbox did not act anywhere in the complete equation from product offered and money received as payment, why the hell should that tell Microsoft that the right thing to exploit the cycle better in the future is to invest in Xbox?
So, did I miss something? If you disagree with any of my points could you point out which one, and why exactly?
People upgrading to these new cards might end up with more out of pocket considering the PSU you need for the lowest teir and how rare they are/overpriced right now. My 750w evga G3 is double the price I bought it for 2 years ago if you catch them in stock. I ain't shook by no new gpus there were big gpus before and during the launch of PS4 but they still pushed out some of the best games I have played.
Nowcry
Member
Oooohhh the I / O controller is not just fast charging !!!!
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directstorage-is-coming-to-pc/
The evolution of storage technologies and game IO patterns
Recent advancements in SSD and PCIe technologies, specifically NVMe technologies, allow gaming PCs to have storage solutions that deliver far more bandwidth than was ever possible with older hard drive technologies. Instead of tens of megabytes per second, drives like the upcoming Xbox Series X console’s custom NVMe can deliver a blazing-fast multiple gigabytes per second.
Game workloads have also evolved. Modern games load in much more data than older ones and are smarter about how they load this data. These data loading optimizations are necessary for this larger amount of data to fit into shared memory/GPU accessible memory. Instead of loading large chunks at a time with very few IO requests, games now break assets like textures down into smaller pieces, only loading in the pieces that are needed for the current scene being rendered. This approach is much more memory efficient and can deliver better looking scenes, though it does generate many more IO requests.
Unfortunately, current storage APIs were not optimized for this high number of IO requests, preventing them from scaling up to these higher NVMe bandwidths creating bottlenecks that limit what games can do. Even with super-fast PC hardware and an NVMe drive, games using the existing APIs will be unable to fully saturate the IO pipeline leaving precious bandwidth on the table.
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directstorage-is-coming-to-pc/
The evolution of storage technologies and game IO patterns
Recent advancements in SSD and PCIe technologies, specifically NVMe technologies, allow gaming PCs to have storage solutions that deliver far more bandwidth than was ever possible with older hard drive technologies. Instead of tens of megabytes per second, drives like the upcoming Xbox Series X console’s custom NVMe can deliver a blazing-fast multiple gigabytes per second.
Game workloads have also evolved. Modern games load in much more data than older ones and are smarter about how they load this data. These data loading optimizations are necessary for this larger amount of data to fit into shared memory/GPU accessible memory. Instead of loading large chunks at a time with very few IO requests, games now break assets like textures down into smaller pieces, only loading in the pieces that are needed for the current scene being rendered. This approach is much more memory efficient and can deliver better looking scenes, though it does generate many more IO requests.
Unfortunately, current storage APIs were not optimized for this high number of IO requests, preventing them from scaling up to these higher NVMe bandwidths creating bottlenecks that limit what games can do. Even with super-fast PC hardware and an NVMe drive, games using the existing APIs will be unable to fully saturate the IO pipeline leaving precious bandwidth on the table.
Lampard
Neo Member
Clearly you have a lot to say, not a lot of it makes sense and isn’t helping your case of people attacking you. Do you know what racism is?
You can call things as you see it but doesn’t mean the delusion in your mind makes it right.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Can confirm I am a console racist
I've sent countless xbots and switch babies to my consoletration camps to fix their ways and put them back on the righteous path
I've sent countless xbots and switch babies to my consoletration camps to fix their ways and put them back on the righteous path
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J_Gamer.exe
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Snowdonhoffen
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Interesting....
MasterCornholio
Member
Did they think Tim Dog was all they needed?
LOL
Just kidding I really think these type of studies are never really that accurate in the end.
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