Steve Youngblood
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Nintendo wants mature games & JP 3rd parties slow to react
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Shadow Broker
Banned
Considering that Nintendo passed up the chance to purchase Atlus, the same Atlus who makes some of the most mature theme JRPGs in gaming today and the same Atlus who supports Nintendo consoles should give off the impression that Nintendo isnt interested in buying other studios.
Hell I would love it if Nintendo bought Capcom but its not happening. Nintendo would really have to see something in a studio for them to buy it. Hell Nintendo doesnt even own Game Freak fully! Game Freak is free to release games on other platforms if they chose to do so! Game Freak owns Pokémon! Thats crazy.
NintendosBooger
Member
Gamefreak owns Pokemon but Nintendo owns the most important elements of Pokemon, specifically the name, logo, and character names.
https://youtu.be/7FxHY-vLMgs?t=1m1s
Brewster123
Neo Member
Actually, The rights to the Pokemon, particularly the character names, are held by Nintendo.
https://www.pokemon.com/us/legal/
"Pokémon, Pokémon character names, Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo DS, Wii, Wii U, and Wiiware are trademarks of Nintendo."
So yeah, Gamefreak isn't owned by Nintendo, but Pokemon is still within Nintendo's control.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Oh I knew most of that. I was trying to make a point that Nintendo doesnt even fully own the studio that makes the Pokémon games to the poster I was quoting and if they chose they can make other titles for other platforms.
DeuceGamer
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I dont think Nintendo passing on Atlus (if they did pass) is necessarily a sign that they arent interested in mergers or acquisitions. There was a lot going on with Atlus during that time and Nintendo may have simply not wanted to get involved in all that. Also, they may have put in a bid and simply got outbid by Sega.
I would also mention that Nintendo still has the Yamauchi shares, as far as I know, and have stated they would like to hold on to them in case an opportunity for mergers and acquisitions present itself.
Riposte
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Nerds who think they are mature because they play pokemon and not call of duty are not only also applicable in this rule, they are also delusional.
In all fairness. That Nintendo should buy Capcom or Sega line was a joke.
but not really
I was just suggesting that should the right opportunity come along it would be possible for Nintendo to publish first party mature games with an amount of brand seperation that would allow the Nintendo brand to firmly keep its family friendly identity
Muskieratboi
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Wotif Retro is working on Eternal Darkness? Just sayin'...
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
DOOM=good
Pedo games=bad
No Vita pedo garbage on my Switch plz.
Pedo games=bad
No Vita pedo garbage on my Switch plz.
Dark Cloud
Member
Nintendo should never buy Capcom. That amount of influx to take in at once would be a lot.
Precisely. Third-parties will look at what Nintendo allow in their own games and go from there.
I think Xenoblade Chronicles 2 will be the first test with regard to if Nintendo is willing to go further than on the Wii U.
LordRaptor
Member
For gaming companies it seems pretty clear theres a symbiotic relationship between publisher and studio; if theres not a good 'fit', you don't get good results.
I'm sure you can think of plenty of studios that were bought by publishers that did nothing special and were then dissolved.
Bayonetta 2 / Devils Third / Fatal Frame are all recentish nintendo published titles that don't spring out as "family feiendly"
ShockingAlberto
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You missed the insane discussion about Lyn in FEWarriors.
It really makes you contemplate giving up on video games.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is the game that Nintendo releases on the Switch, where we can compare directly with the Wii U-game Xenoblade Chronicles X. It is the first chance we have to see if Nintendo is willing to push the envelope further on the Switch than on the Wii U.
I remain sceptical until proven otherwise. Your move, Nintendo.
Dark Cloud
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Evilkazzzz
Neo Member
I'm glad the Switch will be eating up the Vita's lower budget lewd games the vita got.
Some of the ones I played on vita I wish I got the PS4 versions of because they either looked terrible or ran very poorly. But I bought them on vita for the portability factor.
I hope all of these 3rd party games sell well. At least well enough for continued support. Hell we might get GTAV on the Switch at some point.
Some of the ones I played on vita I wish I got the PS4 versions of because they either looked terrible or ran very poorly. But I bought them on vita for the portability factor.
I hope all of these 3rd party games sell well. At least well enough for continued support. Hell we might get GTAV on the Switch at some point.
timetokill
Banned
Stop saying this
The Switch is a success and has the full support of its first party developers behind it
lol I take what I can get...
Heartskips
Banned
Can people please stop ignoring this. "Director Genki Yokota, who works for Nintendos Japanese division (NCL), says all three companies are communicating about localization decisions that may prove to be controversial."
Also, most of the changes Nintendo made to their games were good and approved by the original developers.
DeuceGamer
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Agree, but just because they dont see one studio being a fit, doesnt mean they arent open to any studios at all. Thats why them not purchasing Atlus isnt necessarily a sign that they arent interested in any studios. If the right opportunity presented itself Im confident Nintendo would be interested. Like you say though, it has to be a good fit for both Nintendo and the studio.
LordRaptor
Member
Yes, I agree not buying Atlus doesn't mean anything in and of itself.
Counter-intuitively, I suspect a 'best fit' studio would be one that has a strong technical background but lacks gameplay design skills
Neoleo2143
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I wasn't there but I'm guessing it was because they specifically added more clothes around Lyn's Thighs?
Xenoblade 2 while not Family Friendly, probably isn't going to be particularly notable in presenting edge beyond what the first game did which was just some blood really.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Nintendo should buy the Beyblade anime IP they cursed, had blood and partial nudity.
neurosisxeno
Member
I suspect this may be driven by market research. Something tells me the average Switch owner is older than Nintendo anticipated.
Bioshocker
Member
Of course Nintendo wants third parties to develop "grown up" games for the system. Ehy wouldn't they? The Wii U had a zombie horror game for its release, and did get other violent games as time went by. Only question is: is there really an audience for such games on the Switch? I guess we'll find out.
If Nintendo were to license any IP, they should liscence The Sound of Music and make an Assassins Creed clone
It fits all their needs perfectly.
1. Its blue ocean as The Sound of Music is one of the most beloved films of all time. This is an IP that would sell systems to people who would never buy videogames. Its almost as big of an IP as Star Wars. Especially to certain demographics.
2. One of the main things consumers love about the Assasins Creed series is the hostorical tourism and 1940s Austria in the shadow of WW2 is a great location for that
3. Its a third person stealth game where Nazi's are the villans. Thats about as "Mature" as video games get
*action combat would be replaced by dancing but given the similarities between dancing and fighting its fair to say player engagement wouldn't suffer.
**Being able to show industry people behind closed doors that you were willing to fund an expensive cinematic open world game would do wonders to show that you were serious about being competitive in the modern AAA landscape
It fits all their needs perfectly.
1. Its blue ocean as The Sound of Music is one of the most beloved films of all time. This is an IP that would sell systems to people who would never buy videogames. Its almost as big of an IP as Star Wars. Especially to certain demographics.
2. One of the main things consumers love about the Assasins Creed series is the hostorical tourism and 1940s Austria in the shadow of WW2 is a great location for that
3. Its a third person stealth game where Nazi's are the villans. Thats about as "Mature" as video games get
*action combat would be replaced by dancing but given the similarities between dancing and fighting its fair to say player engagement wouldn't suffer.
**Being able to show industry people behind closed doors that you were willing to fund an expensive cinematic open world game would do wonders to show that you were serious about being competitive in the modern AAA landscape
Without a doubt the biggest catastrophe in all of gaming. The fact that people actually defended those pants makes me ashamed that I share a hobby with those people.
Nintendo is blatantly erasing their legacy with that decision.
neurosisxeno
Member
I can't tell if this is serious or not...
Don't get me into trouble now... To stay on point: Nintendo can not just say the words. Nintendo must lead by example. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is Nintendos first opportunity to show not tell.
100% Serious.
Edit: Musicals are widely loved by huge segments of the population and they are an unexplored space in the gaming industry that is more interested in rehashing the same fantasy/scifi and Action movie tropes at higher fidelity.
You could probably get access to most of the great musicals for a pittance. The Sound of Music, My Fair Lady, Mary Poppins, Les Miserables, West Side Story, Greece, The Wizard of Oz is now under Fair Use.
Start Edit: There are a bunch more i am forgetting, hopefully that was enough to demonstrate the idea.
Besides it is not unprecedented to have dance/musicals/culture in video games. its just rare. Final Fantasy VI's most famous scene is an Opera made on the SNES. FF IX is about a travelling theatre troop Final Fantasy x-2 is musical, Lightning Returns has a good mix of Opera influence.
Most Recently Nier Automata is being praised for its Soundtrack and the Music that goes along with exploring the world and Yakuza 0 one of this years other Hits has both a karaokee and a disco dance minigame that were hugely popular among players who experienced those games.
Nintendo even published Tokyo Mirrage Sessions which while currently burried on the WiiU was greatly loved by those that played it.
Edit2: The fact that Nintendo is using an original jazz song written specifically for Super Mario Odyssey to sell the game seems to indicate that this would fit firmly within tbeir current direction.
Fast Forward
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Before that even.
Eternal Darkness was rated M, and was a 2nd party title published by Nintendo.
The way i see it, Nintendo can only stop being kiddie if it starts producing some 1st party M titles as well. A dark souls/bloodborne edgy Zelda, or a Mario/GTA sandbox game. Heck, Fire Emblem should just go all in and have sex scenes.
I thought guideline should mean what is advisable for people to follow. It doesn't mean that Nintendo will block games from being sold that doesn't follow their advise.
As much as I'd love for Nintendo to do a musical-based game, there's two problem with doing so...
- There aren't that many voice actors in the industry who are good at singing. Off the top of my head, I can name Rena Strober (who has actual experience with musicals), Laura Bailey, & Troy Baker. I'm sure I'm missing a few, but there aren't really enough voice actors to pull from to get a full musical cast, let alone voice actors that Nintendo Treehouse would be willing to pay for (given their preference for non-union productions). Speaking of which...
- There is the potential option of pulling from Broadway talent (Jeremy Jordan, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Aaron Tevit, Laura Osnes, Corey Cott, Ben Platt, Rachel Bay Jones, Andy Karl, Barrett Doss, Phillipa Soo, Barrett Wilber Weed, etc.). However, the problem with this is the same issue that I mentioned earlier. If Nintendo Treehouse isn't willing to do more unionized productions with their games, why would they go out of their way to hire actual Broadway talent?
IMO
They need to make an M-rated Metroid then
It's the only way they're going to start to cultivate that kind of audience.
Fast Forward
Member
I don't see that ever happening, but as Disney has shown, Disney has been able to both maintain their "wholesome values" of traditional Disney, and release violent comic book movies at the same time, so yes, Nintendo certainly could expand their range/image.
That's because they don't usually attach the Disney name to their Marvel stuff.
HYDE
Member
Thank goodness Nintendo doesn't see things this way. Hardcore violence, and sex, and swearing, etc... does not equate to being mature. Quite opposite as a matter of fact.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Fire Emblem sex scenes 🤔
OR!!!
They can put in the effort in creating a new more mature ip the same way they created Splatoon and market it. They dont need to sully their old ips for no reason. They should start by making Metriod more mature as a starting point.