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[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Gofreak posted these at Reeee:

That's what the patent talks about... cooling solution from both the front and the back of the chip... and it makes sense with the devkit's appearance!

That would totally explain that crazy dev kit design, normally a dev kit is just a plain box with some switches and lights, but they did that design for a reason, I bet the finally design has some charateristics of the dev kit with the 'V' design.

 

[onQ123]

By this "leak" the ps5 is going to be weak as the xbox(both versions) will be both comparable in power for one model and much stronger with other model?

Not only does this leak make no sense it would be game over for Sony if it were true. The edge on power and performance Phil talked about(going by this) is a steam roll for them. A 4 TF+ difference? Come on people.

PS5 sample chip was clocked low at 1GHz back then so it most likely confused some people into thinking that it was going to be 8TF

 

[vpance]

Gofreak posted these at Reeee:

That's what the patent talks about... cooling solution from both the front and the back of the chip... and it makes sense with the devkit's appearance!

I wonder if double heatsink with 2 slower fans is more efficient than 1 that's faster. Seems like it should be assuming they figured out a way to divide the heat evenly to both sides. Even if it's not I guess it's a good way to have a quieter box.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Gofreak posted these at Reeee:

That's what the patent talks about... cooling solution from both the front and the back of the chip... and it makes sense with the devkit's appearance!

I'm hyped for this version of reality.

A stacked chip would explain why if the smaller chip rumors are true, insiders are still pointing to the PS5 having a small performance edge. And I love the TDP implications of cooling it from both ends, gib me ALL THE TDP.

 

[R600]

Why would you need V shaped box to fit that in? I mean, last gen dev kit would be even better fit for it.

 

[John117]

Maybe the "V" could be on the console. Maybe for AIR cooling?

 

[LordOfChaos]

Why would you need V shaped box to fit that in? I mean, last gen dev kit would be even better fit for it.

See the yellow and orange? Heat pipes terminating in big ol heatsinks within the sides of the V. It doesn't NEED to be a V for that, but it does fit the design.


(Also channeing airflow into a wind tunnel has benefits, so maybe a V is best for this idea after all, then-again-again they could do wind tunnels with any shape and just have the shaping internally)

 

[onQ123]

Why would you need V shaped box to fit that in? I mean, last gen dev kit would be even better fit for it.

The V would let air in & out on both sides of each heat-sinks

 

[John117]

V= 5th ge

See the yellow and orange? Heat pipes terminating in big ol heatsinks within the sides of the V. It doesn't NEED to be a V for that, but it does fit the design.

Yep. Your idea is interesting However the DevKit is very cool, maybe the final version would be ugly for the mass but I love this dev kit

 

[John117]

The V would let air in & out on both sides of each heat-sinks

Yep! But they could be use the same system that there's in X1X.

 

[sonomamashine]

Why would you need V shaped box to fit that in? I mean, last gen dev kit would be even better fit for it.

if you want it to look like a og xbox one, but i don't see how it would blow air like the v shape, and i rather have a v shaped box than an xbox one design, there is still that mac pro trash can design tho.

 

[Proelite]

V shape is made to facilitate devkit stacking you can see the two groves on top. This way you only have air flow in front and back of the console.

Imagine below picture but with PS5s devkits.

 

[Mass Shift]

Well they do have that new cooling patent...

They're going to need it. Seriously, if the clocks that are being thrown around have any validity to them then the PS5 is going to have to have the better engineering of the two consoles.

Side note - It's amazing how the PS5's numbers keep inching higher every 24hrs. By Friday, it should be a 16TF console with 24GBs of HBM and clocked @3000GHz.

 

[sonomamashine]

Gofreak posted these at Reeee:

That's what the patent talks about... cooling solution from both the front and the back of the chip... and it makes sense with the devkit's appearance!

According to this the APU looks HUGE.

Side note - It's amazing how the PS5's numbers keep inching higher every 24hrs. By Friday, it should be a 16TF console with 24GBs of HBM and clocked @3000GHz.

Don't push it.

 

[bitbydeath]

They're going to need it. Seriously, if the clocks that are being thrown around have any validity to them then the PS5 is going to have to have the better engineering of the two consoles.

Side note - It's amazing how the PS5's numbers keep inching higher every 24hrs. By Friday, it should be a 16TF console with 24GBs of HBM and clocked @3000GHz.

Let’s just be glad sub 10TF is dead and buried.

 

[Thedtrain]

Has our boy tommy gone missing?

 

[TLZ]

I'm loving this. Now the V does make sense, having heat sinks on both sides and air venting on both sides of each heatsink. And at the same time V for 5 in PS5.

Of course if this all comes true.

 

[MISTER INVEIGLER]

Crazy buttocks was a fake insider? I thought he was vetted long ago. I remember when he got called out by a dev or something.

 

[Fake]

Gofreak posted these at Reeee:

That's what the patent talks about... cooling solution from both the front and the back of the chip... and it makes sense with the devkit's appearance!

So, can be HBM after all?

 

[DJ12]

So, can be HBM after all?

Could be anything at this point, Sony have gone in unexpected ways with memory since the PS3.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

So apparently Klee confirmed the TF number for Xbox not the 64CU part. green hype deflated

You have link for that?

 

[Fake]

Could be anything at this point, Sony have gone in unexpected ways with memory since the PS3.

If HBM so Sony indeed will get me by surprise.

 

[DJ12]

So apparently Klee confirmed the TF number for Xbox not the 64CU part. green hype deflated

Cannot see how 12 tflops is 12 tflops makes no difference to the end user how many cus it's got.
Obviously it stops the ms will just over clock it and beat let narrative, but they all believe ps5 is 8 tflops anyway right...

 

[TLZ]

Yeah, if they're going to call it "just Xbox", but possibly add other consoles in the future, that presumably would be Xbox too, just a different series, but it's all the same, it's still Xbox - that's not confusing at all...

 

[nowhat]

Has our boy tommy gone missing?

Oh Tommy boy, the mods, the mods, they calling
From PM to PM, yet no reply received
We're pretty sure that you were only trolling
But single spec would help us proceed

 

[TeamGhobad]

If HBM so Sony indeed will get me by surprise.

chiplet design with different ram setups? possible?

 

[Fake]

chiplet design with different ram setups? possible?

Dunno, but the way that picture was show. I watched any HBM livestream event from AMD and they really do some kinda strange stuff for stack HBM.
Again, I also dunno what this will be translated to the dev space.
Again of again, just mere speculation. The basic scenario was GDDR6 vs GDDR6.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That is not what I was talking about.

Base PS4 profile will use 18 CUs
Pro profile will use 36 CUs

So why would they build a new machine that will still only have 36 CUs, not leaving a whole lot of room for PS5 based features?

To me, for what they want to achieve with 4K/60 plus RT, etc., the CU count would have to be higher.

To add to this, since the Pro is setup with two 20CU banks (2 disabled), wouldn’t it make sense to add another 20CU bank for 3 in a row, 2 disabled on each for a total of 54CUs?

7nm, higher clocks, more efficient, RDNA+, etc..

 

[XcloudTimdog]

Literally the first "leak" said 14.2, then there was the guy who took a photo at a Sony meeting saying it was 13 or something. (photo was not of the actual slide)

And cannot you see, if xbox is 12, and I think there is probably some mathmatical gymnastics happening there, then PS5 being more powerful, which EVERYONE is saying other than the MS shills, that only get information from Microsoft, 13 makes sense, it maybe more, it maybe less, but actual results from actual hardware have Playstation doing better, from multiple sources.

So enjoy your time basking in the sun, it will be over soon and I expect another hiatus from the boards from you, until you think it's safe to come back or MS announce they have increased the clock speed to be more competitive.... again.

Enjoy making pretend lol

 

[XcloudTimdog]

“Take It To The Bank” Also so if i want to be verified, how can i be assured what i give wont be out in the internet? Id love to show, but i want someone like Tyler to assure me.

 

[Mod of War]

“Take It To The Bank” Also so if i want to be verified, how can i be assured what i give wont be out in the internet? Id love to show, but i want someone like Tyler to assure me.

Check your PM shortly.

 

[XcloudTimdog]

The best insider Komachi already said the soc is 300mm^2, and xbox bigger • more cus• @ 350mm^2

 

[CyberPanda]

 

[44alltheway]

Check your PM shortly.

is our boy Tommy fisher legit? obviously not asking for specifics.

 

[-kb-]

V shape is made to facilitate devkit stacking you can see the two groves on top. This way you only have air flow in front and back of the console.

Imagine below picture but with PS5s devkits.

theres no real proof of this, why does the console need to be stackable but no other console in the past has required it?.

Also I don’t quite understand how every other squarish console isn’t stackable?. Seems more stackable then this design.

 

[Insane Metal]

The best insider Komachi already said the soc is 300mm^2, and xbox bigger • more cus• @ 350mm^2

He's not an insider though. He's looking through publicly released data of unregistered products and making assumptions. Anyway, as the rumors suggest, the XSX has more CUs while the PS5 has higher clocks. More CUs = wider area. Also more expensive to make. If Sony's cooling solution pays off it's a very smart move to cut costs.

Prediction time!

XSX = 56CUs @ ~1.690Ghz = 12.1TF
PS5 = 52CUs @ ~2.000Ghz = 13.3TF

 

[-kb-]

He's not an insider though. He's looking through publicly released data of unregistered products and making assumptions. Anyway, as the rumors suggest, the XSX has more CUs while the PS5 has higher clocks. More CUs = wider area. Also more expensive to make. If Sony's cooling solution pays off it's a very smart move to cut costs.

Prediction time!

XSX = 56CUs @ ~1.690Ghz = 12.1TF
PS5 = 52CUs @ ~2.000Ghz = 13.3TF

The higher clocks may end up being more expensive depending on the yields that they can get with chips that reach the desired clocks.

 

[TLZ]

is our boy Tommy fisher legit? obviously not asking for specifics.

Yea. The people want to know!

 

[Insane Metal]

The higher clocks may end up being more expensive depending on the yields that they can get with chips that reach the desired clocks.

If they're using 7nm+ I don't think reaching those clocks will be a problem.

 

[sonomamashine]

He's not an insider though. He's looking through publicly released data of unregistered products and making assumptions. Anyway, as the rumors suggest, the XSX has more CUs while the PS5 has higher clocks. More CUs = wider area. Also more expensive to make. If Sony's cooling solution pays off it's a very smart move to cut costs.

Prediction time!

XSX = 56CUs @ ~1.690Ghz = 12.1TF
PS5 = 52CUs @ ~2.000Ghz = 13.3TF

I really hope that both consoles are above 12Tf.

 

[onQ123]

The best insider Komachi already said the soc is 300mm^2, and xbox bigger • more cus• @ 350mm^2

Xbox One SoC was also bigger than PS4 APU but how did that turn out?

 

[-kb-]

Xbox One SoC was also bigger than PS4 APU but how did that turn out?

to be fair that was because the eSRAM took up 20% of the die area.

 

[onQ123]

to be fair that was because the eSRAM took up 20% of the die area.

And PS5 chip could be smaller because they moved logic off the APU & onto it's own layer to be stacked

 

[megreotsugua]

And PS5 chip could be smaller because they moved logic off the APU & onto it's own layer to be stacked

Tommy Fisher where are you? Other insiders have already started giving out bingos.

Can you bingo this.

 

[EightBitNate]

The idea of a “V shape” console is so weird to me. Can’t imagine Sony going for that after the simpleness of the PS4 designs. If we do see a V shape, I imagine it’ll look extremely different to the dev kits.

Also, can’t say I’m too upset either way if one console edges out the other. 12TF, SSDs, hardware dedicated to RT, beefy CPUs...these things will be beasts either way. Marginal performance difference either way isn’t something to get hung up on. I’m sure exclusives will look spectacular on both

 

[TLZ]

The idea of a “V shape” console is so weird to me. Can’t imagine Sony going for that after the simpleness of the PS4 designs. If we do see a V shape, I imagine it’ll look extremely different to the dev kits.

If it does happen, I imagine it'll be very subtle.

 

[megreotsugua]

Guys, is OsirisBlack an insider?

 

[44alltheway]

Guys, is OsirisBlack an insider?

I'd say the jury is still out. not a definite yes or no.

 

[onQ123]

Tommy Fisher where are you? Other insiders have already started giving out bingos.

Can you bingo this.

Not saying that this is how the PS5 chip is designed but we do know that it has a fast SSD

 

[XcloudTimdog]

He's not an insider though. He's looking through publicly released data of unregistered products and making assumptions. Anyway, as the rumors suggest, the XSX has more CUs while the PS5 has higher clocks. More CUs = wider area. Also more expensive to make. If Sony's cooling solution pays off it's a very smart move to cut costs.

Prediction time!

XSX = 56CUs @ ~1.690Ghz = 12.1TF
PS5 = 52CUs @ ~2.000Ghz = 13.3TF

These numbers lol