GymWolf
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cool.Yeah, that's me. Kickstarter reward for supporting Pillars of Eternity.
cool.Yeah, that's me. Kickstarter reward for supporting Pillars of Eternity.
I prefer it that way, tbh.That's one thing I was curious about too.. I very rarely see any mods interacting with us peons except for Evilore and occasionally Dgrayson
Hey if you wanted more naked showers with buttrock, all you needed to do was ask baby.Remaining anonymous, I'll confirm that devs in many west coast studios still frequent here and ham it up. Some of us have taken a lesser role in the industry after 20 yrs, but still give love and reminisce about the days of prime E3, GAF and the laughing gif :lol.
Anyone else attend the 2001 Xbox party at Palladium with Third Eye Blind, Blink 182, Chemical Brothers and the mosh pit? Those naked dancers in showers... Why can't we have more nice things?
I think that's by design.That's one thing I was curious about too.. I very rarely see any mods interacting with us peons except for Evilore and occasionally Dgrayson
They sadly made many volunteering and paid Los Angeles models unemployed. What a great opportunity for them to network with the industry, right?If any E3 booth dares to have booth babes anymore, Kotaku will cancel the company that did it and Reeeee will follow right along..
I prefer it that way, tbh.
Some mods, pre-rift, got way too close to the community and ended up letting that 'celebrity' status go to their heads.
Posters would then rile up threads, shit-post and troll, just to envoke the coming of black-jesus, followed by pathetic Sam Jackson gifs.
I am consistently amazed by your ability to not curl up into a ball and quitEviLore . Shit, it's what I expected. Makes my depression over other things seem laughable.
I also want to say I never would have joined under the old GAF, even well before the exodus. The moderation now has improved to the point that this is the best forum I've seen in terms of free discussion (without becoming a complete shithole). What you all are doing is working.
The exodus was rough, but I kept regularly lurking here because the whole situation came off as ridiculous. The biggest disappointment was in how many posters actually left, I honestly figured only 30-50% would leave. So glad I never fully bought into Era.
My biggest question is just how you managed to push forward? Did you have anyone (or multiple somebodies) that really helped support you? Did you ever think about ending the site, and if so what convinced you not to?
One of my duties was filming/photographing booth babes for one of the big sites. It got downright pornographic the year before Santa Monica.E3 went to shit when they banned booth babes.
One of my duties was filming/photographing booth babes for one of the big sites. It got downright pornographic the year before Santa Monica.
How did GAF go from resetera-like (extreme left, not allowing other opinions) to such a free forum? With the same owner?
Yeah GAF at the moment feels more like classic GAF compared to whatever it was around 2016. Era inherited all the shit.
My questions to Evilore are:
1. How do you intend to stop what happened before from happening again ?
2. Do you regret not implementing GAF GOLD sooner, I assume it would have done very well even before the split - which would sort out any revenue issues. Or maybe it would give the toxic community another bullshit reason to do whatever they wish.
I appreciate everything you have done for this community so far, especially after the trying times of the split. Hopefully we are seeing the results of genuine thought vs outrage culture.
This part. This and everything that was done... It takes a very cool and logical head to prevail. A lot of people wouldn't recover from what you went through.2) My original plan for GAF Gold was public, and lifted wholesale for ResetEra Clear (just like everything else over there).
I was a legacy GAF member since like 2013 and watched it degrade into what it was back in 2016-17, it got pretty bad pretty quickly. I'd never been warned or banned for anything until around 2017 then after having three accounts (my original one and then two junior accounts) permabanned in one year for absolute nonsense I called it quits on this place. Coming back this year though was like night and day, it's like old school NeoGAF all over again. You should be proud of what you've done, successfully turning the forum culture around like this.I took a more hands-on approach after the 2017 drama to steer things back to sanity and repair the forum culture, and I'm a moderate. The activist ex-mods all ditched the site at once when I got smeared. Afterwards when I did a bunch of digging with the Ban Justice Project, I found some gross abuses of power by several of them that contributed greatly to the loss of moderate, reasonable voices on the boards, which sent us into a downward spiral and set up the whole disaster.
1) We're on a modern platform now, so everyone can be held properly accountable for their actions. I also carefully selected the new team, and they're very level headed and stable, not self-righteous activists. We also have transparency with a public ban page, and a healthy open discourse and rapport between myself and the users. Despite all the extra checks and balances now, we don't really need the checks and balances since the new mods are trustworthy and fair, and take their relationship with the users seriously.
2) My original plan for GAF Gold was public, and lifted wholesale for ResetEra Clear (just like everything else over there). That plan was taking into account the toxic forum culture that hated capitalism and social hierarchies.We don't need to go that route anymore since the culture here is chill again. Regardless, I couldn't implement Gold on vb3, and we were waiting until the big migration to Xenforo (which was scheduled for the same week that the drama happened and Reset was formed, probably not coincidentally). It is what it is and I'm happy with how our superior GAF Gold turned out.
I was a legacy GAF member since like 2013 and watched it degrade into what it was back in 2016-17, it got pretty bad pretty quickly. I'd never been warned or banned for anything until around 2017 then after having three accounts (my original one and then two junior accounts) permabanned in one year for absolute nonsense I called it quits on this place. Coming back this year though was like night and day, it's like old school NeoGAF all over again. You should be proud of what you've done, successfully turning the forum culture around like this.
It's funny comparing your efforts against those from somebody like Lowtax, the webhost of SomethingAwful. SomethingAwful got hit with the same kind of extremism that NeoGAF was plagued with a few years ago and Lowtax just kind of let that fester indefinitely, now look at his site. It's a miserable disaster and all of the members hate each other.
I had a somewhat similar experience.I was a legacy GAF member since like 2013 and watched it degrade into what it was back in 2016-17, it got pretty bad pretty quickly. I'd never been warned or banned for anything until around 2017 then after having three accounts (my original one and then two junior accounts) permabanned in one year for absolute nonsense I called it quits on this place. Coming back this year though was like night and day, it's like old school NeoGAF all over again. You should be proud of what you've done, successfully turning the forum culture around like this.
It's funny comparing your efforts against those from somebody like Lowtax, the webhost of SomethingAwful. SomethingAwful got hit with the same kind of extremism that NeoGAF was plagued with a few years ago and Lowtax just kind of let that fester indefinitely, now look at his site. It's a miserable disaster and all of the members hate each other.
First, you have to shake the stigma of posting here. Somehow, Resetera has made the Alt-right/Nazi label stick
First, you have to shake the stigma of posting here. Somehow, Resetera has made the Alt-right/Nazi label stick
No lies detected though.Not as bad as what people are saying about Era in Twitter though. People just call them Reeeee and Pedos among other things.
First, you have to shake the stigma of posting here. Somehow, Resetera has made the Alt-right/Nazi label stick
It wasn't reset era. A lot of hateful shit was posted here at the time right after the exodus and the place was basically unmoderated. That label got associated with neogaf because that's the kind of thing you saw posted here every day.
Post evidence or fuck off. I’ve been here the whole time and can unequivocally say that the only “hateful shit” was posted by the spineless cunts knocking the magazine racks over on their way out.
Looks like I touched a nerve.
Go touch yourself instead cunt
I rest my case.
You have no case, cunt. You said that the Nazi/alt-right label was deserved because hateful shit was being posted here after the split. Post your evidence or fuck off you spineless worm.
You know Matt,
The fact that posts like yours will go unmoderated is my case, bud. Now, this will be my last reply because I don't care to soil myself and stoop to your level of discourse.
I'll just add that saying that it was Resetera that gave gaf the Alt-right label is ridiculous. And like you, I've also been here the whole time.
Yes mate, me calling you a cunt is evidence that GAF is an alt-right Nazi forum. Or could it just be that you’re a cunt? You lied about hateful alt-right nazi shit being posted here after the split and now you’re trying to deflect because you’ve been called on it. If you were to do that in real life, it would be slander.
Thats how we do it these days though. If someone says something we don't like, we want that person to be silenced. Your posts seem unnecessarily angry, but that's your right isn't it?!
Could you chill a bit please and maybe consider that he might not be lying, just his definition of "hateful shit" is a bit less forgiving than yours?Yes mate, me calling you a cunt is evidence that GAF is an alt-right Nazi forum. Or could it just be that you’re a cunt? You lied about hateful alt-right nazi shit being posted here after the split and now you’re trying to deflect because you’ve been called on it. If you were to do that in real life, it would be slander.
First, you have to shake the stigma of posting here. Somehow, Resetera has made the Alt-right/Nazi label stick
It wasn't reset era. A lot of hateful shit was posted here at the time right after the exodus and the place was basically unmoderated. That label got associated with neogaf because that's the kind of thing you saw posted here every day.
And why would anyone care how a forum is labeled exactly?
I guess what he wrote is somewhat inflammatory to people that believe otherwise, that is true. Can't comment as I wasn't there. What I do know is that some people nowadays equate GAF's moderate-conservative views with being alt right, so in that sense, I can definitely imagine that being the case back then too.Re-read the post he originally responded to for full context (quoted below). Vorg is saying that the alt-right/nazi label is deserved because “that’s the kind of thing you saw posted here every day”. That is a bald-faced lie, and he’s now attempting to conflate me calling him a cunt (which he is) with alt-right/nazi propaganda by lumping them both under the “hateful” umbrella. Like I said, no quarter for liars.
I guess what he wrote is somewhat inflammatory to people that believe otherwise, that is true. Can't comment as I wasn't there. What I do know is that some people nowadays equate GAF's moderate-conservative views with being alt right, so in that sense, I can definitely imagine that being the case back then too.
We are playing the "I wasn't there so I don't know" game.“to people that believe otherwise”
Are we playing the personal truth game? I was here the whole time. He lied. We were never infested with alt-right/nazis posting hateful shit every day, and what he said is tantamount to slander.
We are playing the "I wasn't there so I don't know" game.
I don't take a side, neither yours nor his.
I merely told you why after re-reading I realized why it would seem inflammatory to people who believe otherwise (which you are). I was suggesting that I now understood where you were coming from calling him a cunt.Cool, butt out then
I merely told you why after re-reading I realized why it would seem inflammatory to people who believe otherwise (which you are). I was suggesting that I now understood where you were coming from calling him a cunt.
So being brash and using foul language is the same as alt-right/nazi? I'm fucking Hitler then.You know Matt,
The fact that posts like yours will go unmoderated is my case, bud. Now, this will be my last reply because I don't care to soil myself and stoop to your level of discourse.
I'll just add that saying that it was Resetera that gave gaf the Alt-right label is ridiculous. And like you, I've also been here the whole time.
Go touch yourself instead cunt
So being brash and using foul language is the same as alt-right/nazi? I'm fucking Hitler then.
So being brash and using foul language is the same as alt-right/nazi? I'm fucking Hitler then.
lol
I like this thread. That being said, I just read up on the drama back then because I wasn't here at the time and I did read something something sexual abuse and something something child abuse about GAF on ResetEra. Of course I knew that what they say can't be taken for truth, but they don't tend to just invent things, rather, they twist things, so upon reading this thread I decided to google what happened back then.
From what I gathered, EviLore may or may not have done something that can be considered inappropriate (going naked into the shower to that women with a boyfriend that was puking, primarily), but even if true, I didn't gather anything evil or downright despicable. People do stupid shit at times they don't mean, or they meant it but their views changed, or they thought they meant it based on their perception, which turned out to be a misunderstanding, or heck, they don't even understand themselves and only later realize their own attitude and feelings, making them reflect and change... I don't get why so many people think that every action, every word that someone has ever done or said, is an expression of 'hidden, immutable, intentive nature' of a person.
Of course the things we do and say reflect on us, even if it's just 'a joke', but to say that the perceived intent is equal to the actual intent is naive at best. It assumes that everyone sees the world from the same point of view, which is just plain wrong. I'm particularly allergic to smear campaigns because I was smeared once, too, because the worst part is that no one will ever know the truth except the people involved. EviLore could be lying, he may not; frankly, I don't care, as redemption, tolerance and change are part of my beliefs. The same goes for the crazy people at ResetEra. If they lose the crazies, they are all good in my eyes. Right now, he does a damn good job at keeping this forum intact, so as far as those actions go, I have to say that he strikes me as a much more sympathetic guy than the outrage culture that infests Era.
First, you have to shake the stigma of posting here. Somehow, Resetera has made the Alt-right/Nazi label stick
I had a somewhat similar experience.