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[MMaRsu]

I still don't get gamepass - the vast majority of the games I've played and give a shit about aren't on gamepass. The best games I played in 2024 - Elden Ring, Wukong, SH2 Remake, FFVII rebirth, LAD: Infinite Wealth, Balatro, Indika, and Pacific Drive are all not available on gamepass along with a ton of other stuff making up the vast majority of the year's best games.

Fuck gamepass. Play the games you actually want, don't rent the ones Microsoft let you.

What a pathetic post.

You talk about Netflix like this as well?

Watch the movies you want, not the ones Netflix wants you to rent?

What?

What a bunch of bullshit.

There are awesome games on Gamepass. It smells like salty console warrior bullshit.

Console warriors like you are so fucking boring and are so easy to spot.

 

[Roberts]

These convos never lead to anything interesting. Some defend the opportunity to rent games, some scoff at the idea. Blah blah blah. The only thing I know is that I have tons of games stored in the boxes with no other purpose than to slowly collect dust.

I still buy tons of games digitally, but Game Pass has been a blessing and probably the only real reason I have been gaming ever since it launched. Despite an occasional shitty month (like this January) they have amazing team of curators picking up great games and MS first party stuff in the last four years has been better than the competition, imho.

 

[Shrap]

What a pathetic post.

You talk about Netflix like this as well?

Watch the movies you want, not the ones Netflix wants you to rent?

What?

What a bunch of bullshit.

There are awesome games on Gamepass. It smells like salty console warrior bullshit.

Console warriors like you are so fucking boring and are so easy to spot.

...Are you an idiot? That's exactly what I do. Netflix does not cover what I want to watch.

I literally told you my favourite games last year and they aren't on gamepass. It's the shittest deal in gaming for me.

 

[MMaRsu]

...Are you an idiot? That's exactly what I do. Netflix does not cover what I want to watch.

I literally told you my favourite games last year and they aren't on gamepass. It's the shittest deal in gaming for me.

Allright fine. Who cares what you think tho

It's obvious you came into this thread just to shit on Gamepass lmao.

Stinky console warrior bs

 

[KungFucius]

Renting instead of buying is rarely a deal my friend.

huh. Consuming content I would only ever consume once for a fraction of the cost is absolutely a deal compared to paying full price and 'owning' it.

 

[Shrap]

Allright fine. Who cares what you think tho

It's obvious you came into this thread just to shit on Gamepass lmao.

Stinky console warrior bs

Bloody hell mate, get a grip. Asking who cares what I think and simultaneously losing your shit over it is a bit telling.

I did come in to the thread to shit on gamepass and I explained why. I'm not gonna hold my tongue over a service I don't believe in because people will get upset about it.

 

[MMaRsu]

Bloody hell mate, get a grip. Asking who cares what I think and simultaneously losing your shit over it is a bit telling.

I did come in to the thread to shit on gamepass and I explained why. I'm not gonna hold my tongue over a service I don't believe in because people will get upset about it.

Nobody is upset

I am just laughing at your dumbness.

What's wrong with trying out games you're interested in, but not willing to buy them outright?

Tell me truthfully what is wrong with that?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

130 of those I'll never touch.

 

[Banjo64]

I play what I want to play and support the developers who deserve to be financially rewarded for their games. You can’t get a better deal than that.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I completely get the collecting thing, too. When I was younger I did collect until I just tired of it. Then I started selling off old games and trading newer games after I played them because it was less expensive overall than holding onto games I know I'm never going to play again. That's why most games I play are either from GameFly or through game pass or PS plus.

I still buy a half dozen or so games a year if I really like them or I specifically want to support the developers, but overall ownership is meaningless to me. I really don't care that I may eventually lose access to the digital games I have paid for when these multibillion dollar companies that host the libraries go under any day now in the console wars. I figure I already got my money's worth and I won't play most of them anymore anyway. For the handful I'm really sentimental about I tend to keep a physical copy around just in case.

I can get that, you offer the sensible argument for these services. They replace Blockbusters or other rental services.

They mean nothing as far as total value of the stuff that's on them.

Also, that title is misleading, how much are the games that are removed to make room for the new ones worth if you buy them? Probably about the same, so you also lost access to 4800$ worth of games. (Which also makes no sense)

 

[Sanepar]

What a pathetic post.

You talk about Netflix like this as well?

Watch the movies you want, not the ones Netflix wants you to rent?

What?

What a bunch of bullshit.

There are awesome games on Gamepass. It smells like salty console warrior bullshit.

Console warriors like you are so fucking boring and are so easy to spot.

It is not pathetic. Movies and games are different and 8 years of gamepass showed us and MS that.

From top50 2024 from opencritic or metacritic. Only 3 games are available on gamepass. From 2023 is worse only 2. So mainstream games are not on the service beside a really few.

And most of people who defends gamepass behaviour like they need to play and like what is on the service and get blind for the game market because they want "free" games.

 

[MMaRsu]

And most of people who defends gamepass behaviour like they need to play and like what is on the service and get blind for the game market because they want "free" games.

I'm done argueing with you console fanboys

What a bunch of nonsense

I play what I want, if there's nothing of interest, I don't renew.

Why the idea of renting games makes you console fanboys so furious, I'll never know

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

It is not pathetic. Movies and games are different and 8 years of gamepass showed us and MS that.

From top50 2024 from opencritic or metacritic. Only 3 games are available on gamepass. From 2023 is worse only 2. So mainstream games are not on the service beside a really few.

And most of people who defends gamepass behaviour like they need to play and like what is on the service and get blind for the game market because they want "free" games.

Why is top 50 on opencritic so important to you? Helldivers 2 is widely loved and it's #93 on there. Stellar Blade #113 and BM:W #121. There's 7 points separating #50 from #200.

There's a tab on metacritic for gamepass and the vast majority of games are 75+ with tons of games in the 80s or 90s. Plenty of good to great games from over the years on there.

 

[ReBurn]

I can get that, you offer the sensible argument for these services. They replace Blockbusters or other rental services.

They mean nothing as far as total value of the stuff that's on them.

Also, that title is misleading, how much are the games that are removed to make room for the new ones worth if you buy them? Probably about the same, so you also lost access to 4800$ worth of games. (Which also makes no sense)

Yeah, Xbox and PlayStation have leaned pretty heavily into total value as a marketing pitch for their services. I don't buy into the total value stuff outside of the edge case where if someone actually plays every game that was added to the service they will have paid less than the total purchase price of all of the same games on the Xbox or PlayStation store to play them. The actual value for me comes down to how much I spend on the service compared to the number of games I actually play in a year, and how much I enjoy playing them.

I also don't buy into the "but you pay money and don't own anything" argument that people clap back with, either. I don't derive enjoyment from ownership of stuff. I derive enjoyment from the experiences that I have. I don't own a copy of a movie when I go to see one or rent one to watch. I don't own the songs I hear when I go to a concert. Similarly, I play video games for the experience. I don't have to own a game to enjoy it.

According to the wrap up thing I played 64 different games on game pass last year and I paid for it with Microsoft reward points, so it was a great value for me. Even if I had paid full price I couldn't have purchased everything I played for less than $240. All but 5 or so were games I probably wouldn't have played at all without the service and are games I definitely won't play again.

 

[xrnzaaas]

I remember when MS doing similar math with monthly trash GWG games, it was even funnier.

 

[Generic]

No matter your personal opinions on gaming subscription services, there’s no escaping the fact that Game Pass represents some pretty amazing value. While there’s no guarantee that any of your favorite games in the library will hang around forever, you’re still getting access to heaps of titles, day-one additions, and extra bonuses and perks, too, depending on which tier you’re on. To see exactly how last year’s lineup of new Game Pass games stacked up, I’ve crunched the numbers on everything added to PC Game Pass in 2024, which was a collection of 137 games with a value of just over $4,800.

Having had my head buried in all of this year’s Game Pass announcement posts and spreadsheets for most of this week, I’ve collated all of the new Game Pass games that PC players had access to last year. If you were to take their US Microsoft Store price at the time each game was added to PC Game Pass, the total value of 2024’s lineup would be $4,812.63 USD.

I’m afraid I couldn’t find the time to do exact storefront totals for other currencies, but converting that amount with today’s exchange rates will give you figures of around £3,924 / €4,670 / $6,924 CAN / $7,769 AUD.

PC Game Pass added 137 games worth $4,800 in 2024

Our number crunching shows that PC Game Pass saw 137 new games added to the library last year, with 37 of them being day-one releases.

www.pcgamesn.com

Nooooo I rather pay $70 for games I don't legally own!

 

[Generic]

Renting instead of buying is rarely a deal my friend.

YOU OWN NOTHING. BEST DEAL EVER.

Steam Finally Makes It Clear You Don’t Own Your Games

Valve updated Steam’s shopping carts to notify users that they’re only buying a “license” for the game, not the game itself.

gizmodo.com

Valve updated Steam’s shopping carts to notify users that they’re only buying a “license” for the game, not the game itself.

 

[tmlDan]

This is true but how many people really go back and replay games? Can't be that many. I barely ever replay games and I play daily. There's about 5 games I'll go back and replay. Either way sub services like this aren't for me because I like to decide what I play next and the game I want to play next is almost never on a sub service. So I'd rather just buy the game I want to play next instead of playing something just because it's on a sub service and I kind of want to play it. Even if I'll probably never touch that game again after beating it.

i dont replay games, i just go back to remember a save and a character i had in the past, can't do that with gamepass if i unsub or the service gets removed in 15 years due to no growth. Like i go back to my divinity original sin 2 (and other games) character and just see what build i had to relive a memory lol

 

[Idleyes]

Whether you’re buying games outright or paying for a subscription like Game Pass, we're all collectively subsidizing the gaming industry. Some folks drop cash upfront and like owning their games, while others pay steady over time and don't give a shit about owning the games. At the end of the day, the companies still get their bag, and we all help keep the games coming, no matter how we’re paying. I could never understand why people are so quick to put their dick in someone because they've chosen one over the other. I do both. Well, not the dick part unless you're my wife.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I also don't buy into the "but you pay money and don't own anything" argument that people clap back with, either. I don't derive enjoyment from ownership of stuff. I derive enjoyment from the experiences that I have. I don't own a copy of a movie when I go to see one or rent one to watch.

These days our digital libraries can be taken away, in part or in full, at any moment.

Still, over time the library grows, it's value also does. I have been gaming since the 80s, have steam, epic, and PlayStation libraries of 150 to 250 games each, few bought at full price (thankfully). Add the emulators + the actual retro consoles and my personal library is almost bottomless.

On these services games are often on a rolling schedule, a given game will come and go many times over the years. So you may end up in a situation where most of the games are games that definitely don't interest you, or you already played them (most are old).

 

[Cakeboxer]

Renting instead of buying is rarely a deal my friend.

The majority "buys" digital and don't own shit. You just get a licence to play which isn't much better than renting.

 

[adamsapple]

Steam Finally Makes It Clear You Don’t Own Your Games

Valve updated Steam’s shopping carts to notify users that they’re only buying a “license” for the game, not the game itself.

gizmodo.com

 

[Idleyes]

The majority "buys" digital and don't own shit. You just get a licence to play which isn't much better than renting.

Yeah, this is common knowledge. Take Steam, for example, while I don’t see them shutting down anytime soon, if they ever did, all your games would be gone. The only way to keep them would be to have every single one installed on your system because without Steam’s servers, you wouldn’t be able to reinstall anything.

In a way, everyone buying games on Steam is basically paying to keep the whole platform running so we all keep our libraries. If people stopped buying games on Steam and the platform went under, everyone would lose everything. So when you think about it, Steam is just another version of Game Pass, it’s just packaged differently. I have over 800 games on steam so I have a vested interest in dogging out people for using another platform. But I don't.

 

[Idleyes]

Now that I think about it, if we all stopped buying games on Steam, they’d probably get so desperate they’d finally release Half-Life 3.

 

[Idleyes]

I can get 137 games on Steam key sites for less than $100

That’s cool and all, but what the hell does that have to do with people subscribing to Game Pass because it makes sense to them, just like what you said makes sense to us? I don’t get why folks waste so much energy over how someone else is spending their money. Only time that makes sense to me is if it's money being spent by a terrorist organization or some shit.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

That’s cool and all, but what the hell does that have to do with people subscribing to Game Pass because it makes sense to them, just like what you said makes sense to us? I don’t get why folks waste so much energy over how someone else is spending their money. Only time that makes sense to me is if it's money being spent by a terrorist organization or some shit.

I use gamepass too. I played hellblade 1+2, cod blops 6, and indiana jones for less than $8

 

[Sanepar]

Why is top 50 on opencritic so important to you? Helldivers 2 is widely loved and it's #93 on there. Stellar Blade #113 and BM:W #121. There's 7 points separating #50 from #200.

There's a tab on metacritic for gamepass and the vast majority of games are 75+ with tons of games in the 80s or 90s. Plenty of good to great games from over the years on there.

You can use top100 less than 10 games.

 

[Sanepar]

I'm done argueing with you console fanboys

What a bunch of nonsense

I play what I want, if there's nothing of interest, I don't renew.

Why the idea of renting games makes you console fanboys so furious, I'll never know

The only console I have is a series X where my wife plays. I only play on PC.

 

[ChoosableOne]

The majority "buys" digital and don't own shit. You just get a licence to play which isn't much better than renting.

Over the past 10-15 years, I have acquired many licenses(playstation included) and I will be able to play these games for at least the next 10 years (probably even longer). However, my Gamepass sub ends in November 2025, and it's not a static library. I think there's a big difference between the two.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Over the past 10-15 years, I have acquired many licenses(playstation included) and I will be able to play these games for at least the next 10 years (probably even longer). However, my Gamepass sub ends in November 2025, and it's not a static library. I think there's a big difference between the two.

Of course they are different, but they have on important thing in common: You don't own anything. You only own games that you buy on discs and even those are nowadays often bugged and require huge patches that you can't download as soon as the servers are dead.

 

[kruis]

Gamepass is only a good deal if you play and enjoy lots of games on that service. But if like me you couldn't care less about 98% of the games added to that service last year, there's still no reason to subscribe. I save more money buying the handful of Gamepass games I'm interested in on PC key sites than if I'd gotten a subscription.

 

[Little Chicken]

Renting instead of buying is rarely a deal my friend.

You don't take games with you when you die so who cares.

 

[adamsapple]

You don't take games with you when you die so who cares.

Bury me with my copy of Knack 2.

 

[ChoosableOne]

Of course they are different, but they have on important thing in common: You don't own anything. You only own games that you buy on discs and even those are nowadays often bugged and require huge patches that you can't download as soon as the servers are dead.

That's a bigger issue imo. Having a 30-40 year (or even infinite?) license is more appealing to me than physically owning a game. Back in the day, I had many CDs/DVDs of PC games, but it’s obvious that using them in 2025 isn’t practical(maybe it's more practical for consoles released before ps4 generation). Most of them have either deteriorated, gotten lost, or I’ve thrown them away. Hell, I don't even have a disc drive anymore. On the other hand, I’ve had seamless access to digital platforms like Steam for years. Especially with backward compatible consoles, I’ll be able to access my console games for many years to come too.

If my "licenses" expire in 2040 and I’m still alive, I’ll just buy remastered versions of the games I love, though I rarely replay games anyway. I can understand collectors but aside from that, buying digital licenses makes more sense to me. Same goes for movies and music.

 

[Cakeboxer]

That's a bigger issue imo. Having a 30-40 year (or even infinite?) license is more appealing to me than physically owning a game. Back in the day, I had many CDs/DVDs of PC games, but it’s obvious that using them in 2025 isn’t practical(maybe it's more practical for consoles released before ps4 generation). Most of them have either deteriorated, gotten lost, or I’ve thrown them away. Hell, I don't even have a disc drive anymore. On the other hand, I’ve had seamless access to digital platforms like Steam for years. Especially with backward compatible consoles, I’ll be able to access my console games for many years to come too.

If my "licenses" expire in 2040 and I’m still alive, I’ll just buy remastered versions of the games I love, though I rarely replay games anyway. I can understand collectors but aside from that, buying digital licenses makes more sense to me. Same goes for movies and music.

I don't trust licences at all. I got my huge GOG collection (tripple backupped) + thousands of retro games + all my old Pc disc backupped for virtual drives (don't own a disc drive either). Even without internet, i'll have more than enough to play for the rest of my life.

 

[ChoosableOne]

I don't trust licences at all. I got my huge GOG collection (tripple backupped) + thousands of retro games + all my old Pc disc backupped for virtual drives (don't own a disc drive either). Even without internet, i'll have more than enough to play for the rest of my life.

Wow, that's my dream bunker setup

 

[buenoblue]

I just do gamepass for a couple months of the year and binge on new games then unsubscribe.

Also gamepass removed 57 games in 2024 too.