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ROG ALLY has 8TF performance in boost mode. Pricing aiming under $1000. Launches may 11 with 3 months of gamepass
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DenchDeckard
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My only issue is it looks quite cheap and it feels cheaper than the steamdeck but it is considerably sleeker.
Tams
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Just because you don't want it, doesn't make it not a desired feature.
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Just another tease as to what Sony or Microsoft could do with their resources and relationship with AMD. Battery life remains the draw back.
I assume steam can be installed. All these devices are great for increasing the PC market, Valve and Microsoft can feed off the microtransactions.
I assume steam can be installed. All these devices are great for increasing the PC market, Valve and Microsoft can feed off the microtransactions.
rnlval
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PC laptops outselling Switch.
Tams
Member
It comes with Windows... of course you'll be able to.
Silver Wattle
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The standard z1 ally is poor value, massively weaker SoC, half the SSD size and you only save $100.
It's actually less than half of that.
Baki
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256 bit bus would lead to 200gb/s bandwidth for lp ram. That’s what Apple did with M1 Pro. It’s just expensive.
rnlval
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AMD's Z1 Extreme APU runs into memory bandwidth limitations.
For Z1 APU
Using wave64 and wave32 instruction set support, RDNA 3 4 CU at estimated 2800 Mhz yields about 1,433.6 GFLOPS or 1.433 TFLOPS.
Using wave32-only instruction set support, RDNA 3 4 CU at estimated 2800 Mhz yields about 2,867.2 GFLOPS or 2.867 TFLOPS.
Steamdeck APU has 1.6 TFLOPS with RDNA 2 8 CU.
For Z1 Extreme's 8 TFLOPS wave32 instruction set with RDNA 3 12 CU, it would need about 2600 Mhz clock speed. Higher TFLOPS benefits complex shaders programs.
Silver Wattle
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My post was about the extreme being a much better buy for only $100 more(almost 2x perf in some games), your post says nothing about pricing.
AMD's Z1 Extreme APU runs into memory bandwidth limitations.
For Z1 APU
Using wave64 and wave32 instruction set support, RDNA 3 4 CU at estimated 2800 Mhz yields about 1,433.6 GFLOPS or 1.433 TFLOPS.
Using wave32-only instruction set support, RDNA 3 4 CU at estimated 2800 Mhz yields about 2,867.2 GFLOPS or 2.867 TFLOPS.
Steamdeck APU has 1.6 TFLOPS with RDNA 2 8 CU.
For Z1 Extreme's 8 TFLOPS wave32 instruction set with RDNA 3 12 CU, it would need about 2600 Mhz clock speed. Higher TFLOPS benefits complex shaders programs.
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ChuckeRearmed
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I am still wondering if 1080p is worth it here.
AMD's Z1 Extreme APU runs into memory bandwidth limitations.
For Z1 APU
Using wave64 and wave32 instruction set support, RDNA 3 4 CU at estimated 2800 Mhz yields about 1,433.6 GFLOPS or 1.433 TFLOPS.
Using wave32-only instruction set support, RDNA 3 4 CU at estimated 2800 Mhz yields about 2,867.2 GFLOPS or 2.867 TFLOPS.
Steamdeck APU has 1.6 TFLOPS with RDNA 2 8 CU.
For Z1 Extreme's 8 TFLOPS wave32 instruction set with RDNA 3 12 CU, it would need about 2600 Mhz clock speed. Higher TFLOPS benefits complex shaders programs.
FingerBang
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You can reduce the resolution to 900p and still play it on the go. But it's also enough to connect that to a TV and have some decent performance at a standard resolution.
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Maybe get 15 minutes of "playtime" for that. Which is 12 mins longer than I would need.
ToTTenTranz
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I think the point was that the regular Z1 will still be substantially faster than the Steam Deck because its GPU is still faster (which I don't think it's true because the compiler still doesn't support the double-pumped ALUs properly AFAIK) and the Z1 Extreme is very bandwidth limited, at least for 1080p workloads.
I do agree with your statement that the regular Z1 seems to exist mostly to upsell the Extreme version. It should still be interesting for the people who strictly want to emulate consoles up to the Switch, as CPU performance might be immensely better (especially if one disables hyperthreading).
From Asus' own performance numbers it looks like many games actually perform very similarly between the Z1 and Z1 Extreme, but those are probably CPU and/or bandwidth-bound scenarios.
Unfortunately, the bandwidth limitations will probably make this run much better on 720p, but nowadays with the temporal upscalers we can just render at 720p and make it look awesome at 1080p anyways. And that would tax the memory bandwidth a lot less.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
fran.fernandez
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I want one but I know I won’t use it.
They are tooo big to play around , the battery life is also awful. If I want to play at home i would definitely go to my living with big scream oled and atmos sound.
I would definitely use it as pc if possible .
They are tooo big to play around , the battery life is also awful. If I want to play at home i would definitely go to my living with big scream oled and atmos sound.
I would definitely use it as pc if possible .
TVexperto
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I thought they wanted to compete with steamdeck??
ToTTenTranz
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Even with an extreme 25% VAT we should be looking at 680€, given the current exchange rate. 800€ is $880, 47% more than the $599.
Unless the EU model is coming with a 2TB drive and 32GB RAM, I don't see this as reasonable at all.
ChuckeRearmed
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Damn 800 euro. I expected 749 at best. There is no such big difference EU/USD to justify +100 in price in comparison to 699.
Onironauta
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The Z1 Extreme model is supposed to be $699/€800.
$599 should be for the weaker model.
Onironauta
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EU prices include VAT, US ones don't (it's 0% in some states). Here in Italy we pay 24% VAT on electronics.
IFireflyl
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Apparently when you purchase this you also get three months of Game Pass Ultimate.
Source: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/a...e-specs-and-stock-notifications/1100-6513303/
Source: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/a...e-specs-and-stock-notifications/1100-6513303/
DenchDeckard
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It's 699 in the UK so not sure how that euro pricing has happened. Unless somethings changed within the last week.
TVexperto
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source?
FearlessBelgian
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I want one but I have the impression that the ergonomics will be catastrophic compared to a Steamdeck that I had to sell because of its abominable screen with PWM backlighting (I'm sensitive to flicker)
Is there also a way to know if the screen will be flicker free?
Is there also a way to know if the screen will be flicker free?
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
ChuckeRearmed
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The flagship Steam Deck costs 679 euro. Asus ROG is 120 euro more expensive.
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Onironauta
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I was talking about the Rog Ally price difference between USA and EU, never mentioned the Deck
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
Randall365
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Seems impossible that battery life would not be screwed by Windows updating itself every five minutes and background processes running amok.
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Silver Wattle
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Windows OS is a hype sinker, SteamOS at least is being designed with gaming first, and windows is hot trash.
DenchDeckard
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Trust in me...unless something has changed in the last week and a half it's 699 for the 512mb version and will be available exclusively at a very big high street retailer.
...I love the UKs favourite takeaway food.. and not fish and chips
X-Wing
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Depends on how much viagra you take.
Now seriously, this thing running Windows is a major let down and negatively influences performance and the choice for a proprietary OS is probably also being reflected on that price.
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FingerBang
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699 Puoundzies? Is the release date the 11th in the UK as well? I'll grab mine extra spicyTrust in me...unless something has changed in the last week and a half it's 699 for the 512mb version and will be available exclusively at a very big high street retailer.
...I love the UKs favourite takeaway food.. and not fish and chips
DenchDeckard
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15th of May for us UK peasants! 699 of our Kings finest coins.
I'll be there day one with you brother!
I just wish there was a rog gun metal grey version with black buttons...would go with my z790 hero build all lovely.
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Goalus
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Exactly my thoughts regarding Steam Deck.
DenchDeckard
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Just a heads up, the d pad on the engineering samples is supposed to be awful so hopefully theve updated that for launch becuase it's a bit larger than a penny, almost a 2p and feels mushy and shit.
...so I've heard.
...so I've heard.
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Klosshufvud
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You only need to take a glance at it to understand how terrible it is. Worse dpads and also the omission of track pads make this lesser than a Steam Deck to me, despite the performance gains. Even the Chinese handhelds are doing better in this field than Asus.
FingerBang
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699 is still reasonable for the power. I hope it delivers, I might get rid of my Steam Deck if it does.15th of May for us UK peasants! 699 of our Kings finest coins.
I'll be there day one with you brother!
I just wish there was a rog gun metal grey version with black buttons...would go with my z790 hero build all lovely.
Not a huge fan of the white either, but at least we got RGB. We must focus on the stuff that matters!
DenchDeckard
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Yup, that rgb is what unlocks the extra power...hehe
I'm waiting on reviews and I too may sell my steam deck if it's performance boost is worth it but I love my deck so hopefully this delivers and pushes the steam deck 2 to be amazing.
Spukc
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IlGialloMondadori
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I can’t see selling my deck for this. Yeah, more power and a nicer screen sound good, but less back buttons, no track pads, a bad d pad, and questionable battery life mean I’d rather just wait for steam deck 2, however long that takes. I’m fine with the millions of last gen games, indies, and everything back until the beginning of time I have to play.
Goalus
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I was asking myself the same questions when I read your post that I quoted above.
Not sure how you can say the D pad is bad at this point, and it should really have comparable battery life to the Deck with better performance at the same power draw.
Perhaps if I’d used the trackpad in games or cared about the back buttons, I’d be in your shoes, but the Deck is already beginning to struggle with new games, and Valve’s half-hearted Windows support makes me seriously think about selling my Deck for this if the reviews are good.