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[NeroDaGod]

In other words.

1619E = 2511920

Papa Sierra V >>> Black Widow

 

[onQ123]

Except that's not what it means.
One-quarter of the way between red and orange refers to the color called Scarlet. Write scarlet in google and this exact phrase will pop up. It has nothing to do with PS5 being 25% faster.

It simply says FLOPS PS5 > Scarlet

Oh ok

 

[onQ123]

What? The rumor say both PS5 and Scarlett have two digit TF, so wtf 8TF on PS5?

Besides, last hint from dev saying they're almost identical in hardware.

The 8TF number came from the old sample chip that was clocked lower

 

[ANIMAL1975]

The rumor that said Lockhart was 4TF also said Anaconda was 12TF & that PS5 was 8TF


We know that the clockspeed changed on the sample GPU for the PS5 from 1GHz to 2.1GHz & we now have OsirisBlack saying PS5 is 25% above Scarlett



at 58 CUs PS5 GPU would go from 8.09TF to 15.59TF if the clock go from 1.09GHz to 2.1GHz


12TF + 25% = 15TF



if PS5 is 15TF next gen is going to be crazy

That estimation for CU count is with how many disabled? I'm reading people in this page going with the 54 and 56 figure, aren't these fixed values?
... Can you help us out here OsirisBlack

 

[Fake]

The 8TF number came from the old sample chip that was clocked lower

You mean, from a devkit right?

 

[Aceofspades]

5 > 2
How's the weather?
2.1 = 5

Thanks for dropping this info here, its much appreciated

 

[OsirisBlack]

Unfortunately Ray isn't drawing as well as advertised, hes about 1080 TIny steps behind Pastor Charles. one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

In other words.

1619E = 2511920

Papa Sierra V >>> Black Widow

Wuat!???

 

[onQ123]

You mean, from a devkit right?

it was from a leaked chip

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-is-amd-gonzalo-the-ps5-processor-in-theory

 

[Fake]

it was from a leaked chip

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-is-amd-gonzalo-the-ps5-processor-in-theory

Was from devkit. Even DF not expect this TF anymore. Take into consideration their recent next gen videos.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Unfortunately Ray isn't drawing as well as advertised, hes about 1080 TIny steps behind Pastor Charles. one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

So Greg 8>>>> Ray big time

 

[onQ123]

Ra

Was from devkit. Even DF not expect this TF anymore. Take into consideration their recent next gen videos.

Huh?

You thought that I was saying that PS5 is 8TF?

 

[MadAnon]

Both consoles are pretty close in performance in that 10 - 11TF range.

Oberon (Ps5) is 40CUs clocked very high 2-2.1ghz. Suggests 10.24 - 10.75TF.

Scarlett is also over 10tf but a bit slower than PS5.

That's my guess.

 

[44alltheway]

who is Osiris tho

 

[NeroDaGod]

Unfortunately Ray isn't drawing as well as advertised, hes about 1080 TIny steps behind Pastor Charles. one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

Ray tracing not working as intended. Still a few steps behind PC.
Scarlett > 10TFs

 

[onQ123]

Unfortunately Ray isn't drawing as well as advertised, hes about 1080 TIny steps behind Pastor Charles. one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

Ray-tracing not as good as advertised more like a 1080 TI on PC , Scarlett above 10TF ?

 

[David Ricardo]

Ray-tracing not as good as advertised more like a 1080 TI on PC , Scarlett above 10TF ?

I think that's what he is saying.

 

[FranXico]

Unfortunately Ray isn't drawing as well as advertised, hes about 1080 TIny steps behind Pastor Charles. one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

#team2080ti am cry.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Ray-tracing not as good as advertised more like a 1080 TI on PC , Scarlett above 10TF ?

1080Ti doesn't have HW RT so that doesn't make much sense, right?

 

[OsirisBlack]

1080Ti doesn't have HW RT so that doesn't make much sense, right?

Both consoles have HW RT one is better than the other.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

1080Ti doesn't have HW RT so that doesn't make much sense, right?

They did enable RT on older cards but performance is bad.

Ray tracing now runs on older Nvidia GPUs - but how fast is it?

With the arrival of Nvidia's RTX video cards and support for real-time ray tracing in both the DirectX 12 and Vulkan gr…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Is it really impossible?


The money saved on RAM might be the reason PS5 was able to get a better GPU than Scarlett

GDDR6 significantly more expensive than GDDR5

Electronic Components Dealers lists various Micron GDDR5 and GDDR6 chips, pricing for 2,000 units. From these it can be seen that GDDR6 is currently much more expensive than GDDR5 at the moment. Goi...

www.guru3d.com

Seems others have already convinced you why GDDR5 would be a bad idea, but just to add: GDDR5 (even 5X) would offer overall quite lower bandwidth per chip than 6. Stock GDDR5 at 8Gbps and, say, 1250MHz, would only get you about 40 GB/s. On a 384-bit bus, that's a memory bandwidth of 480 GB/s. That seems impressive on its own, but not when there is already speculation Scarlet could have around 672 GB/s of bandwidth going with GDDR6 (1000MHz, 14Gbps, 384-bit bus like the X).

If Sony is pushing the GPU clock as high as it can go, GDDR5 would potentially leave it bandwidth-starved. Plus while it's cheaper than GDDR6 right now, it won't remain that way; GDDR5 only had 2 of the Big 3 memory manufacturers onboard, while 6 has all three (Samsung, Micron, SK Hynix) involved. That'll lead to much bigger volumes of it produced over time which'll drive the costs down. As GDDR5 production is scaled down, it'll end up being mainly smaller plants in places like China producing reduced quantities of it for things like hardware support of legacy devices, and the such.

 

[FranXico]

Both consoles have HW RT one is better than the other.

Red-Orange RT > Quintet RT?

 

[Gamernyc78]

Ray tracing not working as intended. Still a few steps behind PC.
Scarlett > 10TFs

Yeah tht was my first interpretation..

 

[44alltheway]

Both consoles have HW RT one is better than the other.

I'd imagine Scarlett has better raytracing

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Both consoles have HW RT one is better than the other.

Interesting. I wonder in what way(s)......

They did enable RT on older cards but performance is bad.

Ray tracing now runs on older Nvidia GPUs - but how fast is it?

With the arrival of Nvidia's RTX video cards and support for real-time ray tracing in both the DirectX 12 and Vulkan gr…

www.eurogamer.net

Sure I know about the software solution but my point was specifically about a HW solution. No matter now as Osiris clarified.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Realistic Expectations for third party cross platform games.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Unfortunately Ray isn't drawing as well as advertised, hes about 1080 TIny steps behind Pastor Charles. one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

Hmm....ray tracing feature causing bigger performance hit, 1080 TFLOPs behind 2080 Super, so 10.07 TFLOPs, and this would be for...Scarlet?

These riddles are screwing with me xD

 

[Gamernyc78]

Hmm....ray tracing feature causing bigger performance hit, 1080 TFLOPs behind 2080 Super, so 10.07 TFLOPs, and this would be for...Scarlet?

These riddles are screwing with me xD

Lol I know but at least we got some info from a reliable source. Everyone here has their thinking caps on trying to read between the lines lol.

 

[onQ123]

Both consoles have HW RT one is better than the other.

Is the difference in RT hardware bigger than the FLOPs difference?

 

[Negotiator]

In other words.

1619E = 2511920

Papa Sierra V >>> Black Widow

What does that mean?

Both consoles have HW RT one is better than the other.

Which one has the upper hand?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Could be wrong but since he has returned I have a feeling the damn is about to break with new info and he is not worried about burning his source as more Devs have gotten kits now.

 

[FranXico]

Lol I know but at least we got some info from a reliable source. Everyone here has their thinking caps on trying to read between the lines lol.

The thread is alive again!

BTW, OsirisBlack , which brush paints rays better? The FF2400 one or the 0000FF one?

 

[Bryank75]

What does that mean?


Which one has the upper hand?

And by how much? Are we going to notice?

 

[Gamernyc78]

The thread is alive again!

BTW, OsirisBlack , which brush paints rays better? The FF2400 one or the 0000FF one?

Yeah bro I'm happy he's up in here again! I wonder if he has any info on whether there is a Demon Souls remaster? He did allude to tht in the past I think.

 

[ResilientBanana]

So like people are excited over 100Mhz? Is it 1996 again?

 

[DeepEnigma]

So like people are excited over 100Mhz? Is it 1996 again?

 

[SlimySnake]

Unfortunately Ray isn't drawing as well as advertised, hes about 1080 TIny steps behind Pastor Charles. one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

So this confirms that ray tracing is better in Microsoft's console? He wont be the first to say this. BitsnPieces on twitter said the same thing.

but how can ray tracing be at the level of 1080Ti if the 1080ti doesnt even have hardware accelerated ray tracing?

Edit: Pastor Charles = PC? So ray tracing is worse than PC.

 

[OsirisBlack]

The thread is alive again!

BTW, OsirisBlack , which brush paints rays better? The FF2400 one or the 0000FF one?

0000FF > FF2400

 

[Gamernyc78]

So this confirms that ray tracing is better in Microsoft's console? He wont be the first to say this. BitsnPieces on twitter said the same thing.

but how can ray tracing be at the level of 1080Ti if the 1080ti doesnt even have hardware accelerated ray tracing?

Lol this is not saying tht dont be surprised when Sony has the better solution.

 

[FranXico]

Lol this is not saying tht dint be surprised when Sony has the better solution.

It's actually saying neither is on par with PC

 

[Gamernyc78]

It's actually saying neither is on par with PC

Yes thts what I interpreted.

 

[SlimySnake]

Lol this is not saying tht dint be surprised when Sony has the better solution.

one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

This could mean hes talking about tflops. 25% better or worse than scarlett which is greater than 10 tflops.

but i thought he was talking about ray tracing.

 

[Aceofspades]

So like people are excited over 100Mhz? Is it 1996 again?

Why are you taking a defensive stance? The Mhz difference can translate into more GPU Teraflops of performance. Don't worry next Xbox will be sufficient for you no matter what.

 

[DeepEnigma]

one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

This could mean hes talking about tflops. 25% better or worse than scarlett which is greater than 10 tflops.

but i thought he was talking about ray tracing.

Look up, he just said which one has a better RT solution.

 

[MadAnon]

So this confirms that ray tracing is better in Microsoft's console? He wont be the first to say this. BitsnPieces on twitter said the same thing.

but how can ray tracing be at the level of 1080Ti if the 1080ti doesnt even have hardware accelerated ray tracing?

Edit: Pastor Charles = PC? So ray tracing is worse than PC.

People have this weird assumption that next gen consoles gonna have some powerful, advanced RT solution on par with RTX. RT was clearly a late decision fueled by RTX cards. So I wouldn't expect anything fancy in that department but rather something that just ticks the RT checkbox on the feature list.

 

[Aceofspades]

0000FF > FF2400

WTF are those codes ?

 

[SlimySnake]

Look up, he just said which one has a better RT solution.

lol i had to google FF2400. its scarlett apparently.

so PS5 ray tracing is better than scarlett? thats expected considering it has more tflops.

WTF are those codes ?

Google FF2400.

Google Search

www.google.com

 

[ResilientBanana]

whoops, I was referring to the 2.1Ghz vs 2Ghz rumor which appears to be in a different thread. Boy, is my face red.

 

[Gamernyc78]

one-quarter of the way between red and orange > 10.

This could mean hes talking about tflops. 25% better or worse than scarlett which is greater than 10 tflops.

but i thought he was talking about ray tracing.

Yeah I see how u could interpret tht tht way but I think his RT comment was just referencing how both RT implementations aren't on par with PC but we all knew tht would be the case.