DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ah yes. The PC push has begun
HeisenbergFX4
HeisenbergFX4
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Phil Spencer "Japanese PC gaming market has doubled in size over the last 3 years"
- Thread starter ArtHands
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I have been hearing it too much last couple of months especially a few phrases repeated by some peopleAh yes. The PC push has begun
I have a feeling a manifesto of sorts is already out there as soon as the PS5 Pro is officially announced
Kilau
Member
Spitfire098
Member
What you want him to talk about? Xbox sales?
bender
What time is it?
JimboJones
Member
Yeah, it's people being ignorant or perhaps "concern trolling" as some people would like to phrase it.KADOKAWA ASCII also says there were 16 million PC game users in Japan in 2021 – among a total gamer base of 55.4 million people
That’s two years ago.
Publishers wouldn't be continually releasing games if the audience wasn't there.
Holammer
Member
KADOKAWA ASCII also says there were 16 million PC game users in Japan in 2021 – among a total gamer base of 55.4 million people
That’s two years ago.
Relevant to this discussion and it's only a few months old now.
TLDR: There are more Japanese language users on Steam than French or German.
Percentage of Japanese language users at record high on Steam, surpassing even German and French - AUTOMATON WEST
According to Valve's Steam Hardware & Software Survey, Japanese is currently the sixth most used language on the platform, meaning that there has been a significant increase in Japanese users in June.
automaton-media.com
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Bry0
Member
Gabe Newell will never sell. It would never even get to that point As long as Gabe is in charge. Valves vision for pc gaming is not centered windows judging from their work on deck.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Oh good, we have 2 Japanese people playing now 
Kataploom
Gold Member
Japanese indie scene has always been kinda big. You'd see many indie game devs selling their games in a Comiket like twice a year iirc, they were mostly visual novels and fan games though so I feel it's normal for western people to ignore it.
AAA PC industry is another matter though, I don't think it ever found a hole in there until recent years, probably eSports (as always) and western influence helped a lot.
AAA PC industry is another matter though, I don't think it ever found a hole in there until recent years, probably eSports (as always) and western influence helped a lot.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Big corporations. Software wise at least.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What about Vulkan and Proton?
DeliciousDoc
Member
I've been running "Japanese games on PC" on steam with the intent of cataloguing all the Japanese games. I started in late 2019. At that point in time Japanese ports were Xbox ports, Capcom, koei and square Enix.
I had to seek out games but now it's hard to keep up. Indies find me before I find them.
People saying the Japanese PC market is VN games only are the same breed of people who say Japan is all about tentacle porn. Living 30 years in the past and proud of their ignorance. Most games now get a PC port with the notable exception of level 5, Nintendo studios and vanillaware. Atlus is a bit late to the game and working on porting their back catalogue but their upcoming games get a PC port.
There is also a lot less "this game is not available in Japan" for Japanese games.
As a side note, an upcoming market is definitely Chinese games. The quality and variety is rising even though they aren't technically supposed to be on the same steam as us.
I had to seek out games but now it's hard to keep up. Indies find me before I find them.
People saying the Japanese PC market is VN games only are the same breed of people who say Japan is all about tentacle porn. Living 30 years in the past and proud of their ignorance. Most games now get a PC port with the notable exception of level 5, Nintendo studios and vanillaware. Atlus is a bit late to the game and working on porting their back catalogue but their upcoming games get a PC port.
There is also a lot less "this game is not available in Japan" for Japanese games.
As a side note, an upcoming market is definitely Chinese games. The quality and variety is rising even though they aren't technically supposed to be on the same steam as us.
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Dream-Knife
Banned
What do you mean? Vulkan and Proton run on linux.
twilo99
Member
Delusion is an interesting phenomenon
Crayon
Member
Ever wonder where we'd all be? Probably with choices of multiple operating systems, hardware standards, and open software standards. We'd probabaly be a lot better off assuming someone didn't swoop in and be exactly like ms has been.
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Klayzer
Member
Some people really think this industry can't survive without Microsoft.
Crayon
Member
Every thread in every forum should be with what we've seen this week. Got receipts on what many have been trying to warn about for years. Eliminate Sony, buy Nintendo, buy valve. Cry me a river.
Those are just free tools now. Me and you could go build a launcher and roll Proton and associated technologies into it.
This is the only place I know of where I'm not up to my neck in that shit all the time. "Anti-Xbox".
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Who will maintain and improve them?
Crayon
Member
Syphon Filter
Member
Most likely Steam deck since handhelds interest japan. It uses Linux.
Crayon
Member
Nah, it's laptops and desktops.
Syphon Filter
Member
Proton is alright but native is ideal.Whoever maintains and improves this.
Crayon
Member
Native would be nice but I've long since changed my mind about it being particularly important. Same with my opinion that proton is even that different from "native" to userland. Software is all stacks and layers. Proton is pretty distant from somehting like emulation or a vm. It just a translation layer. Practically no overhead. Fixes as many games as it breaks these days, both windows and native linux. In practice, there's not much in it.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
KADOKAWA ASCII also says there were 16 million PC game users in Japan in 2021 – among a total gamer base of 55.4 million people
That’s two years ago.
So basically at least 20+ million PC gamers by now in Japan. That’s more than half of PS5 sold globally.
Dream-Knife
Banned
GitHub - KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Headers: Vulkan header files and API registry
Vulkan header files and API registry. Contribute to KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Headers development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
GitHub - ValveSoftware/Proton: Compatibility tool for Steam Play based on Wine and additional components
Compatibility tool for Steam Play based on Wine and additional components - GitHub - ValveSoftware/Proton: Compatibility tool for Steam Play based on Wine and additional components
github.com
Neither of those are dependent on microsoft.
Agreed.
twilo99
Member
We have all of that...
Crayon
Member
Haha. Yeah that's a good point. With the altered history without windows, there would have been more types of competing hardware, os, etc competing. Google, apple, and open source managed to subvert ms but what a struggle. And still, pc means windows for most people who get in front of a computer. If ms had not been around, or rather, any company that would usurp personal computing, we'd all be better off. They spent a long time aggressively hobbling competition. We'll never know, but imo that can't be good.
But Phil said it. That's like.......well it's like something.
hyperbertha
Member
This is entirely because japanese games are coming to pc these days. If the scene was like 10 years ago no japanese would touch it.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
No one said those depend on MS, but they were created/dependent of "big" guys (Khronos and Valve).
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Dream-Knife
Banned
By big guys, I'm referring to the real big guys. Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon, Tencent, etc.
Shake Your Rump
Banned
“reality has a well-known
Sushi_Combo
Member
He's definitely gonna buy the entire nation of Japan next.
Sentenza
Member
Japan now accounts for roughly the 6-8% (depending on the source checked) of the total spending on Steam.
And this is data from half of 2022, more specifically.
90% of all revenue on Steam come from top 8 countries, US publishers account for almost 50% of sales | Game World Observer
VG Insights has shared a new report on Steam publishers. It’s been found out that 90% of all revenue on the store comes from the top 8 countries, including the US, Japan, and France.
gameworldobserver.com
Do you feel this is a decent answer to the question?
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Sentenza
Member
Probably on the dominant OS replacing it?
twilo99
Member
Well.. yes lol
Point being is that Windows has been a good platform for a lot of businesses to grow into huge companies, including Valve.
Rendered Tangent
Banned
Yes, at least you provided information that gives an idea of the growth in real terms, as opposed to the vagueness of "doubled in size".Japan now accounts for roughly the 6-8% (depending on the source checked) of the total spending on Steam.
And this is data from half of 2022, more specifically.
90% of all revenue on Steam come from top 8 countries, US publishers account for almost 50% of sales | Game World Observer
VG Insights has shared a new report on Steam publishers. It’s been found out that 90% of all revenue on the store comes from the top 8 countries, including the US, Japan, and France.
Do you feel this is a decent answer to the question?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
11 million PC gamers in Japan in 2015, which is 8.5yrs ago, so safe to say that Japanese gamers were “touching” PC gaming - and you aren’t the spokesperson for Japan.
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Buggy Loop
Member
Relevant to this discussion and it's only a few months old now.
TLDR: There are more Japanese language users on Steam than French or German.
Percentage of Japanese language users at record high on Steam, surpassing even German and French - AUTOMATON WEST
According to Valve's Steam Hardware & Software Survey, Japanese is currently the sixth most used language on the platform, meaning that there has been a significant increase in Japanese users in June.
Yup, Japan is Steam's highest growth market for years now
But let's make jokes about 2 → 4 players LOLOLOLOL
Lucie Goosey
Member
Nah. Gabe wouldn't let Microsoft drive it into the ground.
God no.
Fuck GamePass, and fuck all further developer acquisition and industry consolidation.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Yup, Japan is Steam's highest growth market for years now
But let's make jokes about 2 → 4 players LOLOLOLOL
Its just their coping mechanism.
There are more PC players than PS5 players in Japan right now
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Rendered Tangent
Banned
I was always a bit surprised Japan wasn't a bigger market for pc gaming, but it seems they are catching up.