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[Fbh]

"I just said we should invade Russia! I didn't say we should lose!"

"I contracted an external military advisor to draft up a plan to invade Russia. He came back with a plan that involved sending our entire infantry into Russia dressed in bright pink and purple colors and armed exclusively with nerf guns. My bosses thought it was the greatest military strategy of the century, officially brought the advisor into the military with a high ranking position and invested considerable resources into executing the plan.
Now that it failed miserably the one at fault aren't my bosses but me, because I originally contracted the advisor to draft up a plan".

 

[mckmas8808]

Fuck Hermen.

Some of yall just aren't that smart.

 

[mckmas8808]

A lot of gamers push revisionist history.

Sony had a bunch of trouble. As you mentioned Last Guardian was an absolute disaster. London Studio and Japan Studio hadn't internally produced anything of value in years under Yoshida.

PlayStation HQ moved to California in 2016 and Shuhei I believe lived in Japan. Having him head the studios out of Japan while the Japanese business was underperforming simply didn't make sense. People want to deify Shuhei Yoshida, but it's not like he was actively making the games.

People pretend as if 6 studios didn't close down under his watch and 2 studios shortly after. Everyone asks why doesn't sony make X game franchise anymore and a big reason for that is actually Yoshida. Guess who never made ANY big investments in Japan... Yoshida... Look at Japan Studio now -- Asobi...That's completely Hulst, but even then not really directly... That's not how decisions get made or executed.

I'm not saying all of this to trash him either, but it's hilarious how people try to turn him into this giant that he never was and ushering him out made sense and continues to make sense.

People hate Hermen Hulst because of Horizon, which is hilarious because you're talking about a franchise that sold over 32 million copies in like 7 years... The entire Persona series since 1996 has sold 23.5 million units... Horizon is a hit franchise...

Don't say the bolded too loud or the crazies will jump you lol

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Shu on fire with all these threads.

Amazing how interesting and different the real info is when the cat is out of the bag.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Still this anyway.

Someone should have had the foresight to pull the plug.

I think even this guy saw what was coming.

 

[ByWatterson]

"I contracted an external military advisor to draft up a plan to invade Russia. He came back with a plan that involved sending our entire infantry intro Russia dressed in bright pink and purple colors and armed exclusively with nerf guns. My bosses thought it was the greatest military strategy of the century, officially brought the advisor into the military with a high ranking position and invested considerable resources into executing the plan.
Now that it failed miserably the one at fault aren't my bosses but me, because I originally contracted the advisor to draft up a plan".

Ha, touché.

I don't think anyone is blaming Shu alone. But it was always silly to blame one guy, period. No corporation blows $400 million without lots and lots of important people agreeing.

 

[mckmas8808]

"I just said we should invade Russia! I didn't say we should lose!"

Is this some anti-Ukraine Russian propaganda in a videogame thread? Or did I miss a joke?

 

[ByWatterson]

Is this some anti-Ukraine Russian propaganda in a videogame thread? Or did I miss a joke?

Nah just a Napoleon/Hitler joke.

 

[mayham2199]

I don't know how easily they recouped their losses

Wasn't there some rumor or something (honestly don't recall how the info came out) about Sony revisiting most of their GAAS and killing some of them since the Concord bomb?

I would count that as a pretty big deal when you start adding up all those costs associated with those projects canceled along with the Concord costs

IMO it's at least 1 billion if not a bit more. Sony is surviving off being the dominant platform. It's exactly like Phil Spencer said about Sony taking that 30% to keep more games off Xbox. That's how Sony does this and still has greater quarterly reports because of that 30%. It's the whole point and benefit of being a store/platform. You make so much money off other people's work and you can take that money to invest in your own games/projects.

With the cost of games rising the way they are I've started wondering if Sony will look for an opportunity to wind down their studios and focus on just like a big 3-4 games (the guaranteed money makers). Let third party bring in the rest of the money. Similar to what Valve does essentially. They just provide a store and barely release any games and no one in the PC ecosystem really cares.

 

[mckmas8808]

IMO it's at least 1 billion if not a bit more. Sony is surviving off being the dominant platform. It's exactly like Phil Spencer said about Sony taking that 30% to keep more games off Xbox. That's how Sony does this and still has greater quarterly reports because of that 30%. It's the whole point and benefit of being a store/platform. You make so much money off other people's work and you can take that money to invest in your own games/projects.

With the cost of games rising the way they are I've started wondering if Sony will look for an opportunity to wind down their studios and focus on just like a big 3-4 games (the guaranteed money makers). Let third party bring in the rest of the money. Similar to what Valve does essentially. They just provide a store and barely release any games and no one in the PC ecosystem really cares.

- So why did they make a game like Astrobot if they will wind down their studios to make only 3-4 games?
- Why did Sony allow Naughty Dog to make a new IP?
- Why did Sony shut down ND's GAAS game based on a famous IP, in order to focus on the new single player IP?
- Why are you acting as if Sony's 1st party games hasn't helped them be the dominant platform?

 

[hemo memo]

That's a big and costly mistake.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Shu on fire with all these threads.

Amazing how interesting and different the real info is when the cat is out of the bag.

Media lies and fake narratives are getting absolutely cooked today.

You love to see it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Now we know why retirement came when it did.

In a different time,

 

[MiguelItUp]

I respect him coming out and talking about it. However I feel the whole Concord situation most certainly exceeds one man's position. It was just a huge failure across the board.

 

[mayham2199]

- So why did they make a game like Astrobot if they will wind down their studios to make only 3-4 games?
- Why did Sony allow Naughty Dog to make a new IP?
- Why did Sony shut down ND's GAAS game based on a famous IP, in order to focus on the new single player IP?
- Why are you acting as if Sony's 1st party games hasn't helped them be the dominant platform?

This is just a theory I have and I'm not talking about anytime soon that this happens. So I don't expect them to even begin making those sort of moves because it's way to soon for that. I'm talking about 10 years plus from now. Also when I say opportunity I mean that no one else is in the console hardware business except for them and Nintendo. They will never do this while Xbox is still in hardware.

 

[justiceiro]

Maybe shu knew his time was up and he preparithe ultimate revenge, hehehe. How proud he must be of the pay off...

 

[tusharngf]

 

[FoxMcChief]

Now we know why retirement came when it did.

In a different time,

A better time.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Concord is a the falirue of the entire company.

 

[skit_data]

Easily among the most unexpected info I got from the Sacred Symbols interview. Well worth a listen if you haven't.

 

[RoboFu]

well now we know why he " retired "

 

[NeverYouMind]

I guess he needed to clear his conscience.

 

[yogaflame]

Well, hindsight is always 20/20

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So turns out good guy Shu was the green lighter the whole time. Lol

Now the info comes out when people were ragging on jim and Herman from the beginning.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Lmfao

The narratives about Hermen are sounding stupider by the day. He can’t catch a break from the clowns that want to pin everything on him

Just as I’ve been saying all along, people jump to conclusions based on zero credible information

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Media lies and fake narratives are getting absolutely cooked today.

You love to see it.

Absolutely agree brother

The amount of unwarranted hate some execs get over things that aren’t there decisions is ridiculous

Shu is draining the swamp of over reactionary misinformation that gets peddled by folks like SlimySnake

 

[Kenneth Haight]

 

[Raven117]

Concord as a protype was likely worth exploring. The direction it took was clearly not Yoshida's fault.

 

[yogaflame]

Concord as a protype was likely worth exploring. The direction it took was clearly not Yoshida's fault.

The plague woke agenda especially twisted gender ideology happened that influence gaming badly.

 

[Roman Empire]

Still, no way the guy would have imagined Concord would take so much time and money back when it waswhat just a prototype and ideas pitches with some vertical slices. We saw some of the older character designs before their uglification and the project has been known to have take a few reboots to take 8 years to release. They should have booted the whole studio and project the moment they didn't have nothing concrete to show at the 4 year mark of the project.

 

[Fabieter]

So he's doing alot of damage control for hulst i see.

 

[realcool]

Somebody in charge kept looking at Concord during development saying, "Continue."

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Shuhei it's okay bro, you don't gotta catch smoke for Herman's baby.

Good dude, willing to do that for a friend. But you don't have to

 

[lughnasadh123]

Signing off on that was a good idea especially at the conceptual stages where there's a lot of leeway how it could be shaped into something great. It was the people at the top that failed the shaping into something successful that deserve blame. Was there no oversight at all?

 

[Spyxos]

We can bet that he didn't sign for this Concord Prototype. It certainly looked different back then.

 

[captainnapalm]

Know your enemy or pay the price. He obviously had no idea what he signed on to.

 

[nowhat]

 

[cormack12]

 

[polybius80]

 

[W11d]

Don't forget Destruction Allstars and Predator Hunting Grounds. It's also was greenlighted by Yoshida.