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Sailor Moon Crystal |OT| In the name of the manga, I'll entertain you!

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You're gonna have to explain it because some of us just don't see it.
My problem is that it had nothing more to say other than, "Look at these women being manipulated by jewelry." They were literally turned into mindless zombies. Strict adaptation or not, I'm still going to judge it for not being more self-aware.
Plot-wise it directly ties into what Sailor V and Tuxedo Kamen have been involved with.
I haven't read the manga, so I'm looking at it in isolation.
 

Ayumi

Member
Don't know if it was posted but check out this gem from the opening
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"30%? You'd better study harder, soccer-head!"

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Zoe

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My problem is that it had nothing more to say other than, "Look at these women being manipulated by jewelry." They were literally turned into mindless zombies. Strict adaptation or not, I'm still going to judge it for not being more self-aware.

I haven't read the manga, so I'm looking at it in isolation.
Almost every monster plot is going to involve some material object turning people into zombies.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Pluto is just a dwarf planet now, and at the top of a wide collection of dwarf planets at that. Stuff still fits.
 

enigmatic_alex44

Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
*sigh* I kind of wish I hadn't seen the first episode of Crystal.

I just can't warm up to this artstyle, it has no charm and looks like a low-budget CLAMP production, or a "fan animation project" on deviant art. It doesn't have the goofy charm of the old show, nor the flowery beauty of the manga. Plus the art isn't even consistent, what the hell is up with having CG transformations and 2D everything else? And WHYYYYY does the new transformation need to be SOOOO long? Feels even longer than the 90's anime. Good Lord, when all 5 inner senshi are on the show, we're going to have half the episodes just having the same recycled animations playing over and over (a money saving thing I guess).
Contrary to popular opinion, I thought the CG transformation was the best looking part of the show though character wise. Too bad the whole show isn't done that way, would look better, more consistent and more modern while truly feeling like "something new" not a microwaved rehash of the old series/manga.

I love Sailor Moon so I may give it a few more tries until my fave Mars shows up though but right now, idk
 

Lindsay

Dot Hacked
The henshin is CG? I didn't even noticed that! Think the new shows off to a good start! Then again I'm easily pleased an not one to notice stuff in super details. Love all the Sailor V propoganda! OVA when?

And WHYYYYY does the new transformation need to be SOOOO long? Feels even longer than the 90's anime. Good Lord, when all 5 inner senshi are on the show, we're going to have half the episodes just having the same recycled animations playing over and over (a money saving thing I guess).
Ya know they'll have a full team henshin with bits & pieces of each one adding up to about the length of a solo. Henshin, special attacks, even monster making are pretty much always recycled in these types of series. Its not like thats changed in the however many years since og SM hit! Its like Luna said "find allies, defeat baddies, save princess..." a nice classic time-tested gameplan aka series structure!
 

polg

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I used to buy fan subs in VHS over 15 years ago... Today I streamed brand new anime in 1080p to my HDTV.

Episode was short but awesome :D
 

Kinsei

Banned
Hmm, not the greatest first episode, but it was pretty good.

I loved the original show when I was a little girl, but I don't really remember much about it (I remember that Sailor Mercury is the best), so this will be almost completely fresh!
 

Zoe

Member
People aren't really supposed to know about Pluto's existence anyway.

As for the transformation sequences, I've seen speculation that they won't happen in full every time, which would make sense with the flow of some of the fights.
 

Curler

Unconfirmed Member
People aren't really supposed to know about Pluto's existence anyway.

Yeah I think that works for her and her planet situation. She's a special guardian and is a secret to all the others.


Oh and regarding the Sailor thing, there's Chibi Moon, but I guess you can just say she's next in line, anyways. Not that Earth's moon is a planet anyhow (just the center of the galaxy...)
 

Biker19

Banned
So glad that I set my alarm for this earlier. Can't wait until the 2nd episode! :)

Though we'll most likely have to wait until the 19th or the 20th of this month for it.
 

Lindsay

Dot Hacked
People aren't really supposed to know about Pluto's existence anyway.
Yeah I think that works for her and her planet situation. She's a special guardian and is a secret to all the others.
Ya but at some point you'd think they would just assume it... or at least Ami would pick up on it. "Hey we got Venus/Mars/Jupiter/Mercury, ya think there's a ______?" But fiction dun work that way so yeah.
 

Cilla

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I watched the livestream. I really enjoyed it. I like the new artsyle and I loved the OP and ED. I watched all of the previous Sailor Moons but I am going in expecting nothing and not holding onto nostalgia for nostalgias sake. So far so good!
 

Cheerilee

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It was... okay. Not nearly as bad as I was braced for it to be, but not nearly as good as it deserved to be.

Other than Saturn she's the most powerful of the bunch. I don't think she would give a shit.

Logically, no group of reincarnated thousand-year-old wizards should care how some committee (that has never personally been to the site) decided to classify the land where their castles currently stand.

"Oh, Mr Wizard? You say your castle is on twelfth street? That just can't be possible, because it says right here in my survey guide that twelfth street is a commercial district."

*Wizard performs a mind crush on the bureaucrat and goes home to hang some tapestries*
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Logically, no group of reincarnated thousand-year-old wizards should care how some committee (that has never personally been to the site) decided to classify the land where their castles currently stand.
If Pluto has a problem with it, maybe she should have had enough gravity to control her own orbital space.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Sailor Moon Crystal 1


It's really just kind of rigid and unattractive, and Takanashi's compositions are wildly inappropriate for the material. Admittedly, it is impossible for me to judge this adaptation on its own merits, but I don't necessarily feel like it's entirely supposed to be. I mean, this isn't being marketed to a new generation of fans--it's the culmination of a 2+ year marketing campaign producing 20th anniversary-themed goods targeted at adult female fans of the original, so in some sense it's supposed to complement the main series. Because of that, it's hard to see anything of merit here for a fan of the original who is not entertained by the mere fact that this is a faithful adaptation of Takeuchi Naoko's original manga--leaving aside the half-baked production values, the original series was never great merely owing to any specific property it shared with its source material but because it was the product of a specific group of incredibly talented individuals at a specific point in time who used the source material as a canvas to endlessly elaborate upon until it was transformed into something altogether unique. I want Crystal to be good on its own merits, but I have little expectation that Crystal can excise most of the original anime's most endearing qualities while also hamstringing its own staff's ability to do justice to a faithful adaptation with inadequate production resources and result in something remotely as satisfying.

I can appreciate what it's trying to do stylistically, but the "look" of Crystal is mostly undermined by the fact that "good enough" is not actually good enough. Stylistic cohesion can serve as an adequate balm where the actual production values fall short, and it pains me that the art nouveau elements are limited to eyecatches and a smattering of classic shoujo rose frames because this is a visual concept that could have been really cool if consistently applied. That's a minor complaint, though, and I'm much more concerned with the application of the controversial super-duper-shoujo character design. Unlike some people, I was never against the more faithfully Takeuchi-like character designs on principle, but I was cognizant of the fact that care would have to go into making them "work" in motion because that level of stylization is a double-edged sword and the more complicated the face, the worse it looks when drawn poorly. QUALITY was always less apparent in the original Sailor Moon because Ikuko Itoh's simple, rounded faces lent themselves well to cartoony deformation. We all had a laugh at that one goofy piece of official art with Usagi's U WOT M8 face, but the sad truth is that it wasn't just an anomaly and there were a lot of this in the actual episode. Usagi often looks distractingly vacuous, like a dead fish or a deer or something. The eyes are big and striking and draw the viewer's attention but a lot of the time it doesn't feel like they're actually looking at anything. Some of this is a byproduct of the fact that Crystal is simply less expressive than Sailor Moon by design, but the faces either feel distinctly "on" or "off" model to me, like there are no set proportions. It's hard to convey exactly what I mean. The cold, digital look is also not complementary to the throwback character designs.

Can it improve? Sure; to my knowledge, the dramatic beats are much closer together in the manga, and the upside to this is that it plays to Sakai's strengths as a director since he thrives on teasing the intimate human moments out of fantasy scenarios. Tatsuya Nagamine's struggle to satisfactorily execute his vision in Happiness Charge Precure is an ominous reminder that even talented directors are not infallible if they are completely starved of ED/AD talent to assist in the execution of their vision, though. The already notoriously-stingy Toei has managed to outdo themselves this year by not only taking on an obscene number of concurrent projects but also completely denying all of them the flow of talent they need to achieve any kind of production consistency whatsoever. Short AD cycles, outsourcing, and staff shortages are sucking the life from Hacha, Matsutarou, Kindaichi R, Majin Bone, and virtually everything else they have a hand in that isn't One Piece. Given its legacy, relaxed air schedule, and financial importance, Crystal's middling values and use of CG in situations where savings over traditional animation are likely negligible all seem to imply that it is not above receiving the same treatment. We'll know soon enough.
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
At AX (Anime Expo) they showed episode one and two of the remaster with the new dub and the first episode of Crystal.

I thought that the origina's first episode still held up. There were some genuinely funny moments, and the pacing and the story were perfectly tied together.

Crystal was alright. The episode still had some decent moments, but it lost some of its charm.

It also made a small change with the bad guy's technique. In the original all the women who bought tainted jewelry stayed at the store, so it made sense when they turned into zombies and tried to attach Sailor Moon. However, in the new one all the women had gone home, then were "called" to go to the store, which would have taken a long time.

I felt that was an odd change if we're thinking about logistics. It was also weird looking at these possessed women walking down the street, waiting to get there. :p
 
At AX (Anime Expo) they showed episode one and two of the remaster with the new dub and the first episode of Crystal.

I thought that the origina's first episode still held up. There were some genuinely funny moments, and the pacing and the story were perfectly tied together.
Did they say anything about the remastering process for the original series?
 

oti

Banned
I liked the first episode. Sure it's different, but still good. I like the German nickname for Usagi better though. Bunny > Usagi.
 

Ayumi

Member
I don't really have much negative I feel like I care enough about to mention, but again, I'm so sad to see all the classic reaction faces being gone.

Really hope they build up eventually.. the old reaction faces were everything.
 
I don't really have much negative I feel like I care enough about to mention, but again, I'm so sad to see all the classic reaction faces being gone.

Really hope they build up eventually.. the old reaction faces were everything.
From what I understand (as Hitokage or madp would explain), that was more of a trademark of the original series' director.
 

Conan-san

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I don't really have much negative I feel like I care enough about to mention, but again, I'm so sad to see all the classic reaction faces being gone.

Really hope they build up eventually.. the old reaction faces were everything.

They could do with referencing the manga a bit more for that but the raction shots from the manga are in there, just to scale.
 

cj_iwakura

Member
At AX (Anime Expo) they showed episode one and two of the remaster with the new dub and the first episode of Crystal.

I thought that the origina's first episode still held up. There were some genuinely funny moments, and the pacing and the story were perfectly tied together.

How's the new dub?
 

Zoe

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Yes this was posted. Like a thousand times over in one day.
Oh yes, we found a terrible frame!
Time to repost it all over the Internet!
Ugh

It's not even a terrible frame, it's an inbetween which was never intended to be looked at on its own.
 

Lynd7

Member
Just watched it, I am not overly familar with the proper core story, but this was pretty entertaining. I don't mind the style, some of the hair animation was a bit strange looking. Overall it doesn't look as bad as I thought it might.

Probably a good chance it will get cleaned up for eventual home releases.
 
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