DeepEnigma
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i don't think so, otherwise there no reason for them to cut price on ps4.
Of course there is. Higher install base = more software sales = higher chance of subscriptions as well driving up revenue.
i don't think so, otherwise there no reason for them to cut price on ps4.
Which is why i said curious indeedYou can't get 880GB/s with GDDR5.
No way. Not possible.
Probably GDDR5X?
Those have 14Gb/s max, too
Even tho i never head of any consumer product that was released with 14Gb/s GDDR5x
I agree but its worth pointing out and so far Osiris hasn't cleared it upI think that is a typo. There is only so much you can get out of GDDR5, and it is not enough to be worth it.
So if they're not making money on ps4 or making 30$ or less by cuting price by 50$ they should be in net negative - 20$ - 50$ that seems bad business.Of course there is. Higher install base = more software sales = higher chance of subscriptions as well driving up revenue.
this.Only way you're reaching 880GB/sec is with HMB.
AMD Ryzen cpu custom configuration 3.20 , 7nm Navi gpu 2.1 18gddr5 Is what I heard a while ago. As far as the public announcement It will be soon. I sent this info to a mod a while ago I couldn’t post until something else leaked first. I’ll post everything now that something semi accurate is out there.
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Only way you're reaching 880GB/sec is with HMB.
OK which number is the correct number for the GPU clock? 2.1Ghz or 1.121Ghz
No way, they would not pull an Xbox One.eDRAM
or maybe they are cutting the price because of recent cost reductionsSo if they're not making money on ps4 or making 30$ or less by cuting price by 50$ they should be in net negative - 20$ - 50$ that seems bad business.
or maybe they are cutting the price because of recent cost reductions
I remember Shuhei Yoshida saying the PS4 was profitable on Day 1 after 1 game sale...So I doubt they aren't making money off the PS4 5 years later.Maybe, but in that case cost of all major parts must be reduced from different manufacturers to save up 50$, but still i doubt that they're not making any money on ps4, ps3 times are long gone.
1.121 sounds more accurate. We will have to wait for a clear up. He probably is posting various things to not blow cover?
Vega 7nm is clocked closer to 2.1Ghz & for PS5 to be 11TF with a GPU clocked at 1.121Ghz it would have to have around 78 CU unless there really is a big change with Navi like the patent.
yea by now they should be making 50$ or even more ps4 is old machine by now so it's cheap to make.I remember Shuhei Yoshida saying the PS4 was profitable on Day 1 after 1 game sale...So I doubt they aren't making money off the PS4 5 years later.
Ah ok, gotcha. I was going off of what speeds are clocked at now with the current 16nm.
Vega 7nm is clocked closer to 2.1Ghz & for PS5 to be 11TF with a GPU clocked at 1.121Ghz it would have to have around 78 CU unless there really is a big change with Navi like the patent.
i don't think so, otherwise there no reason for them to cut price on ps4.
They could be making money on ps4 just not as much or not for prolonged periodsMaybe, but in that case cost of all major parts must be reduced from different manufacturers to save up 50$, but still i doubt that they're not making any money on ps4, ps3 times are long gone.
@ 880 GB/s memory bandwidth.
To put in perspective 2080Ti using latest GDDR6 video memory is rated at 616 GB/s with 352 Bit memory interface config.
eDRAM
At least it's that time of the year again where we have fun before the imminent revealHooray there's specs out there. Great, now expectations are suitably set so if they fall short in any area people are disappointed and if they match them then so what we've known this forever.
Now what would you all like to discuss over the next year plus as we wait for the official reveal.![]()
I don't know how much they'd cost them and what agreements they have with AMD, but obviously they're much cheaper than what you'd buy from a store.More than 16 GB RAM in PS5? Impossible. High RAM prices.
GPU better than GeForce 1080Ti in 2019 in PS5? Yea, sure. Only if the console costs more than 600 euros.
All we can get is a good CPU upgrade because Zen 2 will be suitable enough for PS5.
P.S: Anyone expecting built-in SSD should wake up. Games are getting heavier every year. PS5 should start with 2 TB HDD. Remind me how much 2 TB SSD cost at the moment?
According to AMD presentation raytracing on AMD VEGA can be accelerated thanks to async. I remember seeing vega vs pascal results in raytracing operations and the difference was HUGE, and of course in PS5 they should prepare whole hardware for raytracing operations from the start with even better results so I would be not surprised if PS5 would indeed use raytracing. It would be a big selling point for sure, and console games unlike PC games can be played at 30fps, so requirements for raytracing will be lower.Lets gets this on here:
One of the things that make me think fake is the temporal reprojection hardware to be built in. That would ignore the breakout box. That kind of hardware combined with what the GPU sets out to do (Custom DLSS like hardware, Custom Raytracing stuff) seems expensive from a BOM point of view.
CPU: A 6 core/12 thread? We do make a massive jump in CPU power, but dropping from 8 to 6 seems a cost reduction step to me. Other than that; Zen 2 makes sense for that time frame. Customized stuff like this behind the scenes gets priority, this is why early sillicon often is so much earlier than near final stuff.
GPU: This is a bit more questionable. Whilst Navi is definitely a thing that might occur in 2019, i am not sure if Sony is able to get that tech in their console by Q4 2019. Like the CPU above, i do have to factor in early silicon, but where Zen 2 is more or less an evolution of an existing thing, Navi seems more modern than just that. Also, core counts.
Radeon Rays: The more controversial part of the leak. This sounds more like wishful thinking to me. Although RR exists, its (AFAIK) a software implementation on current cards, and not a dedicated core like Nvidia's RT Core. To have a hardware implementation of this seems costly, unless Navi is going to feature this aswell.
More doubts on my mind is the ''dedicated hardware post processing for a variety of the buffers'' part. So like Nvidia, hardware DLSS? This would be a bigger boost to frame rate if true, but again, this would mean custom silicon, thus raising the costs. I find that hard to believe, especially since again, AMD does not yet have a hardware analog to what Nvidia has in its RTX card. Thus this is all new and custom silicon which is expensive.
Memory: GDDR6 seems like a sure thing: By the time PS5 launches, this is a common memory format. 16 GB does seem a little low even when 14 GB is available. That's just 4 GB more than the Xbox One X, which admittely, uses GDDR5. And that's just a mid-gen refresh. Will that make the difference to a more stable native 4K?I would wager 24 GB be a bigger boost, although 16 GB of GDDR6 is a huge step compared to base hardwares, and it is something you won't find in PC's (yet).
Conclusion:
This stuff sounds believable from the naked eye. But there are details that make me lean more towards the fake bracket. BOM (Bill of Materials) is a thing that one should not undermine, as that represents the true value of all the components that go into a console. I believe that there is too much custom hardware in there that this won't be made up by dropping 2 cores on the CPU spec or going with just 16 GB RAM in order to reduce the overall costs completely. Especially towards raytracing, hardware DLSS and then that hardware VR reprojection built in.. that seems excessive and killing for the BOM. Then we are talking prices at PS3 launch in my opinion (600 dollars) or even more.
But who knows, you know? Perhaps AMD and Sony strike a good deal and they can do all this for the expected 400-500 bucks. Such a device would ooze with potential though: We get raytracing on consoles, we get sufficient CPU/GPU power to finally tackle the more obvious culprits in technical application, but personally, although this is a very well done spec, i don't think it will work out just solely for the aforementioned details. But i'd love to be proven wrong by AMD/Sony in this regard.![]()
For what? It works fine already. I don't play multiplayer games apart from FIFA18 (only sometimes).You all are too caught up in the hardware specs. All I want is for sony to improve the PSN experience to the next level like faster download speeds, better online stability and connections, then worry about the hardware later. Powerful software and hardware combined would make the leap over this gen a lot better.
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Only way you're reaching 880GB/sec is with HMB.
It could be some AMD chiplet design with a very high bandwidth to the GPU. But I don't see how that will be economically for a console anytime soon.
The alleged specs seem weird. The RAM amount and bandwidth almost seems like an aggregate sum of several different components. Something a marketing department would do.
For what? It works fine already. I don't play multiplayer games apart from FIFA18 (only sometimes).
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No, there are other ways with other memory types......Not disregarding the possibilty of HBM though, HBM3?..., but I don't think such bandwidth will be impossible for a console in two years......Besides, such bandwidth may very well be shared by GPU+CPU...Only way you're reaching 880GB/sec is with HMB.
"Say my name three times like candy man, bet I roll on your a** like an avalanche"
I hope he does![]()
Not need to as such but if the target was to use close to the same die space as PS4 did for the CPU then something would need to be paired back. I think it fair to say that the GPU takes precedent over the CPU when it comes to divvying up die space?
Sony sold 20m Ps4 in FY16
Sony sold 19m Ps4 in FY17
If they made $50 on each console, that would be $1bn profit.
The total profit of the whole G&NS division in FY16? Below $1.2bn
And even if they made only $30 just recently in FY2017 when their profits skyrocketed to $1.55bn, that would be more than 1/3 of the total.
Does not work out.
You don't make any meaningful money on console hardware. Games, Services and MTX is where the money is.
The 2GB extra slow ram must be for streaming/twitch, i think thats what the extra one on the pro is for.
I think a 6c/12t configuration for Ryzen 2 (nice to see they solved the AVX-256 half speed issue they had with the first generation Ryzen) running at 2.5 GHz (base clock, boost clock maybe going to 3-3.5 GHz if enabled) would run circles around the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X CPU configurations, but I still think they could fit the 8c/16t setup as the former leaves a top big percentage of CPU resources to the OS (or restrains it too much).
6c/12t would still be nice enough I agree but 8c just keeps things simple from PS4. I really don't think Sony would be comfortable with base/boost clocks outside of PS4 BC perhaps. A fixed clock in the 2.5/3.0GHz range is more likely in a console IMO.