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[analog_future]

I might do the same upgrade, so I am curious about this as well.

But If the 4090 is around 35% faster than the 4080 from what I gather. And the 5090 from early impressions is around 30-35% faster than the 4090.

Say 30% and the 5090 should be 75% faster than the 4080 in raster, although we don't have the actual 5090 numbers yet.

That's fair! I probably underestimated the leap.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I'm waiting and seeing coming from a 4090.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Is OP predicting the worst decade for Nvidia starting 2025?

 

[newtypepilot]

nvidia and shady misleading marketing? wow I am shocked!!! /s

but the diehard fanboys will buy anything so they'll keep puling these anti consumer tactics.

Always wait for the reviews!

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Even as a 3090 owner I'm not interested in the 5000 series, if anything I'm more tempted by further drops in price for the 4090 (seen a few recently around 1200-1400)

I am calling BS on this. Used 4090s are going for that, but there hasnt been a new 4090 for anything less than MSRP. I check this stuff regularly.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

I'll probably wait another generation. I'll upgrade my CPU soon, as that's the current bottleneck. I'm shooting for frames at 1440p more than anything, so I can always turn down settings if anything starts challenging the ol' 4090. I'd love to play with multiple framegen stuff but since framegen requires HAGS and HAGS makes multi-monitor life painful I can do without for now.

 

[ResilientBanana]

The people having tantrums about this whole thing don’t understand how this shit works in general. They also aren’t going to buy it and never were. These are pointless conversations for a product that doesn’t pertain to you.

 

[CityHunter1981]

No way I am upgrading any time soon. I build a new pc 2 years ago with a RTX 4080 and unless I cannot play games anymore, I am sticking to it.
Perhaps it’s an age thing, but as someone at 43 years old, who grew up with 8 bit games, I don’t need to have the setting on ultra all the time. I don’t mind lowering the details and resolution as needed.

I also still have a 10 year old tv. Yes it has 4K resolution but no HDR and honestly I don’t feel like missing out when I check new tvs at electronic stores.

 

[Xdrive05]

I’m just happy that the best parts of DLSS 4 are coming to the rest of the RTX line. That alone will extend the life of my 4060 ti 16gb, so I don’t feel the need to jump on a 50 card any time soon. Especially at new card prices.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

You mean marketing might fib?

Nvidia would never lie on the internet!

 

[Shifty1897]

The people having tantrums about this whole thing don’t understand how this shit works in general. They also aren’t going to buy it and never were. These are pointless conversations for a product that doesn’t pertain to you.

I agree to an extent. Back in the day with processors we hit a brick wall with speed and started dual core, quad core, optimizing for multi threading, etc. Now with GPU's we're hitting a brick wall with transistor size and the new gains will be more about AI Upscaling and Frame Generation going forward. Maybe one day there will be a new breakthrough but this is probably the new normal for now.

 

[night13x]

30% raster increase from 4090 and most of DLSS 4 coming to 40 series....If I upgrade to a 5k4k monitor it would be worth the upgrade...otherwise 4090 will still run everything maxed out for the next 2 years.

 

[EDMIX]

Only really played BG3 and Starfield on my 4090 build and don't see the point in upgrading

I'll upgrade later next gen, right now I find it pointless.

 

[Bulletbrain]

My 4070 is plenty for a couple of years at least. The overall graphical bar won't raise too much till whenever the next console cycle starts, and till then the 4070 will have enough juice to play any games with my required settings and performance. Nice that DLSS4 will also give a leg up to stretch it's useful life further.

Generally speaking for 40 series owners, the 50 series should be an easy skip. Raw perf uplift to price delta isn't great here. Might be good value for those who are all-in on frame gen.

 

[Myths]

The people having tantrums about this whole thing don’t understand how this shit works in general. They also aren’t going to buy it and never were. These are pointless conversations for a product that doesn’t pertain to you.

I’ve noticed the same thing. It’s hilarious. I hope they sell like hot cakes just so more people can cry about Nvidia and AI.

 

[RickSanchez]

No.

My 1080Ti lasted 6 years (2017 to 2023)
Now i have a 4090 which i expect to last for 7 years, till 2030.

So i'll build a new rig in 2030 with whatever is the best GPU at that time. No GPU upgrades before that.

 

[Kenpachii]

Got a 4080 laptop = 4070 desktop basically. Currently interested in the 5080 for a new PC build, however not liking the only 16gb of v-ram, 5090 is simple to hot for my room so that's a big no go. Maybe i will wait on the super refresh and hope that a 24gb 5080ti shows up.

 

[ahtlas7]

My 4080S will do me for another generation. Building it a new 9800X3D base in 2 weeks so that’s this years upgrade.

 

[ClosBSAS]

Lol 40 series is fine for outdated obsolete playstation 5 and this trash remake gen. Next gen is the real contender and by then we'll have 60 series or even 70

 

[Codeblew]

~30% uplift from 4090 which is in line for a normal generational leap. Plus the extra VRAM is invaluable for machine learning which I like to dabble in. The price is crazy but hey, if only AMD wasn't such garbage.

I am waiting for 32gb+ on an < $1000 card. It can't be that expensive to create a mid range LLM friendly card.

 

[Knightime_X]

I'm going from an RTX 2060 super to a RTX 5070 ti
I'm ecstatic!

 

[Thebonehead]

I'm going from an RTX 2060 super to a RTX 5070 ti
I'm ecstatic!

Nice bump

 

[Thebonehead]

I think I'll be keeping my 4090 and buying a 5090 for my small form factor build. Or maybe put the 4090 in the sff and 5090 into my office pc.

That'll only work if you get a 5090FE.

The partner cards are all massive 3 slot minimum big chunguses.

 

[lachesis]

4080 Super user - and I'm content. While I wait for the reviews, but most likely wait for 6000 series before I jump in.
I am looking for a second PC's GPU, though - and depending on the reviews and price/performance - I may go with RX9070/xt or 5070/ti which I think will be more than sufficient for my use.

 

[Knightime_X]

Nice bump

I usually wait several gens before making the jump.
I feel going 90 in a card is a huge waste of money.
My 2060 is getting rather long in the tooth and I feel its definitely time for an upgrade.
Also, I don't always game in 4k. Most cases I use 4k but with a 10-30% scaler.
The pixel difference is soo micro that it doesn't bother me the slightest.

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

I’ll wait and see what David B does before making my decisions.

 

[Thebonehead]

I’ll wait and see what David B does before making my decisions.

You'll have to wait until June and see how many pcs he's bought and sold.

If it's above 20 it's time to jump on the wagon

 

[llien]

You mean marketing might fib?

Well, ya know.
There is "marketing might".
And then there is that specific, one of a kind unhinged marketing from that very specific company.

 

[David B]

I’ll wait and see what David B does before making my decisions.

I don't know why others see it as scam. 5070 for $580 and performance like 4090 is super good deal to me. Just ran past the article online.

 

[hyperbertha]

What games are coming out that'll use a 5090? Except gta6? More and more I'm playing indie games that run on a toaster because those are higher quality than aaa stuff. It's mostly thanks to woke and live service infestation that has made 70 percent of aaas unplayable

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

It's good that you happy with your purchase. Still doesn't change the fact that Pro is shit value, and worse value than 5090 (vs. 4090) based on mathematics.

In your opinion.
Thread isn't even about that must you troll PlayStation in every thread?

 

[Boss Mog]

It’s hardly a scam. Disappointing in some aspects, but scam it is not.

Many here do not understand the meaning of a lot of words

I understand very well what a scam is. This isn't about the 50 true performance or pricing. It's about how Nvidia is marketing them.

When Nvidia shows a slide that proudly (and falsely) says the 5070 is on par with the 4090 for a third of the price , it is most definitely a scam.
When Nvidia shows graphs that compare cards where the 50 cards are using multi frame generation and the 40 cards are not, it is once again a scam.

But even the raw performance increase of 33% is somewhat of a scam since the power requirement is close to 30% more on the 5090 than the 4090. The 5090 is just a 4090 Ti with some extra AI tricks really.

If the 40 series can do multiframe gen but Nvidia is locking it to the 50 series for marketing purposes then that's a scam too.

But just the fact that they're trying to equate multi AI generated frame to real frames is a scam in of itself because they make no mention of the detrimental effect this has on image quality. Ghosting and artifacts are clearly visible with multi frame gen, not to mention the fact that it increases latency for a worse experience. Sure you can use another AI tool, Reflex, to artificially lower the latency but it will generate even more artifacts.

 

[hinch7]

What games are coming out that'll use a 5090? Except gta6? More and more I'm playing indie games that run on a toaster because those are higher quality than aaa stuff. It's mostly thanks to woke and live service infestation that has made 70 percent of aaas unplayable

At this time most of UE5 games can use all the power thrown at them and still demand more. Especially if you have a 4K to 4K UW display and want to play at high frame rates on high refresh rate monitors. Or up to 480 hz on 1440P on newly released OLEDs.

 

[GymWolf]

The multiframegen being the big update is pretty lame, i think to speak for most of the community when i say that between:

Raster perf
Improving dlss
Framegen
Rtx prowess
The Rumored tech that magically improve textures and save memory



Framegen is probably the less exciting thing they could have upgraded.

I know that dlss has the new model, but that shit is also for old gpu, i'm talking about the exclusive feature that has to convince you to buy a series 5000.

If framegen on series 5000 was absolute perfection with zero, and i mean ZERO downside compared to not using it, then i could understand, but i bet my left testicle that it's gonna be far from perfect and it's still gonna have input lag, ghosting and artifacts problems in most games.

Nvidia failed in making series 5000 palatable for the hardcores.

 

[pudel]

No.

My 1080Ti lasted 6 years (2017 to 2023)
Now i have a 4090 which i expect to last for 7 years, till 2030.

So i'll build a new rig in 2030 with whatever is the best GPU at that time. No GPU upgrades before that.

Same here. I will upgrade when I think its necessary, which means -> getting obvious problems in games

 

[delishcaek]

As long as my main games are Helldivers 2, POE2 and some indies I don't feel the need to upgrade from my 4070ti Super. The only game I am excited for right now is Stellar Blade which shouldn't be super demanding either. I guess I'll upgrade to a 6080 when GTA6 comes to PC.

 

[Senua]

In your opinion.
Thread isn't even about that must you troll PlayStation in every thread?

Playstation happens in every thread anyway, positive or negative

 

[gooner4life_uk]

The 4090 is the 1080Ti mk2, tiny jump in power between the 4090 and 5090 so i'll be sitting it out as the 4090 won't get left behind for another 2.5/3 years.

 

[Tokio Blues]

I' have a 4070ti, and im going full 5090.

Im weak.

 

[FingerBang]

The 4090 is the 1080Ti mk2, tiny jump in power between the 4090 and 5090 so i'll be sitting it out as the 4090 won't get left behind for another 2.5/3 years.

As expected, the 4090 will still be the 2nd best-performing card on the market unless Nvidia decides to release a 5080ti down the road for like $1500 and call it a great deal.
The 5080 won't be even close. It's even worse than I thought (I expected a bump of 25-30%)

There will be no game the 4090 won't be able to run at 4K for the foreseeable future. The 5090 looks like a decent jump, but that power consumption? Not sure. Might still get one though.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Lol 40 series is fine for outdated obsolete playstation 5 and this trash remake gen. Next gen is the real contender and by then we'll have 60 series or even 70

There's going to be 2 years of PS5-PS6 cross gen games. Calling it.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Lol 40 series is fine for outdated obsolete playstation 5 and this trash remake gen. Next gen is the real contender and by then we'll have 60 series or even 70

I'm really hoping the 6000 series is on a new node process; this is where we will likely see a proper improvement in GPU gains instead of relying exclusively on frame generation.

Sad thing is that video game graphics have stagnated for 10 years.

Even Doom 2016 looks much better than some modern day games eg Star Wars Outlaws.

There is not a single game on the market which has blown me away (RE4 and Space Marines 2 look great, but not mindblowing), although the upcoming MGS3 remake looks spectacular.

I miss the days when I was legitimately blown away by visuals eg Killzone 2, God of War 3, MGS2/MGS3/MGS4, Uncharted 2/3/4, Crysis 2, Doom 2016.

 

[nemiroff]

I understand very well what a scam is.

Of course you do.. It's the same as with the word "literally", people understand what it means but some go "fuck it!" and use it awkwardly anyway. It's literally a pandemic

 

[Bojji]

Exactly

You don't find value in these products that doesn't mean someone like me agrees with you

Its subjective

Pro has value, but for me this value is less than what they are asking for it in Europe. Also, disc drive is must have for me and they are extremely overpriced or unavailable.
For example you want the best GPU possible, so price/performance metric of 5090 is irrelevant for you vs. 5070ti for example. Most people will aim at that 5070ti (or 9070XT if it has good price) because this GPU will be king of price/performance and price/features of this generation.
In price/performance and feature/performance PS5 Pro looks bad compared to 2020 consoles, value it holds to individual people can't be measured.

This guy covered almost all Pro updates for games and this is his opinion (he is very pro Sony. Timestamped):

In your opinion.
Thread isn't even about that must you troll PlayStation in every thread?

I didn't bring consoles into this thread.

 

[hyperbertha]

At this time most of UE5 games can use all the power thrown at them and still demand more. Especially if you have a 4K to 4K UW display and want to play at high frame rates on high refresh rate monitors. Or up to 480 hz on 1440P on newly released OLEDs.

You shouldn't be playing horribly optimised games. How many of these are actually good?

 

[MarV0]

Is OP predicting the worst decade for Nvidia starting 2025?

That all depends on the AI bubble bursting.

The 5 series though are among the worst cards Nvidia ever released and by far the worst in recent memory.

 

[bbeach123]

Excluding the 5090 its not that much better than the refresh 4000super . Comparing with the launch 4000 kinda scam imo .

 

[CartesianMan]

I'm good with my 4090. Will wait for RTX AI 6090 or AIRTX 7090.
For now 24 GB VRAM is enough for my projects and gaming.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Its really simple:

- If you have a 4090, Stick to it. 30% performance increase max is not that great considering the price difference between you selling your card used and getting one of those cards ( assuming no connection or fire or heat issue/drama we got with the 4090 at first
- If you dont have a 4090 and looking to upgrade to a high end card, you have 1 of 2 options
A- Used 4090
B- go all out and buy a 5090

Under no circumstances you should buy a 5080 IF you have the chance to buy a used 4090. Unless you really want the multi frame gen thing and you don't like used products AND dont want to pay more than double the price to get a 5090.

Lol this is about as narrow binary as suggestions go init.

 

[Roman Empire]

I'll wait for now as the 40series are getting some slightest performance boost. And I've been gaming less, Idk if an upgrade is all that necessary for another 2 years maybe.