StreetsofBeige
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On the plus side, PS5's development delay is leading to free DLC for all. If all devs offered this. We'd get a generation where all DLC is free for every game!
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PS5 version of Sniper Contracts 2 delayed due to technical issues (featuring 3D audio derail).
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Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Um no
They say this
"While 3D audio is confined to PS5, both the PS5 and Xbox Series X versions of the game utilize ray tracing and HDR - though you need a TV that supports the latter. We found that, even without an HDR TV, Village looked stunning - so those without won’t miss out massively."
Which isn't true. Pretty sure they just read the re8 bullet points for ps5 and are dumb.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
This might be a record. A total thread derailment to get gamers to ignore the thread topic started on POST #3. And post #1 was the OP post.
This can only be beat if another thread gets derailed on the first reply.
Md Ray
Member
Which games?
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Avengers
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Getting back on topic, what probably happened is the dev wants to make a PS5 version that improves on things beyond the usual gimped PS BC. But its crappy BC makes it so the dev team has to waste time doing a better boosted PS5 game.
On the other hand, Xbox Series X and S(!) are ready to go. And so is PC.
On the other hand, Xbox Series X and S(!) are ready to go. And so is PC.
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CeeJay
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The bc implementation is superior because it can use the full Series X hardware to make a lot of those older games look better and play smoother. Also, you didn't take into account the library of X360 and OG Xbox games available that are also upgraded over the original versions on a lot of cases. I don't see how any objective person can argue the PS5 bc solution is better than the Xbox.
MasterCornholio
Member
They are still wasting their time making current gen versions of the game. I guess they are doing that because native versions allow them to better use the hardware.
Not disagreeing with your point about BC on the PS5. It works well but it's basic.
Negotiator101
Member
This guy is grasping at straws, I think he's having a laugh to be honest.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Its actually a good effort by the dev.
Chances are good if this is strictly a game where PS5/X are just BC boosted games, X will win easy. But if the dev is willing to spend extra time to make a dedicated PS5 version (assuming thats what they are doing), then the X and PS5 games will basically be the same.
Other devs have taken the easy route of launching cross gen games and relying on each systems default BC boost abilities, and then dusting off their hands as job done.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Please do elaborate.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Yeah he's pretty much just a troll I think
It's been multiple times. Don't start it again
Blond
Banned
I can personally attest that 3D audio on the PS5 is probably the only one I can say feels 3D. Playing Black OPs with it feels like borderline cheating.
Md Ray
Member
You say that other games have "greater loading improvements than spider man" when in actual fact both Avengers and Spider-Man literally have the same magnitude of loading improvements from PS4 to PS5.
A near -100% reduction in load times is so freaking massive. You don't see this kind of load time reduction/improvement of this magnitude on competing platforms (PC/Xbox), certainly not on PC.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
No it hasn't
assurdum
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So me it's the warriors because I asking clarification about the title argument. Mmm. I'm not want to be convinced. I just asking what other game has been delayed for technical reasons on ps5 which the title talking about? Because I could swear to haven't found anything in the OP and the pages which follow.
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ethomaz
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Nope.
You can call implementation or whatever... the point is still the same it was a dumb example because PS5 version of Resident Evil 8 has the best audio of all versions including Series X and PC.
I can share more reviews saying the same but you already denied two clear ones so you will probably deny the the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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You can't be this ignorant!This is trolling
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SpongebobSquaredance
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I remember the first Sniper Ghost Warrior. Probably one of the worst games I've ever played.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Biomutant. Currently 1080/60 on PS5. The real PS5 patched version is coming later. Just like Biomutant, Sniper Contracts can still be played on PS5.
MasterCornholio
Member
Actually I think the plan is to create native versions for both. It's why they said they would confirm current gen plans at a later date.
I read my previous comment and I can see how it could be interpreted wrong.
Darlingcognito
Member
Do they even know how to create a save feature bro?
Where's the one Mass effect legendary?
You say that other games have "greater loading improvements than spider man" when in actual fact both Avengers and Spider-Man literally have the same magnitude of loading improvements from PS4 to PS5.
A near -100% reduction in load times is so freaking massive. You don't see this kind of load time reduction/improvement of this magnitude on competing platforms (PC/Xbox), certainly not on PC.
Where's the one Mass effect legendary?
assurdum
Banned
The hell it has to do the tempest engine about the Sony audio on home theater? Are you for real now? This comparison it's a total nonsense. And Dolby another league based on what? Lol. Developers barely started to scracth it on ps5 and you are already established is inferior. Man, I'm tired all those supposed experts about everything in the VG forum.
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Mr Moose
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There is no native Mass Effect version.Where's the one Mass effect legendary?
Something something Betamax vs VHS.
Just because one was widely adopted and the other wasn't, doesn't make it superior. (No clue about which is superior with DTS vs SDDS but it just means one was adopted, the other not, apparently more expensive to implement the latter).
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Md Ray
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Mass Effect LE runs in BC PS4 mode. SM and Avengers are native PS5 apps.Do they even know how to create a save feature bro?
Where's the one Mass effect legendary?
You really thought you were being a smartass, didn't you?
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MasterCornholio
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Whether it's native or not makes a big difference in I/O peformance. At least that's what I've noticed with Spiderman on the PS5 when you compare the BC version with the native one on the PS5.
Werewolfgrandma
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Avengers is higher. Check some more sources. Also Xbox series avenger is a bigger % as well.You say that other games have "greater loading improvements than spider man" when in actual fact both Avengers and Spider-Man literally have the same magnitude of loading improvements from PS4 to PS5.
A near -100% reduction in load times is so freaking massive. You don't see this kind of load time reduction/improvement of this magnitude on competing platforms (PC/Xbox), certainly not on PC.
They don't compare the 2 or even mention Xbox or PC with regards to audio and the one time they do it's false information. Get out of here with your bullshit.
Are you high?
ManaByte
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Do you even have a PS5 with a Pulse 3D headset and a Xbox/PC with Dolby Atmos for Headphones to compare the two? I use both.
assurdum
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So because you heard a couple of games we can already established is inferior? I thought new tech need time to be used properly. And let's no forget it's just your impression. I could swear to have read another user claim the opposite for what could count
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ethomaz
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Another one.
“This is the Resident Evil Village demo with Dolby Atmos HRTF. In a nice surprise, it seems Capcom have once again provided PC gamers the option of binaural audio. Activating the option in the menu by itself does nothing; you have to specify which HRTF you want in Window's Spatial Sound tab unlike RE2 which automatically turned that on for you.
I'm going to be upfront: if this is what AAA game devs think 3D audio is supposed to sound like, then it's no wonder why they don't bother implementing it in all their games.
The soundstage is ridiculously squashed, to the point where it's very hard to discern front sounds from rear sounds. It's not a "glorified crossfeed filter" like the PS5 footage I've seen, but to call this audio "immersive" would be an insult to 3D audio.”
So stop trolling.
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ManaByte
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You didn't answer the question. Have you used both? You seem to be on a crusade for Tempest 3D but without a frame of reference.
StreetsofBeige
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Great job Sony fans.
You successfully turned a thread about Sniper Contracts being delayed for PS5 due to technical issues into a thread about Tempest 3D Audio vs Dolby.
Got to protect the brand!
You could tell the guy in Post #3 derailed it on purpose. If you check his post history, he's a total Sony fan. And what he did was shotgun a ton of PS5 features in his post hoping one of them would stick and derail the thread. In which audio was the thing that stuck.
Got to give props for derailing skills.
You successfully turned a thread about Sniper Contracts being delayed for PS5 due to technical issues into a thread about Tempest 3D Audio vs Dolby.
Got to protect the brand!
You could tell the guy in Post #3 derailed it on purpose. If you check his post history, he's a total Sony fan. And what he did was shotgun a ton of PS5 features in his post hoping one of them would stick and derail the thread. In which audio was the thing that stuck.
Got to give props for derailing skills.
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LordBlodgett
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It is WILD that this thread got derailed so hard, so quickly. Name a better pair than console warriors and all the free time of a weekend....
assurdum
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What crusade? Lol. It's you who has claimed Tempest 3D is inferior not me and just because your ears seems to be the more accurate tools to establish it. Can I say I find ridiculous such statement? Especially considered Tempest 3D is in an early stage compared the Dolby.
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ManaByte
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Answer the question, have you used Tempest 3D on the PS5 compared to Dolby Atmos for Headphones?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Keep it going
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
You realize he's not saying anything good about ps5 right. Again I'm not saying ps5 is worse like you are saying everything else is. I'm saying it's not better.
assurdum
Banned
Answer you to my question: based on what you can say Tempest 3d is an inferior tech? I haven't affirmed anything as you. From what I knew they were quite comparable, can't care less how it sound in your headphones.
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ethomaz
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Man you are really trolling.
He was clear about the point... PS5 3D Audio in RE8 is superior to what you have in PC.
That is what you are in denial even after several sources.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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I have and overall like XSX/Atmos better but there is not enough 3D audio support to compare.
ManaByte
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RE8's spatial audio is bad overall. I don't think it's a good game to compare either format with.
I already told you that I use both. I have a Pulse 3D headset for my PS5 and I've played just about everything with it and I use Dolby Atmos for Headphones on both PC and Xbox. Tempest sounds more like Windows Sonic than Dolby Atmos. But I kept asking you if you've actually used both in order to make your definitive statement about how revolutionary Tempest 3D is and you kept dodging the question as if you don't even have a PS5 and have no frame of reference for your championing of Tempest 3D.
Mr Moose
Member
Yeah thread needs to get back on track, would be helpful if we knew what the issue is, has the devs spoken any more about it?
Otherwise all we can really say is "well, that sucks" and move on.
Both consoles have great sound but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand (unless they say otherwise).
twilo99
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The message was that they "believe in generations" which implies that older games would always be second grade citizens on the platform.
assurdum
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Just to be clear. I never affirmed Tempest sound better or whatever. I just don't understand how we can establish it's inferior when it's relative younger compared Atmos. Doubt developers already know how to use Tempest optimally as Atmos.
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Md Ray
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Literally the same on both. In fact, SM had a larger -95% reduction (44 secs to 2 secs) from another source.
You won't see loading time improvements upwards of -90% from Xbox One to Xbox Series.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The chances of the dev saying what the issue is has a 0% probability. It'll all be guesswork by gamers.
The dev coming out and telling gamers about an issue and giving free DLC is more than 99% devs do.
Most devs would never give free content (to all too!) and if they ran into this situation, they'd just release everything June 4 and not talk about an improved PS5 version coming later until after the game launched and were pestered by gamers why the game playing on PS5 is barely better than PS4.
So their transparency is good.
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assurdum
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I said Tempest it's revolutionary? Really? I said it's early to establish if it's inferior. Thanks to God you are a genuinely enthusiastic gamers without preconceptions when we talked about ps5 and the new tech inside, right?
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ManaByte
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Why are you still dodging the question?
assurdum
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Because I know people like you. Now let me say to you I think Atmos sound better actually. What changes?