SegaSnatcher
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Not even the PS6 will have those specs.
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Rumor: PS5 Pro Codenamed "Trinity" targeting Late 2024 (some alleged specs leaked)
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SegaSnatcher
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They aren't releasing a Pro console with less than 2x the compute. Guaranteed
Also, I fully expect a slight bump in GPU clockspeeds, just like they did with PS4 Pro.
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You clearly didn't learn a thing & we do not have any information on clock rate & also this is a pro model not a new generation the goal will be to enhance current gen games.
Loxus
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I did 2 mockups of the PS5 Pro using RDNA3 and Zen4c.
One is 8 Zen4c cores and the other is 16 Zen4c cores.
5nm GCD - 6nm MCDs
8 core - 244mm²
16 core - 291mm²
MCD - 37mm² for each MCD.
These are the best case to utilize die space.
I'll try to do a monolithic design went I get the time.
One is 8 Zen4c cores and the other is 16 Zen4c cores.
5nm GCD - 6nm MCDs
8 core - 244mm²
16 core - 291mm²
MCD - 37mm² for each MCD.
These are the best case to utilize die space.
I'll try to do a monolithic design went I get the time.
Investor9872
Member
It's not a couple of years later. It will be 4 years later in the Fall of 2028.
That is my hope as well as that would be pointless but the leaks go against that. I think Sony might be constrained by Amds inefficient tech and there might be a wattage cap levied by the EU on consoles I believe because otherwise dosent make sense for sony to go with such a small die for a midgen upgrade.
Interesting,but I'm not sure how true that is. The series consoles don't have CU counts that are divisible by 44 or 12 like the previous gen and with a theoretical 54 CU, the PS5 pro isn't evenly divisible by 36.
If the PS5 pro is similar to PS4 pro then I doubt Sony would need the same type of back compact like the PS5 and Cerny said this:
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Probably even later.
Neo_game
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If this trend continues with RDNA ? Then it is easy to guess PS6 specs as 80CU with 72 active CU.
THE:MILKMAN
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I did 2 mockups of the PS5 Pro using RDNA3 and Zen4c.
One is 8 Zen4c cores and the other is 16 Zen4c cores.
5nm GCD - 6nm MCDs
8 core - 244mm²
16 core - 291mm²
MCD - 37mm² for each MCD.
These are the best case to utilize die space.
I'll try to do a monolithic design went I get the time.
Interesting mockups Loxus. The 8 core coming in quite a bit bigger than the XSX SoC even at 5nm. Though I'm convinced Sony will (or have to for lots of reasons?) stick to a monolithic SoC. Maybe you could do two configs: conservative and optimistic specs? I err towards the conservative myself but I get why many in the thread hope for the best.
I guess we aren't going to be getting any more solid spec info until at least next spring if dev kits don't start going out until end of the year/beginning of next.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Does the Remnant 2 DF findings convince some of you good folks sitting on the fence that the Pro consoles are very much needed?
Quality mode 1296p at 30FPS
Balance mode 792p at 60FPS with drops in some heavy scenes and cutscenes to high 30's
Perf mode 720p at 60FPS with drops in some heavy scenes and cutscenes to high 30's
Quality mode 1296p at 30FPS
Balance mode 792p at 60FPS with drops in some heavy scenes and cutscenes to high 30's
Perf mode 720p at 60FPS with drops in some heavy scenes and cutscenes to high 30's
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No. I think the performance is sufficient enough on the PS5 and Series X that devs can do whatever they want. If devs want to spend less time making ultra visuals or going with the highest resolution then they shall if the overall look of their game is there.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Well, Remnant 2 is one of the first UE5 games made by a 3rd party dev not named Epic and even Epic themselves stated that the baseline for current-gen consoles in UE5 titles is 1080p TSR (or even lower) when using next-gen features like nanite and lumen.
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DeepEnigma
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No. Maybe if we see those numbers from Naughty Dog's next game or The Coalition's. I bet we won't even see those numbers with Death Stranding 2 and can almost guarantee it will look amazing.
But with that said, I still want a PS5Pro.
Crikey. The consoles were just a few years too early for the sort of leap UE5 affords, really. At least at 60fps, anyway. Pro consoles are needed way more than last gen.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
I don't even believe the PS6 comes until 2028... at the earliest.
Celcius
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I'd rather see a Pro console with X3D memory on die than more coresI did 2 mockups of the PS5 Pro using RDNA3 and Zen4c.
One is 8 Zen4c cores and the other is 16 Zen4c cores.
5nm GCD - 6nm MCDs
8 core - 244mm²
16 core - 291mm²
MCD - 37mm² for each MCD.
These are the best case to utilize die space.
I'll try to do a monolithic design went I get the time.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
If someone had tried to run Far Cry 1 or Crysis on PS2/GCN/Xbox and tanked performance I would still not rush a mid generation upgrade out of the door.
If you stay within the current console price, size, and power consumption envelope (approximately the same) 4 years of technological progress got you far more 12 years ago than it did 6 years ago than it does now than it will in 6 years. Outside of incredible breakthroughs that is how things are, technology is not evolving faster and trying to brute force things by hoping we can make faster enough HW for devs not to have to optimise and scale games to the HW that is actually in customers’ hands is not a recipe for success IMHO (especially considering it seems like it is taking far bigger jumps in HW performance to obtain meaningful results… scaling is not linear anymore and less so as time goes on it seems).
Why do you think generation are taking longer and longer? What about that is making us thinking that in four years we can have a meaningful update if a proper next generation update takes 8 years to develop, manufacture, and sell in volumes?
A hypothetical $800 PS5 Pro would lead to very disappointed people buying the $399-499 PS6 a few years later IMHO…
I do not like waiting for PS6 any more than others do, but not likening to wait does not make Pro consoles more effective or useful to users… despite being consumer beasts that will buy whatever we can get
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Inuteu
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we barely have REAL 4k content
ChiefDada
Member
No. I think engine code optimizations are just as important as hardware capabilities, if not more important. But a hypothetical pro model would certainly be nice to have and I'll be picking one up day 1. Its purpose is to enhance what should already be a solid experience on the base console.
If anyone is interested, Daniel Owens has done a small benchmark of Remant 2 on PC and it doesn't seem to be any better on it.
If someone had tried to run Far Cry 1 or Crysis on PS2/GCN/Xbox and tanked performance I would still not rush a mid generation upgrade out of the door.
If you stay within the current console price, size, and power consumption envelope (approximately the same) 4 years of technological progress got you far more 12 years ago than it did 6 years ago than it does now than it will in 6 years. Outside of incredible breakthroughs that is how things are, technology is not evolving faster and trying to brute force things by hoping we can make faster enough HW for devs not to have to optimise and scale games to the HW that is actually in customers’ hands is not a recipe for success IMHO (especially considering it seems like it is taking far bigger jumps in HW performance to obtain meaningful results… scaling is not linear anymore and less so as time goes on it seems).
Why do you think generation are taking longer and longer? What about that is making us thinking that in four years we can have a meaningful update if a proper next generation update takes 8 years to develop, manufacture, and sell in volumes?
A hypothetical $800 PS5 Pro would lead to very disappointed people buying the $399-499 PS6 a few years later IMHO…
I do not like waiting for PS6 any more than others do, but not likening to wait does not make Pro consoles more effective or useful to users… despite being consumer beasts that will buy whatever we can get
The visuals enabled by Unreal 5 and (presumably) similar technologies is not some arbitrary standard. It's the big next gen leap, like PBR and a few other things were last time. It just hasn't quite aligned with the hardware available in 2020, at least not if you want 60fps, as I certainly do.
Unreal 5-ish visuals with good IQ at 60ish fps probably aren't possible on PS5. Therefore I want a Pro. It's that simple.
I mean if you want to go all pedantic - 'Pro' has been used to mean more compute power exactly 'once' - with PS4 Pro.
The other times we got a machine with more compute they were named X, S, and i/XLi.
Strictly speaking also SCPH-7xxx - although the compute increase there was too small for people to notice, and the Wii, but we don't talk about that one.
But really, these were premium priced boxes (over 2x the price) with extra features/functionality/hw, sold to consumers looking for more than just a regular game box. It's exactly the model 'pro' consoles target, just not done very well/successfully.
Captain Toad
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Ok, but only for The Touryst.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
… so maybe we should deal with what the current consoles can be pushed to handle (they are far from being maxed out with multiple generation of games designed around these consoles as baseline) and then leave maxing out UE5 to PS6?
I am not sure why we are confident that PS5 Pro will be able to deliver it at decent prices given technology trends? With all the -ish’es are we sure PS5 and XSX cannot handle them in the future?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
At over 2x the price we have a $890 PS5 Pro competing with a $399 PS6 years down the line, how would that work?
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Interesting,but I'm not sure how true that is. The series consoles don't have CU counts that are divisible by 44 or 12 like the previous gen and with a theoretical 54 CU, the PS5 pro isn't evenly divisible by 36.
If the PS5 pro is similar to PS4 pro then I doubt Sony would need the same type of back compact like the PS5 and Cerny said this:
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MS doesn't do BC in the same way, they have more of a translation layer in-between. Sony does "to the metal" BC, where part of the console's APU is simply disabled so that it more or less becomes the other console as far as the software running on it is concerned. That's why they're more limited in what they can do with the next console to retain full compatibility.
But if the PS5 Pro does have 54 enabled CUs, that might mean they are in groups of three (3x18) that can each be enabled or disabled, which would provide compatibility with PS4, PS4 Pro and PS5.
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TrebleShot
Member
So this thing is likely to use an equivalent of a 7900XT with a heavily custom set up allowing for accelerated RT and up scaling? Sounds pretty cool
If you ask me.
Maybe Sony can produce RT cores ? I dunno enough about this stuff but can’t they develop missing features from the AMD GPU and build them into it? Like they did with geometry engine etc leading to the whole RDNA 1.5 BS
If you ask me.
Maybe Sony can produce RT cores ? I dunno enough about this stuff but can’t they develop missing features from the AMD GPU and build them into it? Like they did with geometry engine etc leading to the whole RDNA 1.5 BS
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Errr... where are you getting that idea from? The 7900xt i a 25TF GPU (or a soft 50TF doing RDNA math).
Unless there is some drastic change in how the CUs handle instructions, this thing is going to be an at best 16TF (assuming the consensus of 54 active CUs holds true). And if they are doing me RDNA3 type calculations... then it's a soft 32TF at best.
PeteBull
Member
Lets just hope ps5pr0 has similar performance to 7900xt, if it does and doesnt cost above 800$ we all will be very satisfied xD
Again here for quick comparision, rx 6700xt https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6700-xt.c3695 is better from both xsx and ps5 gpu's in every aspect, so if ps5pr0 gets gpu that is similar(or maybe stronger) from 7900xt, we will get guaranteed doubling of performance vs base ps5 at least when gpu is the bottleneck( those 720p 60p performance modes will suddenly jump to/ around 1080p and that will be really visible upgrade especially on 4k tvs.
Dont think of it as 720p to 1080p upgrade, coz its over 2x pixel amount. Hell 1600p to 4k jump is probably not as visible as 720p to 1080p.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
If they delay Pro till say Fall 2025 to take advantage of RDNA 4, then its 3 years to 2028. And hell, MS may release something earlier the way this gen has been going for them.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I think it will depend on sales and devs/publishers.
ReBurn
Gold Member
While I want a more powerful PlayStation that can help eliminate the forced choice between high performance and high fidelity, when it comes to Remnant 2 I'm of the opinion that it's more of the developer's ambition outstripping their capability. So I wouldn't use it as the poster child for needing pro consoles.
PeteBull
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If it happens like that then we wont see ps6 before holidays 2030, gotta look/compare to ps4/ps4pr0/ps5 specs, ps4 to ps4pr0 is 2,2x perf increase, ps4 to ps5 is at least 6x gpu increase, 3x cpu increase, and even that didnt feel like crazy jump.
From that u can extrapolate we wont see ps6 till at the very least its bigger jump from ps5pr0 vs what jump ps5pr0 was compared to base ps5(just like ps4 to ps4pr0 was smaller jump vs ps4pr0 to ps5, which was bigger, not crazy much bigger but definitely bigger jump).
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Don't think they can wait that long. Hardware will be stale and a lot of excitement will drain away. We saw that with Xbox 360/PS3 gen.
PeteBull
Member
Lets wait and see how it goes, most probable scenario is 3nm rdna 3,5(4) ps5pr0 holidays 2024, if no delays, if delays gonna happen they will affect pc gpu's too.
From seeing how current graphically demanding games run/look on ps5/xsx it will be welcomed with open arms by enthusiasts who already cant stand 720p60 with dips performance modes or some dynamic res 1296p30fps quality modes even now, not to mention in 1,5 year ;D
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Clintizzle
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Lads, i'm getting Next Gen Speculation Thread vibes
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yeah, I am in this boat, lol. Would definitely spring for PS5 , especially if I can sell my current for like $300. If not, will give it to kids as their own.
Loxus
Member
Zen4c is densely packed, so Sony shouldn't need to cut down the cache or 3d stack.
8 Zen4c cores = 16MB L3
PS5 8 Zen2 cores = 8MB L3
Loxus
Member
With a monolithic design, it may be better the L3 cache doubles as Infinity Cache.
With this, I was aiming for around 300mm² on 5nm.
(For how I do these images, I insert the die shot image into a program name Autocad. Scale the image to the actual mm², then trace out the important units.)
~298mm2
12 Cores = 24MB L3 cache
Extra cores to boost fps at lower res.
18GB = 648 GB/s
8k may require bigger res/size textures.
Plus XDNA, since it reliefs the CPU of AI tasks.
Why should we wait when we can have it now (next year...)?
It doesn't make any sense other than to satisfy some random imperative not to have mid gen consoles.
As for the second point: it seems that we will (and to some extent have got) truly next gen graphics at something like 1080-1440p at 30fps. A Pro should be able to get close to that at 60, especially with VRR. But yes, that is essentially just a claim, and I don't know for sure. But it's a reasonable claim, prima facie.
SegaSnatcher
Member
Well if they want a built in hardware boost mode that doesn't require dev input than a bump in GPU frequency is a must.
SegaSnatcher
Member
Some of you need to stop low balling GPU compute so much. The PS5 Pro will follow the same route as the PS4 Pro, it's pretty simple.
They need to make the PS5 Pro seem worth it both in regards to on paper specs and in action. Trying to sell people on a 16 Tflop PS5 Pro without a disc drive for $599 ain't gonna cut it.
My pure guess would be 62-64 total CU with 60 active.
Also, where is this leak of 54 active CU? The leak was 60 CU, i.e. 30WGP.
Spec leaks never mention the inactive compute units. Look at leaks for OG PS4 and PS4 Pro before released, only active CUs were talked about.
So if the leaks hold true of 30WGP then that means PS5 Pro will have 60 active CUs.
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If anything it makes the argument against a Pro stronger in my mind. When 100TF monsters like the 4090 with the highest spec CPU and ram are running that game at around 35-40 fps at 4k native what hope does a slight spec bumped PS5 have of making a transformative difference?
SegaSnatcher
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Well here's the thing, that game's extremely high resource usage is going to be an anomoly compared to most games released this gen. One game shouldn't dictate the goals Sony or even Microsoft have in regards to how they approach the design of their mid gen hardware refreshes. The vast majority of games will see a pretty decent improvement with a PS5 Pro even just using a hardware based boost mode without game devs touching a thing. PS4 Pro still was limited to the crappy Jaguar CPU which made the architecture pretty unbalanced, this won't be a problem with the PS5 Pro.
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[Sigma]
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Im good. Unless someone buys this for me or I get a good trade in or sale in which I don't need to spend more than $100 more to get it. My PS5 is good enough for the rest of this gen even though I could use the extra frames on this LG C2 because it's trash with motion at lower framerate but I will not have this TV(or my qled) anymore by the time this comes out anyway.
XesqueVara
Member
You are increasing the Cpu Cores size by a lot btw, a Zen4C core+L2 uses 2.48mm of area. 8 of them uses 19,48mm on 5nm.I did 2 mockups of the PS5 Pro using RDNA3 and Zen4c.
One is 8 Zen4c cores and the other is 16 Zen4c cores.
5nm GCD - 6nm MCDs
8 core - 244mm²
16 core - 291mm²
MCD - 37mm² for each MCD.
These are the best case to utilize die space.
I'll try to do a monolithic design went I get the time.
Daniel_Mallorca1985
Member
I understand that you are referring to the “”NO fat””
