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[M1chl]

See people as you everytime blame the other about the fanboy mentality it's definitely something else. It needs courage.

And confidence, while lacking the perspective.

 

[Nyxir]

 

[Snake29]

i am (also) a musician... and I translating a term from my language now I'll try to translate it better.
audio "mastering" ..is done in recording studios on specials (and expansive) flat speakers ...not headphones which are used to increase isolation in recording or mastering and not to "hear better"
Tempest audio do really nothing that Xbox can't do aside from having a cool name

And Dolby Atmos is just another cool name for 3D audio, So Dolby Atmos audio do really nothing that PS5 can't do aside from having a cool name.

 

[Team Andromeda]

RE8 sounds incredible with Tempest 3D audio.

I think its sounds better on the Xbox headset myself. The SONY model is too quite

 

[Panajev2001a]

There is no magic in 3D audio, Tempest, Dolby, DTS X. No solution I've ever tried comes close to creating the open sound field that a good surround sound system will give you. 3D audio is a clever attempt to mimic surround but it's a poor substitute for a real system.

If you don't have access to a surround system then this maybe a good workaround, but that's all it is.

No it is not, I do have access to a decent surround sound system, but they do not give you the immersive experience 3D audio + headphones give you.

3D audio is far far more than mimicking surround sound speakers. You are thinking of old ass virtual surround sound for headphones, I am thinking about 3D sound for VR experiences.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Can we get a dedicated thread for all these PS5 technical issues? It’s clogging up the board and creating console wars

 

[kikii]

Lmfao
When you get or if you get ps5 try demons and returnal. You will see the light

oh yeah Returnal audio with Pulse is smt so weirdo , dont have Demon's Souls yet as im noob with souls games also on Returnal ^^

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

I have the Audeze Penrose headset for XBSX, they sound incredible.

I have the Pulse 3D headset for PS5. These don’t sound as good as the Penrose.

The best audio I’ve heard to date is on Returnal.
The sound engineers have done an incredible job at Housemarque.

Not tried RE8 yet with headphones. It’s too damn scary as is .

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Was looking toward to checking out the latest sniper ghost warrior game but it’s been delayed on ps5 due to “technical issues”



anyone that hasn’t played it it’s a very underrated series

Another garbage studio?

 

[SLB1904]

Are you claiming better 3D Audio on PS5? As that has not been shown to be the case.

Yes. There is mo game that sound better than demons souls and returnal. Easy

 

[SatansReverence]

Some of you are gullible as hell

 

[Schmick]

Mmm really? Because looking at the post history of the OP doubt he has any kinda of interest about technical issue on ps5 but call me malicious

Right so... you have identified the OP as a troll? Yet we are still seeing the debate on audio going on and on and on.... you guys/girls need to learn to stop.

 

[Md Ray]

What engine is this using?

 

[GuinGuin]

I think its sounds better on the Xbox headset myself. The SONY model is too quite

Why do so many people pretend they bought the same game twice on different systems?

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

Yes. There is mo game that sound better than demons souls and returnal. Easy

This is true at the moment from my experience anyway. Not tried RE8 3D audio yet mind….

 

[Team Andromeda]

I have the Audeze Penrose headset for XBSX, they sound incredible.

I have the Pulse 3D headset for PS5. These don’t sound as good as the Penrose.

The best audio I’ve heard to date is on Returnal.
The sound engineers have done an incredible job at Housemarque.

Not tried RE8 yet with headphones. It’s too damn scary as is .

I just find the pulse headset too quite and the base not as good as the Xbox headset

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

Another garbage studio?

We’ll they’ve taken the correct course of action. Delay, fix, release.
That’s how it should be done.

 

[laynelane]

It's cool that they're giving free DLC out to everyone on all platforms as compensation. A nice gesture, for sure.

Oops, went a bit off-topic there. Back to sound, headsets, etc.

 

[sinnergy]

The tools are made unready for next-next gen

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

I just find the pulse headset too quite and the base not as good as the Xbox headset

You’d be right. The Penrose destroys the Pulse3D.
I have the Xbox headset for my daughter. Not borrowed it yet to compare and test.

 

[skakmk]

So, when is the next MS exclusive releasing? Oh wait......



I have been a proponent of gamepass and xbox this gen, but I don't dig sh*tting on PS5 for having slight downgrades/issues in mostly mundane or old games.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

hopefully this wakes Sony up for PS6 BC compatibility, they cant screw up again.

They didn't screw up, nearly all games run fine on PS5 in BC. Microsoft simply has a better system.

I think the better explanation would be _ the games run fine on PS5 BC, the devs are probably having issues with the work to take advantage of the PS5 hardware: the 'enhanced BC' mode.

The sound argument always cracks me up considering the PS5 doesn’t support Atmos surround speakers for games. So the argument is that a virtual surround solution like Tempest is somehow better than a true, physical surround (with actual speakers positioned behind you) because Sony magic.

There is no magic in 3D audio, Tempest, Dolby, DTS X. No solution I've ever tried comes close to creating the open sound field that a good surround sound system will give you. 3D audio is a clever attempt to mimic surround but it's a poor substitute for a real system.

If you don't have access to a surround system then this maybe a good workaround, but that's all it is.

What the fuck are you guys talking about and pretending to know what you talking about?
3D sound works in surround sound systems too, that is known since the beginning (and is the recommended/best experience)!
It also works on any headphones (some are recommended) and will work on tv speakers _ these particular features were more talked about, because of bringing 3D surround sound to the people who can't afford the expensive hardware solutions.
Of course it will always be the inferior experience _ the virtual 3D.

 

[Goalus]

There is ps5 3d audio and there are the others

Indeed. They provide a DIY solution with all its shortcomings, while the others just work.

 

[Schmick]

So, when is the next MS exclusive releasing? Oh wait......



I have been a proponent of gamepass and xbox this gen, but I don't dig sh*tting on PS5 for having slight downgrades/issues in mostly mundane or old games.

Summer 2021 hopefully.

 

[Redlight]

No it is not, I do have access to a decent surround sound system, but they do not give you the immersive experience 3D audio + headphones give you.

3D audio is far far more than mimicking surround sound speakers. You are thinking of old ass virtual surround sound for headphones, I am thinking about 3D sound for VR experiences.

You're the only one talking about VR. How many people have used Tempest audio with VR?

'Old ass virtual surround sound for headphones'. You've really bought into the hype haven't you? 3D audio is virtual surround. It attempts to mimic the effect of multiple sound sources coming from the environment surrounding you, virtually. It's 'new ass virtual surround sound for headphones'.

Windows Sonic, Tempest, Dolby and DTS for headphones are all doing the exact same thing. 'Tempest' isn't anything revolutionary. Also, none of these systems beat a good quality actual surround sound system.

 

[GuinGuin]

You're the only one talking about VR. How many people have used Tempest audio with VR?

'Old ass virtual surround sound for headphones'. You've really bought into the hype haven't you? 3D audio is virtual surround. It attempts to mimic the effect of multiple sound sources coming from the environment surrounding you, virtually. It's 'new ass virtual surround sound for headphones'.

Windows Sonic, Tempest, Dolby and DTS for headphones are all doing the exact same thing. 'Tempest' isn't anything revolutionary. Also, none of these systems beat a good quality actual surround sound system.

You're incorrect. Tempest can use far more independent moving sources.

 

[Redlight]

What the fuck are you guys talking about and pretending to know what you talking about?
3D sound works in surround sound systems too, that is known since the beginning (and is the recommended/best experience)!
It also works on any headphones (some are recommended) and will work on tv speakers _ these particular features were more talked about, because of bringing 3D surround sound to the people who can't afford the expensive hardware solutions.
Of course it will always be the inferior experience _ the virtual 3D.

The bolded is delusional. I don't care what tech you use you will never get convincing, or even passable, surround sound from TV speakers or a sound bar (which often make insane and false claims about 'cinema like surround').

BTW, which home theatre amps support Tempest?

 

[Redlight]

You're incorrect. Tempest can use far more independent moving sources.

"Dolby Atmos can support hundreds of simultaneous objects."
"restraint should be shown with respect to the number of objects active at any time. Too many objects in motion can create a confusing soundscape."

Dolby Atmos Can Also Support Hundreds of Objects Like PS5's Tempest Audio Engine, Says Dolby

Dolby Laboratories clarified that its Dolby Atmos spatial audio technology also supports hundreds of objects like PS5's Tempest engine.

wccftech.com

 

[Negotiator101]

See people as you everytime blame the other about the fanboy mentality it's definitely something else. It needs courage.

When someone is 100% wrong regarding hardware superiority, then it's either an unhealthy attachment to a company or machine or just plain ignorance. What has courage got to do with this?

 

[GuinGuin]

"Dolby Atmos can support hundreds of simultaneous objects."
"restraint should be shown with respect to the number of objects active at any time. Too many objects in motion can create a confusing soundscape."

Dolby Atmos Can Also Support Hundreds of Objects Like PS5's Tempest Audio Engine, Says Dolby

Dolby Laboratories clarified that its Dolby Atmos spatial audio technology also supports hundreds of objects like PS5's Tempest engine.

wccftech.com

Those are static objects. Not the same thing at all.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Well this thread turned to shit.

 

[Chukhopops]

I think the better explanation would be _ the games run fine on PS5 BC, the devs are probably having issues with the work to take advantage of the PS5 hardware: the 'enhanced BC' mode.




What the fuck are you guys talking about and pretending to know what you talking about?
3D sound works in surround sound systems too, that is known since the beginning (and is the recommended/best experience)!
It also works on any headphones (some are recommended) and will work on tv speakers _ these particular features were more talked about, because of bringing 3D surround sound to the people who can't afford the expensive hardware solutions.
Of course it will always be the inferior experience _ the virtual 3D.

Except Tempest Audio does not work with 5.1 surround systems as far as I know, do you have a source somewhere? Last I checked it wasn’t available.

It also doesn’t work on TV speakers yet, unless it was patched since launch.

But I agree with you that virtual surround is inferior to physical surround since it’s obvious.

 

[xrnzaaas]

It's a shitty series from shitty devs, no surprises there. At least they didn't try to launch a broken product at all costs.

 

[onesvenus]

I do have access to a decent surround sound system, but they do not give you the immersive experience 3D audio + headphones give you.

To be fair, that immersion really goes away when you move your head. Headsets provide you with relative-to-the-headset positional audio, surround systems provide you with absolute positional audio.

With VR head-tracking you can account for that but for the moment, hearing a voice that's behind you loses all it's effect when you turn back. That doesn't happen with a surround sound.
In addition, headsets assume you are directly in front and perpendicular to the screen. When that's not the case, the positional audio effects make no sense when compared with what you are viewing.

So yeah, everything has its pro's and cons. Claiming one is better than the other in absolute terms, like what has been done in this thread, is naive.

 

[captainraincoat]

Just to understand what's exactly the point of this thread? We are trying to argue now is problematic to develop on ps5? What another technical issue should means? I'm curious.

It was actually a game series I have a bit of a guilty pleasure for and I was looking forward to playing it on my ps5 with all the enhancements but I’m probably now gonna be getting it on series x

biomutant was another one that peaked my interests as well and that also had the line about technical issues which is extremely vague and a little weird considering they probably had dev kits before the series x ones

also chiming in on the audio stuff…..atmos is a much better system providing you have the setup

 

[SoloKingRobert]

"Dolby Atmos can support hundreds of simultaneous objects."
"restraint should be shown with respect to the number of objects active at any time. Too many objects in motion can create a confusing soundscape."

Dolby Atmos Can Also Support Hundreds of Objects Like PS5's Tempest Audio Engine, Says Dolby

Dolby Laboratories clarified that its Dolby Atmos spatial audio technology also supports hundreds of objects like PS5's Tempest engine.

wccftech.com

Mark Cerny falsely claimed Dolby Atmos only handles 32 objects maximum, during Sony's Road to PS5 Presentation.

Dolby Atmos Pushes Back Against Mark Cerny PS5 Audio Claims

Mark Cerny makes claims about Dolby Atmos's technology during Sony's Road to PS5 event and the company responds.

gamerant.com

"It is not correct that Dolby Atmos handles 32 objects maximum. As a technology, Dolby Atmos can support hundreds of objects simultaneously. Having said that, we refer to some advice from game developers who have already created content with Atmos support: objects are fantastic tools, but you should use them sparingly as regards their number in activity within the same scene. Too many moving objects can create a confusing sound environment."

 

[II_JumPeR_I]

What is with all the xbox fans down playing 3d audio in a thread that has nothing to do with that? Anyone who is "concerned" about audio/games being delayed should look at what games have released for both consoles .

Xbox players can also use 3d audio..
Nobody is downplaying anything.
Its just kids here who dont know shit about audio tech and rathet hype up PR buzzwords their favorit console maker gave away.
Gaf has really become a terrible place to discuss games. It vomes down to framerate cock fighting and parroting stupid pr buzzwords.

 

[Schmick]

Summer 2021 hopefully.

What's funny S skakmk

 

[captainraincoat]

Another garbage studio?

The game series is not everyone’s cup of tea but if you enjoyed the sniper elite games then you would like this…would not call them a garbage studio

 

[SLB1904]

na. it doesn't do anything that can't exactly being done on Xbox
probably is the opposite true

The only thing xbox does better than ps5 is the gpu. everything else ps5 is better and is not close.

 

[MonarchJT]

The only thing xbox does better than ps5 is the gpu. everything else ps5 is better and is not close.

GPU in addition to cpu/bw/bc sure.. you have clearly not idea of what you talking about . is not worth to continue this topic then..better you go back drinking of some cerny magic

 

[Renozokii]

Can we get a dedicated thread for all these PS5 technical issues? It’s clogging up the board and creating console wars

It’s two, both by small devs, one releasing a no native ps5 port having game 7 months into a new gen and another having the first case of audio issues delaying a game I think I’ve ever seen.

 

[SLB1904]

GPU in addition to cpu/bw/bc sure.. you have clearly not idea of what you talking about . is not worth to continue this topic then..better you go back drinking of some cerny magic

What's bw? And bc?

 

[ManaByte]

Tempest 3D audio is basically Sony's version of Windows Sonic, meaning it's a 3D audio tech they created to avoid paying the license fee to Dolby for Atmos. You get what you pay for because Atmos for Headphones does sound better (but you need to pay a one-time fee for that).

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

It’s two, both by small devs, one releasing a no native ps5 port having game 7 months into a new gen and another having the first case of audio issues delaying a game I think I’ve ever seen.

First time you’ve seen it? Sounds like it might be more serious than I thought ...

 

[MonarchJT]

What's bw? And bc?

bandwidth and backward compatibility which obviously derives from the virtualization of the operating system ... something for which the Xbox One was derided (which started the journey) and which now compared to the limitations and problems that Sony has encountered in the emulation of bc games of the PS5 demonstrates its advantages especially if one still thinks about the future. But I could also add storage since Sony hasn't even activated the expansion slot yet for I don't know what problems.

let's say it on the contrary that maybe it's better, the only objective advantage that the PS5 has its xsx is the ssd

 

[Agent_Nobody]

What does 3D audio have to do with this topic exactly? Is that why the game was delayed?

 

[assurdum]

Right so... you have identified the OP as a troll? Yet we are still seeing the debate on audio going on and on and on.... you guys/girls need to learn to stop.

Again can you delight me what's the first intent of this thread? Because the OP is notorious to make war about ps5, now you are trying to convince me this thread is purely informative? Mmm.

 

[SLB1904]

bandwidth and backward compatibility which obviously derives from the virtualization of the operating system ... something for which the Xbox One was derided (which started the journey) and which now compared to the limitations and problems that Sony has encountered in the development of the PS5 demonstrates its advantages especially if one still thinks about the future. But I could also add storage since Sony hasn't even activated the expansion slot yet for I don't know what problems.

You are hilarious.
Moving goalposts like a champ.
According to google There are 2751 games available on xbox and 3209 on ps4. Which makes the ps5 with more backwards compatible games. Which weird because this has nothing to do with the argument. I guess losing isnt an option for you

 

[Dr.Morris79]

What does 3D audio have to do with this topic exactly?

What does your post have to do with E'peen willy waving about which out of stock console is better? Eh? EH?