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[LordRaptor]

They mean screwed in the sense that we will not get a sense of how well they are selling. They are screwed because it will be very hard for them to break into top ten like you described.

And beyond that, NPD results are widely reported in the enthusiast press, so the ongoing picture presented will be that AAA blockbusters with $100 limited edition and $50 day one season passes are the only viable titles left in the console space.

 

[jayu26]

They're making 40x that with the microtransactions. Ok so I don't know how much they are making in microtransactions but it is very apparent by their actions that it is much more than they feel they would make with an SP expansion. So for them it makes sense not to pull people away from supporting the online game. Not that I don't want SP but it is what it is.

It's probably the profit margin. Single player DLCs would probably bring in more revenue, but it also requires significantly more investment on their part.

 

[chrominance]

Kind of amazed people still thought the NPD threads were useful. Remember when we got actual unit sales figures for the top 10? Then we got leaks of ballpark estimates for a while, and then those got sealed up too and we just had "well here's a list of games I guess." OP stop being updated with back-of-envelope calculations for sales figures a long time ago, too.

Face it, NPD threads have been dead for years.

 

[Sad Affleck]

Can someone help explain something to me? The linked article says that PC retail and Steam software sales in the US were $27.8 million. Steam Spy estimated that just the Steam Summer sale in June generated $223 million in revenue. What gives?

 

[Regiruler]

Uncharted 4 at 15 seems low. Bad word of mouth?

I don't think legs on uncharted games have ever been that good, no?

 

[M3d10n]

Are there other industries with unit sales as secretive as gaming's?

Mobile IAP data.

My bad. Sarcastic response either way. And pokemon go must have somehow been making money in June

Yes, but it won't chart because NPD doesn't include neither mobile nor IAP data. Otherwise the chart would be overrun by the likes of Clash Royale and Candy Crush.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

I don't think legs on uncharted games have ever been that good, no?

Maybe not in US but I would think so WW considering sales for the franchise.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

This kills NPDGAF.

 

[DC1]

Uncharted 4 at 15 seems low. Bad word of mouth?

No. High price point when compared to great sale prices.

 

[Randomizer123454444]

I'm not usually NPD thread follower, but I imagine companies are more interested in revenue than units sold. It doesn't help those who look from gamer perspective, I guess. It sucks to lose platform info, and it sucks only some games have digital included.

Can someone help explain something to me? The linked article says that PC retail and Steam software sales in the US were $27.8 million. Steam Spy estimated that just the Steam Summer sale in June generated $223 million in revenue. What gives?

First, part of summer sale was in July. Second, I think Steamspy estimate is global revenue, not US only?

 

[watdaeff4]

Uncharted 4 at 15 seems low. Bad word of mouth?

No.

It's a great game but as one poster previously mentioned no sale price like some of those ahead of it.

Plus for people like me who are a mix between digital and physical, this doesn't jump out as a nice game to have digitally....say like Overwatch is


EDIT: IIRC Overwatch was the only game ahead of it that was also at the full $59.99 price the entire month of June

 

[CosmicQueso]

Can someone help explain something to me? The linked article says that PC retail and Steam software sales in the US were $27.8 million. Steam Spy estimated that just the Steam Summer sale in June generated $223 million in revenue. What gives?

Almost certain it only includes steam data from participating publishers in the service, certainly not all steam.

 

[Shahed]

They mean screwed in the sense that we will not get a sense of how well they are selling. They are screwed because it will be very hard for them to break into top ten like you described.

But in the end we largely got the numbers from either insiders or from Nintendo directly. For that nothing has changed

And beyond that, NPD results are widely reported in the enthusiast press, so the ongoing picture presented will be that AAA blockbusters with $100 limited edition and $50 day one season passes are the only viable titles left in the console space.

But the people who make said titles will have access to the same information as before so things shouldn't change on their end

 

[daveo42]

I never really followed them that closely and usually caught them the morning after, but this is both a shock to the system and also very disappointing. NPD threads just got weird and not in a good way.

 

[Chris1]

No wonder I never saw this thread yesterday, thread is completely dead.

This new NPD sucks..

 

[Kill3r7]

Uncharted 4 at 15 seems low. Bad word of mouth?

Not at all. There were a ton of sales last month on PSN so games like BF4 and BFH are going to crowd out UC4.

 

[Ridley327]

Wow...Minecraft 10th based on physical sales alone?

I would imagine that the Wii U version gave it a nice uptick, due to the demand and being $10 more than most of the other versions. They also launched a new SKU for Xbox One that's also $30 and includes some of the more popular skin packs.

 

[specdot]

Who doesn't have GTA5 at this point? That is the biggest mystery to me lol. I want to get it on PC but the best sale has still been $30 on steam. Not worth it IMO because I already bought it on 360 and xbone

Believe it or not. I don't. Don't like open world games that much. Played GTA V when it came out. Didn't like it. The last open world game that I loved was Sleepy Dawgz.

 

[mckmas8808]

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

MIA for a few months now. Be well, Cream.

Pretty much. NPD and personal leakers are but memories now.

And beyond that, NPD results are widely reported in the enthusiast press, so the ongoing picture presented will be that AAA blockbusters with $100 limited edition and $50 day one season passes are the only viable titles left in the console space.

I mean, it's a different type of the same level of what's already well-underway.

 

[PanicFreak]

It would be nice if Muclaire hadn't been banned in the past. That person was a real gem.

 

[spekkeh]

They took away overall sales.

Then they only gave us the top ten.

Then they combined SKUs

Now revenue instead of units

Seriously, what a sad downwards spiral has NPD become.

Four years from now:

NPD July 2020

MAU list

1. Microsoft (Windows, Surface, Xbox music)
A. PlayStation family
I. MyNintendo devices

 

[MUnited83]

Can someone help explain something to me? The linked article says that PC retail and Steam software sales in the US were $27.8 million. Steam Spy estimated that just the Steam Summer sale in June generated $223 million in revenue. What gives?

Data only comes from a couple of publishers that actually agreed to share it, and it's limited to US numbers only. In short, numbers for Steam are wildly innacurate.

 

[test_account]

They mean screwed in the sense that we will not get a sense of how well they are selling. They are screwed because it will be very hard for them to break into top ten like you described.

NPD didnt give out sales numbers anyway though, so we would be in the dark regardless of how well things would be selling even if being within the top 10.

 

[DarkConfidant]

I miss units. They were so simple.

Same. I can't tell how exactly the revenue is coming in for games, or if it's just like GTAV, where near zero effort is going to, other than printing discs, shipping them, and keeping the servers up.

Maybe I'm just afraid of change, for once.

 

[noobie]

look like NPD thread on the site not to be named is better then the thread on NeoGAF

 

[donny2112]

Four years from now:

NPD July 2020

MAU list

1. Microsoft (Windows, Surface, Xbox music)
A. PlayStation family
I. MyNintendo devices

If a tree falls in the forest and nothing is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

They should just stop giving anything out to the public because they suck.

 

[Canucked]

A new dawn.

But how will the Console Wars be fought now, on this new battlefield?

 

[Shin-chan]

Gaf should kickstart their own NPD subscription. That'll show them.

 

[nekkid]

I would imagine that the Wii U version gave it a nice uptick, due to the demand and being $10 more than most of the other versions. They also launched a new SKU for Xbox One that's also $30 and includes some of the more popular skin packs.

But you would think that digital far outweighs physical. Far far outweighs.

 

[FreedomFighter]

NPD is a joke.

Really miss the epic threads of yesteryear.

 

[cartographer]

It's both publisher and platform based.

Only data from PSN XBL and Steam. Only for a select group of publishers. Only full game sales, no MTX or DLC.

So, no digital data for Minecraft, Doom and UC4 because Sony, Bethesda and Microsoft are not sharing digital data. But even if they were, only revenues from PSN XBL and direct purchases from Steam would be counted,

You've been pretty clear on this but I just wanted to make sure: no uPlay, GOG, Origin etc digital sales on here even if the publisher participates in sharing digital data for PSN, XBL and Steam?

Ex: Say Ubi shares digital data for PSN, XBL and Steam. Are they also sharing it for PC copies bought directly from uPlay or another storefront?

Generally small amount of sales here anyway, but just wanted to ask.

 

[Kill3r7]

look like NPD thread on the site not to be named is better then the thread on NeoGAF

Detailed data tends to lead to meaningful discussion. We got very little data, outside of several users parroting post by Aqua and Zhuge, they appear to have more.

 

[jmdajr]

what info!

 

[UberTag]

They should just stop giving anything out to the public because they suck.

This is true. Although we're not being forced to talk about how useless and meaningless their data is, either.

Detailed data tends to lead to meaningful discussion. We got very little data, outside of several users parroting post by Aqua and Zhuge, they appear to have more.

Funny how that works.

 

[Anth0ny]

gta v is fucking unstoppable

 

[CosmicQueso]

You've been pretty clear on this but I just wanted to make sure: no uPlay, GOG, Origin etc digital sales on here even if the publisher participates in sharing digital data for PSN, XBL and Steam?

Ex: Say Ubi shares digital data for PSN, XBL and Steam. Are they also sharing it for PC copies bought directly from uPlay or another storefront?

Generally small amount of sales here anyway, but just wanted to ask.

That is correct. In your example, Ubi Steam data would be included, but not uPlay or any other storefront data.

Exclusive PSN, XBL and Steam only. And only for publishers choosing to participate.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

To continue here the post i made in the last thread:

Man, 3DS is collapsed on Amazon, cause all SKUs are sold out

It's gonna have a nice month, too bad Nintendo gonna have stock problem, hope they ship way more in August!

 

[Scrawnton]

To continue here the post i made in the last thread:

Man, 3DS is collapsed on Amazon, cause all SKUs are sold out

It's gonna have a nice month, too bad Nintendo gonna have stock problem, hope they ship way more in August!

They'll probably do a Sun and Moon special edition to help move the rest of the stock.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

They'll probably do a Sun and Moon special edition to help move the rest of the stock.

Is sold out now, Moon and Sun is out in 4 months.

They should just ship more units, this Pokémon GO phenomenal is boosting 3DS/Pokèmon games like crazy haha

 

[Mooreberg]

I hope Doom keeps on rolling all summer. Amazing game. But yeah, this format is a bore. I wasn't the biggest fan of the combined SKU change a few years ago, and now it is even less informative. It was fun while it lasted.

 

[Unknown?]

I hope Doom keeps on rolling all summer. Amazing game. But yeah, this format is a bore. I wasn't the biggest fan of the combined SKU change a few years ago, and now it is even less informative. It was fun while it lasted.

Doom and Uncharted 4. Best games this year so far!

 

[donny2112]

what info!

There actually is quite a bit available. It just can't be in the OP, since it's not official. Aqua is still doing a great job sharing (with NPD's approval), just not here. Hope creamsugar is okay, whatever his situation may be.

 

[t26]

To continue here the post i made in the last thread:

Man, 3DS is collapsed on Amazon, cause all SKUs are sold out

It's gonna have a nice month, too bad Nintendo gonna have stock problem, hope they ship way more in August!

It is just amazon US having stock problem with Nintendo hardware. It is in stock at gamestop, best buy, and even amazon canada

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

NPD has collapsed as a tool for discussion, hope somebody steps up.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

From PAL chart:

The Pokemon Go mobile phenomenon continues to affect Pokemon 3DS software sales and 3 Pokemon 3DS games re-enter the Top 40: ‘Pokemon Omega Ruby’ (No17), ‘Pokemon Alpha Sapphire’ (No24) and ‘Pokemon Y’ (No29). This week is the first full sales week since the mobile game was launched in UK, which means that August will show a remarkable spike in Pokemon sales and 3DS software and hardware, plus Nintendo’s share of the market.

16 (40) 3DS POKEMON OMEGA RUBY (NINTENDO)
19 (32) 3DS POKEMON ALPHA SAPPHIRE (NINTENDO)
22 (__) 3DS POKEMON Y (NINTENDO)
35 (__) 3DS POKEMON X (NINTENDO)
39 (__) 3DS POKEMON SUPER MYSTERY DUNGEON (NINTENDO)

Eh, Those crazy people who though Pokémon GO was gonna influense positive the 3DS games and hardware sales...

 

[Vena]

Eh, Those crazy people who though Pokémon GO was gonna influense positive the 3DS games and hardware sales...

3DS gonna need a rise from the ashes GIF.

 

[jmdajr]

I remember joining NeoGAF because of these threads.

 

[Roshin]

Maybe the console wars will die now?

We cured the disease by killing the patient.