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Agnostic2020
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its like he lives in lala land and now again he expects us to believe him without showing any proof.lolStop lying! You tried to convince here everybody that X1X will have a Zen CPU 3 years ago. Even Matt warned you, you didn't quit. You never even thought that X1X will have a Jaguar CPU.
[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
Literal myths. lol, that's awesomewww.neogaf.com
Even X1X with Navi and beyond....Bank on it
Project Scorpio to be shown off next week according to Jez C... (READ MOD POST)
What if it's Wired and not DF? MS has used them in the past for exclusive reveals and what not. On the podcast they said something along the lines of 'A well known tech site beginning in bleep and ending in bleep'. Bleeped out but very much alluding to DF
This is to me the hilarious part. After Digital Foundry made a revealed a specs video for X1X a.k.a Scorpio confirming Jaguar CPU, Polaris GPU... :
Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
Watch the video too. The video covered what's in the article. I watched the video like 20 seconds after it went up. I was furiously hitting the refresh button.
But then Matt's funny reply :
Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
Watch the video too. The video covered what's in the article. I watched the video like 20 seconds after it went up. I was furiously hitting the refresh button.
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xool
Member
duh sorry damn my hair trigger
[just got back and skipped 90 pages .. suppose I should have read them ..]
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FranXico
Member
Yeah, not buying it. For one, Geoff does gigs for MS, not Sony.
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xool
Member
They were laughing when I told them I had insider info. They're not laughing now.
My tiny mind can't comprehend Keighley hosting a PS event
CuriousToe
Member
See. I like leaks like these. If nothing else, it's very specific and easily proven (or not) if it doesn't happen.
That said, no, I don't believe this.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
And that's why it's important to read everything. This BS still makes its rounds, but Klee actually said a bit later when pressed on the subject that he just said Bingo because the math checked out (amount of TF for the CUs the 12.08 TF poster used). And not because that is the number.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
OsirisBlack confirmed the AC Ragnarok leaker was legit. According to actual industry insider ZhugeEX it was not, it was "not even getting the name right and based on outdated publicly available information". That should tell you everything you need to know.
Agnostic2020
Member
Don't talk nonsense. Geoff is an absolutely free guy who can and will conduct absolutely any show of any company
Agnostic2020
Member
yea and he has always been extremely neutral to begin with
Niked
Member
I bet PSN+ one year this is true!
Blindarchangel82
Member
I'll just do the same thing I did when I got the PS4 Pro, and give the OG PS4 to my kid.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
No, because one had 8 GB of RAM and the other 4 GB, one had a higher number of CUs at lower speeds than the other. There was no clear winner until Sony went with 8 GB. We have a similar situation now, just reversed. Microsoft went with a higher amount of CUs at lower speeds. Sony with less CUs but at higher speeds. If the leaks are right, both XSX and PS5 are natural evolutions of the same design decisions that were made for Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. Which makes a lot of sense.
Shin
Banned
Rossco EZ
Member
ok of course taking this with a grain of salt but that would be a great launch, the BC part also sounds more honest like something cerny would say like look we’ve got BC available to an extent but ps3 BC isn’t ready at launch or something..
Could you show Osiris ' messages where he says this? Thanks
rsouzadk
Member
I will remember you.
xool
Member
Not sticking up for OsirisBlack but ZhugeEx has been "faking it until you make it" on forums before he got a job as an "VG analyst" which is code for "I've set up a company in case suckers will actually pay to hear me speculate because taxes" ..
ZhugeEx isn't an insider. He's coatailing the industry.
/imo
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
He also said they would be close. He also said that one console had a shitty software based implementation. So either XSX is far more powerful than PS5 to make up that difference in RT performance - or he is just lying. Worth pointing out that AMD leak showed RT hardware for XSX, not for PS5. And we have LocalRay, a small Israelian company saying they have a raytracing contract for a console that they can't talk about until summer. Which means that they very likely provide Sony, because AMD has their own solution. LocalRay uses a mere 3 Watt for their system, they are focused on bringing raytracing to mobile devices. Yet OsirisBlack claims that PS5 is better at drawing rays. It's all a bunch of easily proven wrong BS.
bitbydeath
Member
That’s a lot of detail which makes it intriguing. No mention of new IP’s like a lot of rumours though which makes it harder to believe.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
And yet, he was the one that revealed when the announcement that Sony was not going to be at E3 was going to be official. Nobody else.
FrozenFlame
Member
"-Guerilla announces Killzone: Breach. A mp only title for PS5 and PC. The influence from games like R6 can be seen a lot during the trailer. Full destructible enviroment and a "War" mode that features up to 80 players in a fully destructible arena (Remember that first Crackdown 3 demo?). Available at launch. "
I fail to see how a game with 80 players will have R6 influence. If anything, it makes it sound like a BF game. I think he only went for the R6 angle because it is known that Guerrilla hired R6S devs for an upcoming multiplayer game.
Edit: Also, honest question, what is ray traced audio?
I fail to see how a game with 80 players will have R6 influence. If anything, it makes it sound like a BF game. I think he only went for the R6 angle because it is known that Guerrilla hired R6S devs for an upcoming multiplayer game.
Edit: Also, honest question, what is ray traced audio?
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pawel86ck
Banned
He wasnt claiming PS5 is a monster from insider perspective, but made a joke about insiders who post similar claims. It was clearly a joke and I'm surprised so many people here cant see it.
Agnostic2020
Member
dude that isreali company is doing software raytracing . sony has specifically mentioned RT in GPU hardware
draliko
Member
The only thing i'm pretty sure (still not 100%) is that being xbox a family of devices now, the new os will have the same interface as the one testing in the new alpha builds, i believe they're going to keep the interface the same across all xbox devices, this saddens me a bit, it removes a bit of surprise from the unboxing, on the other hand it relieves me as they don't have to reinvent the wheel every time 
Mass Shift
Member
Nobody should. The person comes off as having a seat or a vine at everyone's table. Most reliable leakers have sources that are hooked into very specific things.
People should always be weary of the person claiming to know it all, and with this insane amount of detail.
More wish list than leak.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Hot take: the reason Xbox made backwards compatibility so damn amazing that everybody suddenly wanted it was nothing to do with playing your old games, it was about playing your old games in 4k, and smoother.
As the PSClassic showed the world, nobody wants to play old games at their old resolution and settings. Playing ps1 and PS2 games now feels like pain. But playing them on 4k would be a godsend... but every leak so far has suggested that while BC is a big thing all of a sudden for Sony (after their past comments too), they will play exactly as they did before.
So for me, full BC is a pipe dream, because it would need to be in higher resolution (something you can’t just do on a all cases method), but also could present license issues along the way with certain digital cases. Shit loads of 1/2 games already will never be digital.
It’s a tricky one, because it’s entirely possible they have a full BC system in place, but I dont see them having the games in higher resolution, and that for me is more important.
As the PSClassic showed the world, nobody wants to play old games at their old resolution and settings. Playing ps1 and PS2 games now feels like pain. But playing them on 4k would be a godsend... but every leak so far has suggested that while BC is a big thing all of a sudden for Sony (after their past comments too), they will play exactly as they did before.
So for me, full BC is a pipe dream, because it would need to be in higher resolution (something you can’t just do on a all cases method), but also could present license issues along the way with certain digital cases. Shit loads of 1/2 games already will never be digital.
It’s a tricky one, because it’s entirely possible they have a full BC system in place, but I dont see them having the games in higher resolution, and that for me is more important.
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xool
Member
Not aware of that one. It's so meta though isn't it. Who cares when a press release is going to be published ? We're here for screenies of new game and tech specs, not pre-announcements of announcements a day early - what's the point ?
xool
Member
FrozenFlame
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Rossco EZ
Member
i’m not 100% sure but i think it is something like sound being able to bounce off surfaces and keep travelling, like echos or something along those lines.
not sure if you’d like to watch this video but this is something i watched however i flicked through it a while ago when it was released
It is not necessary to doubt ZhugeEx. He was never wrong about the things he leaked
You can give a lot of examples, but you can go look in the news yourself
From the last. It was he who hinted that Resident evil 3 will not be on TGA, but on " another show"
DrDamn
Member
Leaker is either trying to link it to this tweet from Geoff last week or maybe there is some truth to it and the tweet is corroborating evidence. Likely the former.
nowhat
Member
Basically, instead of calculating how light rays bounce off various surfaces, you do the same for sounds. So say something behind a corner, to your right, will sound different than something to your right but not behind a corner.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Guys it doesn't matter which is more powerful. Naughty Dog will make it LOOK like Jak 4 is running on a 20tf machine and Dad of War 2 will do much the same.
I know that the Xbx is more powerful than the pro yet certain games look better than anything on the X. Now that could be because of the higher baseline because of the regular X1 needing to run these games but won't Lockhart have that same anchor effect?
I know that the Xbx is more powerful than the pro yet certain games look better than anything on the X. Now that could be because of the higher baseline because of the regular X1 needing to run these games but won't Lockhart have that same anchor effect?
LED Guy?
Banned
Kleegamefan said the XSX is a slightly above 12 TF, that “BINGO” comment he made was about the TF figure, not the actual CU and clock speeds that achieved that TF number.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
They are on record saying that there could be hardware support for their solution.
webber
Member
Believable leak but it doesn't seem like a Sony thing to do to hire Geoff Keighley to host their very special and full of technicalities event. They're more of a devs and high tech people kind of vibe.
But then again who knew they would skip 2 E3s in a row? Leadership changes and so do philosophies.
But I still have this feeling that these TF numbers are GCN equivalent, because if it isn't, 12TF of Navi RDNA is waaay past RTX 2080 Super level of powers.
So I'll stick to 9.8TF RDNA (12.25TF GCN) and U$450-500 because of SSD and HW Ray Tracing.
Agnostic2020
Member
yes but what they r presenting now is intelligent software based raytarcing best suited for mobile/handheld use(maybe the switch revision will have it?)
Rossco EZ
Member
yeah i posted this because someone posted a leak in here the other day that said something about elder scrolls launching with new consoles so it was something i thought i’d share
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Not exactly. He said "both are 10+", "PS5 is stronger than XSX" and "it was known before the reveal that XSX was 12 TF". So combining those, he said PS5 is above 12 TF.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Can you imagine if Switch has three or even four SKUs to develop for, all with different feature sets? Not happening. And I think the AMD RT solution won't be that much better. There's a reason why AMD says "select RT features" and goes on to say "full raytracing support powered by the cloud" on their slides from last summer. You don't use cloud computing for raytracing if you are confident in your local hardware solution. Raytracing in both consoles will play a very, very limited role.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Bethesda said last E3 that ES6 was a long time away and that Starfield would launch before ES6. So anybody claiming that ES6 is a launch title for new consoles is just a filthy liar.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
joe_zazen
Member
me too. Never been a ms/xbox guy, in fact you could say I hate MS because they work with US military, have tried to subvert US democracy, and were prosecuted for monopoly colusion.
but X fans have been having way more fun in the lead up to next gen. I’ve been thinking about why...
- current sony signature AAA don't do it for me, and xbox looks to have some genuine variety in their line up, even if many if their studios are ‘just’ AA. I mean how can you not be jealous of them having Schaffer and Obsidian and Fargo? Plus they have TWO single player focused racing games, sony has zero. I get that some love the 20-30 hour, single player, 3rd person action-adventure rpg-lite, with mature story tailored to millennial Americans. I find them boring.
- xbox talks a lot and and aren‘t secretive. Spencer gets a retail version of xsx in his home, he tweets it. He has a picture of the chip, he shares it. Someone asks him about studio autonomy, he answers them...idk, Sony management is charasima free and operate like they are run by old japanese businessmen.
- subscription service...day one first party games plus a variety of new-ish games i actually want to play, like Slay the Spire, Outer Wilds, Outer Worlds, Forza, Horizon, and you get all the new MS games...PSnow is kinda balls despite having 800 games.
- Sony cheap as fuck. Studio closures, 1 racing game in 7 years with garbo single player content, name changes taking a decade to implement, noisy cheap console design, cancelling the big shows like e3 and psx and not replacing them.
i expect:
- No talk of power or specs because ps5 is a 8-9 TF noisy console, hobbled by their need to design the hardware around ps4 back compatibility and their cheap AF playstation strategy. They will talk about the 2TB ssd and memory though
- UHD versions of ps4 games like gtsport, tlou2, spiderman
- ps5 equivalent of ps4 launch day game exclusives (resogun, killzone, knack)
- Psnow tweaks but no fundamental changes
- a few third party, non exclusive trailers
cost comes from how many viable chips you get from a wafer, and size is not the only factor.
They disable cus because chips have defects. If you are looking to make a 40/40 CU chip, there can be no defects. This will drastically cut your chips/wafer ratio, and there is nothing a console manufacturer can do with all those rejected chips, huge waste of money. 36/40 cu you can use 80%+, a 40/40, maybe 10%. A gpu maker can just use those chips in lower tier products, like 5700 vs 5700xt.
clock speed also filters chips. Each one will have different charateristics, that is why overclockers talk about the silicon lottery. If you are looking to only have chips that can operate at the maximum speed, you will be chucking alot of them out.
tldr; a 40/40 cu chip running at 2.0 or more would be stupid expensive for a console manufacturer, and very wasteful. You might 1 or 2% per wafer vs 80+ with a 36/40 1.8. So yeah, a 40 cu gpu could very well be more expensive than a 56, in fact a lot more expensive.
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Moses85
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