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Rumor: PS5 Pro Codenamed "Trinity" targeting Late 2024 (some alleged specs leaked)
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Well I'm kind of disappointed as RDNA3 WGP (CUs) are a rather small improvement when all things are considerrf and that theoretical 2x is much smaller in actual real life scenarios like games... smh (fucking AMD with their shitty RDNA3 "doubling of CUs"). One thing these "doubled" CUs are good at are accelerating Ray Tracing so we should have substantial improvement there (think nvidia RTX 3000 series RT perf), but in rasterization (non-RT workloads) it won't be a huge improvement (not even close to double). Not sure how to feel about this. Still probably gonna get it Day 1 though.
Please someone correct if I'm wrong though..
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MadPanda
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Including Activision studios?
sendit
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We? Do you mean ignorant people? They exist on both sides of the spectrum.
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RoadHazard
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There was some rumor/speculation/bullshit about Sony maybe offloading RT calculations to separate hardware, like what they've done with I/O and audio in the PS5, which would leave the GPU free to do other stuff. Not sure how realistic that is though.
Guerilla Munch
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blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Finally the power to ray trace a bath full of ducks.
It could be the same as base PS5.
BoxFresh123
Member
Since that Project Q leaked pretty much 100% what Sony revealed I'm inclined to believe this pro console is legit happening.
Whether these specs are legit, no idea but the console is real I think.
Whether these specs are legit, no idea but the console is real I think.
mansoor1980
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but phil spencer said there will be no ps5 pro
Umbasaborne
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If I didn’t buy a super pc I would have been all over this. I ended last gen with a ps4 pro and one x, now I struggle to see the point of pro consoles when you can get something on the pc side that will still be way more powerful than a pro console. I get it’s cheaper, but if your willing to pay a premium for power than why not save some cash and go all the way?
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XesqueVara
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You are Assuming RDNA 3 is the architecture here, but AMD have RDNA 3.5 coming and RDNA 4 coming too, AMD IP is very flexible.
James Sawyer Ford
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
No he didn't.
DeepEnigma
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My point still stands, regardless if you want to "both sides" it. And I apply it everyone who decides to have their brain break and all of a sudden apply "native res" talk when history is right there for us to extrapolate from.
The PS4Pro is what ushered in reconstruction for Sony consoles. So why do we always fall back on "native" in these discussions, I used the word we, words have meaning... when machine learning and reconstruction is widely used and accepted every other time?
It's reductive and does nothing but argue in bad faith.
skit_data
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Would be pretty cool if they offloaded it to a separate CELL processor (I have no idea how viable that idea would be though).
Nah - XBox is the spoon.
StealthGoblin
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You’d struggle to get it to be ‘slim’. The heat sink is still huge.
Horseganador
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-PS5 slim: 36cu - 16 Gb - 448 gb/s - $399
-PS5 pro: 60cu- 16Gb? - 576gb/s - $499
It seems to me a pretty good jump in performance for that extra $100, I understand that people want a very powerful console but a console of $600 or more would not be profitable or sell much.
-PS5 pro: 60cu- 16Gb? - 576gb/s - $499
It seems to me a pretty good jump in performance for that extra $100, I understand that people want a very powerful console but a console of $600 or more would not be profitable or sell much.
mansoor1980
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oh right he said no mid gen xbox refresh
my bad
Tarnpanzer
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Should be a nice upgrade over PS5, but nothing groundbreaking.
Do yourself a favor and don´t dream about RTGI in high resolutions or similar things. Expect higher or more stable fps and a boost in resolution.
Do yourself a favor and don´t dream about RTGI in high resolutions or similar things. Expect higher or more stable fps and a boost in resolution.
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3liteDragon
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WorkGroup Processor, each one contains 2 CUs.
Only if it's closed around 2.6GHz and it would be double with RDNA3 flops. Also,the total CU has to be 64 /60 as there would be 54 active with 3 shade engines with 20 CU or 4 SE with 16 CU.
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Neo_game
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Is PS5 considered 40CU ? Pretty sure this should be 60CU active something like RX 6800 but not really RDNA2 hopefully better than that as RT also need improvement.
MisterXDTV
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Agreed, you have to reach a balance in power/price....
Honestly, I hoped Sony would skip mid-gen but the whole COVID thing probably extended the generation to 2028-2029....
So a mid-gen can help mitigate the thirst for performance/graphics
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TheRedRiders
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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IIRC yes. The full fat PS5 chip is 40CUs, but 4 of them are disabled for improved yields.
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"The GPUs of the consoles (not considering the raw shader count) are very similar to each other. The PlayStation 5 features 40 CUs (20 WGPs), with 36 of them being functional, while the Series X has 56 CUs (28 WGPs), with 52 of them being enabled. This extra hardware is to keep costs in check, as very rarely do you get silicon with everything functional. Yields depend on the process node and its maturity."
Comparing the PS5 and Xbox Series X SoCs in Detail: Area, Similarity and Differences | Hardware Times
The PlayStation 5 and the Series X consoles launched last year, with largely similar underlying CPUs and GPUs. While the former features fewer Compute Units (36) in its GPU, it had higher adaptive clocks (2.33 GHz peak). On the other hand, the Series X has more ALUs (52), its operating clocks...
www.hardwaretimes.com
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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30 WGPs == 60 CUs doesn't make any sense.
On PS4 Pro they took the PS4 GPU and doubled the size, meaning that for un-patched games the console could simply disable half the GPU and run in an effective emulation mode where it emulates the base PS4 GPU.
A 60CU GPU is not a nice clean multiple of the base PS5 GPU which has 36CUs, so this reeks of pure, creamy-ass, stinky horseshit.
18,000 MT/s would imply GDDR6x and 576 Gb/s bandwidth; which is only 30% more memory bandwidth than the OG PS5, despite 67% more compute... so a severely bandwidth-starved system unless they're looking to use more on-die L3 or L4 caches.
On PS4 Pro they took the PS4 GPU and doubled the size, meaning that for un-patched games the console could simply disable half the GPU and run in an effective emulation mode where it emulates the base PS4 GPU.
A 60CU GPU is not a nice clean multiple of the base PS5 GPU which has 36CUs, so this reeks of pure, creamy-ass, stinky horseshit.
18,000 MT/s would imply GDDR6x and 576 Gb/s bandwidth; which is only 30% more memory bandwidth than the OG PS5, despite 67% more compute... so a severely bandwidth-starved system unless they're looking to use more on-die L3 or L4 caches.
Hero_Select
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8k performance. Right.
Sleepwalker
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I am punching air that Samsung will release a better phone than the one I have next year too, so so mad. More than you believe.
RoadHazard
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30 WGPs == 60 CUs doesn't make any sense.
On PS4 Pro they took the PS4 GPU and doubled the size, meaning that for un-patched games the console could simply disable half the GPU and run in an effective emulation mode where it emulates the base PS4 GPU.
A 60CU GPU is not a nice clean multiple of the base PS5 GPU which has 36CUs, so this reeks of pure, creamy-ass, stinky horseshit.
18,000 MT/s would imply GDDR6x and 576 Gb/s bandwidth; which is only 30% more memory bandwidth than the OG PS5, despite 67% more compute... so a severely bandwidth-starved system unless they're looking to use more on-die L3 or L4 caches.
It is 1.5x the PS5 GPU (which has 40 CUs with 4 disabled), so maybe they can just not activate the extra 50% for BC? I'm not sure exactly how that works, but I don't really see why it has to be exactly 2x.
(Mathematically this would mean that the Pro probably has 54 CUs enabled out of the total 60)
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MisterXDTV
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1.5x would mean 54 active CUs, right?
Loxus
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I remember saying 60CUs awhile back.
Obviously it wouldn't be this, this is just my speculation.
At the same clocks (2.23GHz) as PS5 with 54CUs active, would give us 30.82TF with RDNA 3.
18Gbps is the speed of the GDDR6
Depending on the capacity used, it could have one of these bandwidth setups.
16GB - 576 GB/s
20GB - 720 GB/s
24GB - 864 GB/s
Obviously it wouldn't be this, this is just my speculation.
At the same clocks (2.23GHz) as PS5 with 54CUs active, would give us 30.82TF with RDNA 3.
18Gbps is the speed of the GDDR6
Depending on the capacity used, it could have one of these bandwidth setups.
16GB - 576 GB/s
20GB - 720 GB/s
24GB - 864 GB/s
RoadHazard
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DeepEnigma
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16GB - 576 GB/s30 WGPs == 60 CUs doesn't make any sense.
On PS4 Pro they took the PS4 GPU and doubled the size, meaning that for un-patched games the console could simply disable half the GPU and run in an effective emulation mode where it emulates the base PS4 GPU.
A 60CU GPU is not a nice clean multiple of the base PS5 GPU which has 36CUs, so this reeks of pure, creamy-ass, stinky horseshit.
18,000 MT/s would imply GDDR6x and 576 Gb/s bandwidth; which is only 30% more memory bandwidth than the OG PS5, despite 67% more compute... so a severely bandwidth-starved system unless they're looking to use more on-die L3 or L4 caches.
20GB - 720 GB/s
24GB - 864 GB/s
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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The GPU needs to be symmetrical for topographical and the task scheduling front-end design to work at all. So no, a 1.5x PS5 GPU where 2/3 of the chip can be disabled for emulation mode is not an option.
If true, then they would have to do all the emulation in software, which would eat into the benefits of having a bigger GPU in the first place, because you now have to pay the performance overhead cost of your emulation/translation software layer.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Zen 2, Zen 3, Zen 4?
ToTTenTranz
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A couple more things:
- SoC codename is Viola
- Architecture is probably RDNA 3.5 with new ALUs, but the improved RT units from RDNA4. In practice it's RDNA4 with RDNA3 schedulers, I guess.
- If it's using 256bit GDDR6 18Gbps then it's very likely getting Infinity Cache as well, or it just wouldn't scale.
Sounds like the new PS5 Pro is getting a treatment similar to the PS4 Pro where it got features that wouldn't appear on discrete GPUs until a year later (rapid packed math).
- SoC codename is Viola
- Architecture is probably RDNA 3.5 with new ALUs, but the improved RT units from RDNA4. In practice it's RDNA4 with RDNA3 schedulers, I guess.
- If it's using 256bit GDDR6 18Gbps then it's very likely getting Infinity Cache as well, or it just wouldn't scale.
Sounds like the new PS5 Pro is getting a treatment similar to the PS4 Pro where it got features that wouldn't appear on discrete GPUs until a year later (rapid packed math).