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95% of the people that say Sony games are just movies have never played the games
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PS4 Games are Interactive Movies (let's hash this low level bait out)
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Birdo
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When people call games "Interactive movies" they are usually referring to the feeling that you are just being led around until the next cutscene trigger.
For example. Naughty Dog games have a very set structure.
1. Cut-scene leading to area.
2. Player enters small area littered with enemies or abstacles.
3. Player clears enemies or scales obstacles in area. Triggering next cut-scene.
4. Cut-scene then plays, leading to next area.
5. Repeat 2-3.
It's that linear structure that feels automatic and repetitive. Making it feel like you have no real control over what is happening. Hence, an interactive movie.
As to why people accuse Sony of this more? Well, they just have more story-driven games with this style of structure, I suppose.
For example. Naughty Dog games have a very set structure.
1. Cut-scene leading to area.
2. Player enters small area littered with enemies or abstacles.
3. Player clears enemies or scales obstacles in area. Triggering next cut-scene.
4. Cut-scene then plays, leading to next area.
5. Repeat 2-3.
It's that linear structure that feels automatic and repetitive. Making it feel like you have no real control over what is happening. Hence, an interactive movie.
As to why people accuse Sony of this more? Well, they just have more story-driven games with this style of structure, I suppose.
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sol_bad
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Sony games are certainly not "interactive movies", they are as far from it as possible. I'm not sure why people want to keep saying that and throwing shade at them. TLOU seems to be a hot topic, I'm not sure if anyone remembers a little game called Manhunt or even Splintercell, they are both stealth games, TLOU is a stealth game. How can anyone love Manhunt/Splintercell and not love/be interested in TLOU. Is it simply because it has more cut scenes. In terms of actual game play mechanics, it's far more advanced than Manhunt or Splintercell. If you think the gameplay sucks because you can use that ability that shows you enemies through walls, why not just not use it? Yes I know, it's a gameplay mechanic and the developers put it in there to be used. But you don't have to force yourself.
Spider-Man is like the Arkham games, the new GoW is a slower paced Zelda adventure game, Days Gone is a post apocalyptic RDR, Driveclub is a .... car game, Uncharted 4 is a 3rd person shooter with cut scenes, Horizon is like Witcher. How are any of these interactive movies?
People throw shade at Sony games, why not throw shade at JRPG's? They are just interactive audio books. You either read or listen to heaps of text/dialogue and then look at lots of menus to do things. If it's battle system isn't text based you still basically do the same shallow thing over and over except for the bosses.
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On top of what birdo said above, not every game needs to be open world. Is Half Life an interactive non movie because you are directed down a single path?
Spider-Man is like the Arkham games, the new GoW is a slower paced Zelda adventure game, Days Gone is a post apocalyptic RDR, Driveclub is a .... car game, Uncharted 4 is a 3rd person shooter with cut scenes, Horizon is like Witcher. How are any of these interactive movies?
People throw shade at Sony games, why not throw shade at JRPG's? They are just interactive audio books. You either read or listen to heaps of text/dialogue and then look at lots of menus to do things. If it's battle system isn't text based you still basically do the same shallow thing over and over except for the bosses.
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On top of what birdo said above, not every game needs to be open world. Is Half Life an interactive non movie because you are directed down a single path?
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Hobbygaming
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I've noticed this too, Quantum Break, Ryse, Gears 4 and Gears 5 are exempt somehow lol
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DeepEnigma
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Quantum Break literally had a damn TV show you downloaded into it.
And I still call it a game.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Damn interactive movies!
Hobbygaming
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Yeah, I really liked Quantum Break too, it's still a game with its TV show, slow walking scenes and its cutscenes
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nikolino840
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We have to ask...why not ms games are cinematics games? What's the differences?
Explosive Zombie
Banned
That's my main question, Nintendo Switch fans can lob this complaint but very often I see it from Xbox owners or people who just in general like games trying just as hard to emulate movies as PS4 games do. It legit confounds me that there's such a lack of self awareness. Gears 5 has been receiving heaps of praise from XBOX Gaf and though I wouldn't say it's without reason I would say it's weird considering it's the most story/cinematic focused Gears we've ever gotten.
Keihart
Member
Well they are interactive and can look as good as movies sometimes, but the key part is interactive and the fact that somehow it's used as a derogatory term. The adjectives in "Interactive movie" are kinda right, the games capture the cinematic aesthetic but are interactive is just the intention behind the use of it the problem. ND games are very much interactive and way more interactive than most games that try to be movie like, even from studios that try to copy or emulate their formula.
I get triggered at how unappreciated the combat in Uncharted and TLoU is sometimes tho, even more so in Uncharted 4. Uncharted 4 has amazing combat but since everything else is so good too and the fact that it is so different to other third person shooters so most people that don't adjust just get kicked in the face by the harder difficulties makes for a lot of "uncharted combat is subpar" or the likes. One of the things i will kinda miss from Uncharted since is kinda retired at this point is how much mobility and finishers are part of the combat. Learning how and when to move and how to execute enemies fast makes for some great player controlled set pieces when presented with arenas and the way they control they encounters make for some very movie looking shootouts in the more linear segments.
I'll just post an old video i uploaded to show that you can very much use all of Drake's move set even on the hardest difficulty:
I get triggered at how unappreciated the combat in Uncharted and TLoU is sometimes tho, even more so in Uncharted 4. Uncharted 4 has amazing combat but since everything else is so good too and the fact that it is so different to other third person shooters so most people that don't adjust just get kicked in the face by the harder difficulties makes for a lot of "uncharted combat is subpar" or the likes. One of the things i will kinda miss from Uncharted since is kinda retired at this point is how much mobility and finishers are part of the combat. Learning how and when to move and how to execute enemies fast makes for some great player controlled set pieces when presented with arenas and the way they control they encounters make for some very movie looking shootouts in the more linear segments.
I'll just post an old video i uploaded to show that you can very much use all of Drake's move set even on the hardest difficulty:
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Every person I've argued with about Uncharted combat being great says they played it on easy or normal and upping the difficulty just so enemies are bullet sponges won't make it any better. Except they don't become bullet sponges, Drake just stops being one and it forces you to play the game better than you need to on lower difficulties.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sony has focused on SP games. Not a surprise. There best selling and highest rated games are SP franchises.
You have a choice of games. Which ones would you buy?
Group 1 (SP focus)
- God of War
- UC
- Spiderman
- Infamous
- Horizon
- LoU
- Quantic Dream partnership games
- Bloodborne partnership game
Group 2 (MP focus)
- Killzone
- GT
- Resistance
- Socom
- MAG
- That all-stars fighting game
- Motorstorm
- The Show
Technically, Group 2 has more variety, but the better games (and sales) come from Group 1.
You have a choice of games. Which ones would you buy?
Group 1 (SP focus)
- God of War
- UC
- Spiderman
- Infamous
- Horizon
- LoU
- Quantic Dream partnership games
- Bloodborne partnership game
Group 2 (MP focus)
- Killzone
- GT
- Resistance
- Socom
- MAG
- That all-stars fighting game
- Motorstorm
- The Show
Technically, Group 2 has more variety, but the better games (and sales) come from Group 1.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
Killzone and Resistance I thought were best in campaign mode. Resistance 3 in particular was great, I'm also a big fan of Killzone 2-4. I hope PS5 gives us some sort of Killzone collection remastered.
MagnesG
Banned
I don't want to give in my thoughts if the only responses would be emotional answers that come out from these rants.
Even then, what's so wrong with games being called "movies"? Aren't we always tend to overgeneralize everything due to how much our brain got lazy, only focusing on the strong points? Also giving an example of a car game to alleviate the stigma, lol come on. Sony games doesn't have to mean ALL Sony games, just like how Ninty games are for kiddies.
Sony games got called out much often is because they market their games a whole lot on their story departments, strikingly similar to a movie trailer, they must sell on the story and adventure. Every time I saw it, I'll be thinking of investing on a new movie lol. Well, I'll be generous and would call it "interactive movies" for once.
Gonna post a less troll, constructive post next time if I feel like it. Would have to bait first and wait.
Even then, what's so wrong with games being called "movies"? Aren't we always tend to overgeneralize everything due to how much our brain got lazy, only focusing on the strong points? Also giving an example of a car game to alleviate the stigma, lol come on. Sony games doesn't have to mean ALL Sony games, just like how Ninty games are for kiddies.
Sony games got called out much often is because they market their games a whole lot on their story departments, strikingly similar to a movie trailer, they must sell on the story and adventure. Every time I saw it, I'll be thinking of investing on a new movie lol. Well, I'll be generous and would call it "interactive movies" for once.
Gonna post a less troll, constructive post next time if I feel like it. Would have to bait first and wait.
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synchronicity
Member
I just like variety within gaming, and Sony does what Sony does quite well imo. So if I'm in the mood for that flavor, I imbibe.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I mean, this just looks awful. Like, let's just agree to disagree on stuff like the movement feeling sluggish and awful in these games, or the shooting, itself, being woefully unsatisfying. What that video demonstrates is that the game makes it unclear what you need to do to survive. Where are you supposed to position yourself? When are you supposed to move? Which enemies are dangerous enough that they can kill you in like 2 hits? You have to be completely precise in your movements, yet the games communicate none of those things effectively.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
This is very common in linear games.
This is what people have a hard time understanding.
I'm literally walking through areas in Gears 5 and you have to clear out enemies in before moving to the next destination. Most of the time, all you're really doing is taking cover and firing your weapon, but in Last of Us, you more ways to take out enemies. This could either be by shooting, melee combat or stealth.
Gears does have melee combat, but it's no where near as deep as TLOU.
The interactive movie argument makes no sense. It just shows either that people don't really play many games or they're just finding reason to hate Sony games.
Humdinger
Gold Member
I like the cinematic qualities of Sony games. I think people like Kojima can overdo it, but for the vast majority of Sony titles, I think the cinematics add to the game. I'm big on story and characters. Other people don't care about that stuff, and that's fine. Everyone is different. Personally, I've always valued story, characters, and dialog a lot. If you took all that out of the Sony games I've loved in the past, they would be much poorer. We'd essentially lose all the characters and all the story, just be left with fighting, collecting, and exploring. That's fine if that's all you want, but I want more in a game.
TUROK
Member
Meanwhile in the gameplay footage there's a giant fucking laser pointing at Nathan Drake.
Maybe that was too subtle.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
There were like 5 of them, and they were far from the only near insta-death at any given point in time. At that point, the warning indicators become meaningless.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Thanks for reminding me, I still have a brand new sealed copy of Resistance 3 I got off of eBay for $12 shipped a couple of weeks back.
Gotta pop that bad boy in soon, and finally play it for the first time.
SlashBringingHasher
Banned
they kinda are tho. I have owned every playstation since PS1. most of you can't say that. every game after last of us has about 70% of naughty dog formula in it. fuck that.
TUROK
Member
Meaningless eh? Hm, someone should have told me that before I used all these indicators to help me eventually beat this section (and the game) on Crushing.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
I don't want to give in my thoughts if the only responses would be emotional answers that come out from these rants.
Even then, what's so wrong with games being called "movies"? Aren't we always tend to overgeneralize everything due to how much our brain got lazy, only focusing on the strong points? Also giving an example of a car game to alleviate the stigma, lol come on. Sony games doesn't have to mean ALL Sony games, just like how Ninty games are for kiddies.
Sony games got called out much often is because they market their games a whole lot on their story departments, strikingly similar to a movie trailer, they must sell on the story and adventure. Every time I saw it, I'll be thinking of investing on a new movie lol. Well, I'll be generous and would call it "interactive movies" for once.
Gonna post a less troll, constructive post next time if I feel like it. Would have to bait first and wait.
I gave multiple examples, not just racing. RPGs also market themselves on story, don't endure the same crap.
Most games do, though. Also not sure in what way it's detrimental, the main games people point out as being like movies have amazing gameplay that outdoes their peers.
Sounds like someone needs their hand held? You're supposed to move when you get outflanked or cover deteriorates. He's showing you a late game area, the game progresses in such a way as to help you learn which enemies are most dangerous before throwing all sorts at you at the same time. These are honestly some ridiculous comments, if it was communicated poorly we wouldn't be doing well in our linked videos, maybe to a third party watcher seeing the game play section out of context it's confusing but that's also not how a game was played. The point of the clips is to show off how fluid and dynamic the game play is when playing at harder difficulties and playing well on those difficulties.
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Verdanth
Member
I dont mind my games to be full of cutscenes, as far as the narrative and casting are good.
I actually need a balance between this and a good gameplay formula.
For me, for a game to truly work, the balance between these two must exist.
No wonder Ryu Ga Gotoku is my favourite studio
I actually need a balance between this and a good gameplay formula.
For me, for a game to truly work, the balance between these two must exist.
No wonder Ryu Ga Gotoku is my favourite studio
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Mods can't save you from his wrath Konami.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Tell me.. What other triple A developers are doing differently than Sony games?
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Ian Henry
Member
There should always be a balance between narrative and gameplay. No matter what.I dont mind my games to be full of cutscenes, as far as the narrative and casting are good.
I actually need a balance between this and a good gameplay formula.
For me, for a game to truly work, the balance between these two must exist.
No wonder Ryu Ga Gotoku is my favourite studio
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Hobbygaming
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This. I see inspiration in Gears 5 from some of my favorite games
FranXico
Member
And the true irony is that Coalition developers themselves have admitted to be inspired by God Of War's level design (not just the cinematic tone!).
Not bad for an "interactive movie".
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Lionel Richie
Member
This is perfectly how I feel about this too. Sony has a very distinct direction with their first-party studios, but it works out really well excluding some mishaps. There's a nice balance to be had in gaming, you get many different options to what you want in your games. Sony does high production value like nobody else, so just portraying what could be perceived as their weakness instead of praising the good stuff is disingenuous.
Edit: that being said, if I have to endure the Naughty Dog special of walking in the snow while being sad in Ghost Of Sushi I'll fucking RIOT and cancel the PS5. Don't you dare doing that to my Sucker Punch.
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HeresJohnny
Member
It would seem, then, that the public favors interactive movies by a ratio of around 2.5:1
MayauMiao
Member
I'm actually doing the Picard facepalm reading that.
Lionel Richie
Member
TLW wasn't banned, we're just being shielded from his awesomeness lest it blind our simpleton homo sapiens eyes.
HeresJohnny
Member
Hell with that, that shit deserves the stank eye.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Isn't that the truth?
Lionel Richie
Member
Isn't that the truth?
I feel like it's our duty to shitpost away to keep this thread afloat until the 17th. It's like we'd be raising our hands sending out energy for him to deliver the Genki Dama of angry insanity.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He’s gonna trigger so many reflections.
bitbydeath
Member
They serve a purpose for hiding load times which won’t be a problem next-gen.
Will be interesting if this dramatically changes these types of games as we know them today.
Will be interesting if this dramatically changes these types of games as we know them today.
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Dontspeakforme
Banned
The climbing/walking simulator aspect of their games is more of an issue than their movie-like presentation. Uncharted 4 didn’t suck because it was cinematic, it sucked because half the game you’re climbing around.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Imagine actually liking the climbing bits, though, because I did. Especially since 4 incorporated climbing into the combat moreso than prior entries.
-Arcadia-
Banned
OP is right when he says it isn’t a Sony-exclusive problem.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy a good, interactive story, but I find the general strength of the medium to be in delivering fun, interesting experiences throughout a game.
As such, the modern priorities of games seem all wrong to me. These people seem genuinely more interested in delivering a Hollywood-type experience, rather than playing to the strengths of the medium, and immersing or delighting players. Gameplay seems to be an almost secondary concern.
One of my favorite games of the generation is the RE2 remake. You know why? It didn’t tell me the world was scary, through cutscenes dispersed inbetween mediocre, cookie-cutter gameplay. It made me feel that fear, every terrifying moment, with brilliant, immersive, and fun gameplay.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy a good, interactive story, but I find the general strength of the medium to be in delivering fun, interesting experiences throughout a game.
As such, the modern priorities of games seem all wrong to me. These people seem genuinely more interested in delivering a Hollywood-type experience, rather than playing to the strengths of the medium, and immersing or delighting players. Gameplay seems to be an almost secondary concern.
One of my favorite games of the generation is the RE2 remake. You know why? It didn’t tell me the world was scary, through cutscenes dispersed inbetween mediocre, cookie-cutter gameplay. It made me feel that fear, every terrifying moment, with brilliant, immersive, and fun gameplay.
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