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[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

why are some fans mad about ciri being the mc in the witcher 4??????????????????????????????????

I don't think they are specifically. I think their gripe is moving away from such an amazing character like Geralt.

We played Ciri in previous games and virtually no-one complained about it. Ciri is cool, but she isn't Geralt and Geralt is what folks come for in a Witcher game.

Just like how some of us got pissed at Kojima for rapidly aging and killing off Solid Snake after the first two Metal Gear Solid games. I preferred and still prefer Solid over Big Boss / Raiden all day every day.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Funny how all the examples are of western games... shockingly the starter pack for protagonist in Asian games was... Asian

Shocking, I know... I'll give you a minute to recover

 

[rkofan87]

I don't they are specifically. I think their gripe is moving away from such an amazing character like Geralt.

We played Ciri in previous games and virtually no-one complained about it. Ciri is cool, but she isn't Geralt and Geralt is what folks come for in a Witcher game.

Just like how some of us got pissed at Kojima for rapidly aging and killing off Solid Snake after the first two Metal Gear Solid games. I preferred and still prefer Solid over Big Boss / Raiden all day every day.

i get it but some are calling the game woke for ciri and i an like ciri is hot as hell not ugly.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

i get it but some are calling the game woke for ciri and i an like ciri is hot as hell not ugly.

Some people think the earth is flat.

Ignorant irrational minorities shouldn't be paid attention to. Doing so only muddies the discussion on any topic.

Again, a character not being attractive isn't what makes a game woke. Returnal wasn't a woke game and its protagonist wasn't particularly attractive by any conventional measure.

Some could argue the same about the game Control by Remedy (although I think the actress the character is based off is smoking hot).

 

[Trilobit]

i get it but some are calling the game woke for ciri and i an like ciri is hot as hell not ugly.

While "hot as hell" is subjective, I think this is a sign of what kind of game they are making:

 

[BlackTron]

Yes. It was brought up why she, the actress, started shaving her head. I'm not going to spend time defending her because this isn't my fight.

Since Google searches didn't work, I scoured all 11 pages of posts here and all I could find was mention that the actress has had a shaved head in the past already. So if you could point out where it was "brought up" she started shaving her head as a response to people criticizing her looks, that'd be great. Wait, nevermind -you already said in advance this "isn't your fight" to deftly evade backing up your bogus claims, which was a good idea.

However, I do find it funny that we will get 10 pages of some posters here being offended that she spoke out telling us how she should not have been offended.

If nobody was attacking her personally, then there is no reason for her to attack anyone, and people have a right to be offended at her. People gave feedback on the content of a game trailer. It's almost like she had to stir the pot because she wasn't getting enough attention personally from it -with people generally criticizing the developers work. At least, that's what people were really doing from all the factual info I can find. This comes from many gaming websites. But now, she made herself a part of the conversation/criticism practically by force.

Imagine if they used a guys likeness as a basis for a Link model, and everyone ended up hating the in-game model. Nobody even knows his name, but he releases this big stunt to "troll" everyone for hating the model...so now they know his name, probably as some dumb ass. But flip the script around, and it's brave, good for him...I mean, her.

Just to be clear, I'm not talking about the ones popping in for internet fun. Most of us do it. I am talking about the ones that are truly upset and offended over a four-minute video.

I agree. A 4 minute video should really just be for fun. I don't expect my opinion to be taken seriously unless the video is at least 40 minutes. If it's a very serious topic, 4 hours is really better. That's why I let the same news cycle over and over again all day, they just talk so fast, you don't really get to hear it long enough to have an opinion on it before they stop talking!

 

[navii]

She should ask Daniella Pineda how insulting Cowboy Bebop fans translated to sales.

 

[Success]

lol, this is actually quite funny

Being an observer in this war is fascinating

 

[DeepEnigma]

Demi was even fine back then with her t&a

 

[DeepEnigma]

Man its always extremes and hyperbole with you guys. Doesn't look like a man so that means she is a bean pole. Doesn't shave her head bald like a man so that means she gotta look like a super model. At the end of the day all you want is to do blur the genders and people aren't going for it. Jordan looks like she belongs right in this video:



"Stud" - a butch lesbian in american black culture.

I’ve been saying she looks like the stereotype “stud” dyke look since the reveal.

All she needs to do is the finger guns over the chin, back and forth with each hand with the smirk

 

[Putonahappyface]

GI Jane flopped back when it did come out. What's your point?

I loved G.I Jane.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

The game will probably be great and not at all the woke mess folks are expecting.

That said Tati should stfu. She's isn't a creative lead on this game. So attacking the potential player base before it's even released is like the worst thing she could do.

I don't care what her politics are personally, her professional work should be kept separate. If she can't manage that then she shouldn't be working in this or any other creative industry.

Sony marketing should come down hard on this shit quick if they know what's good for them. Launching a new IP is hard enough. You don't want to allow people only tangentially related to the game's creation to jeopardize its launch just because she can't keep her shitty politics to herself.

 

[Mister Wolf]

GI Jane flopped back when it did come out. What's your point?

Exactly. Men didn't like that shit back then neither. We haven't changed. Why did she need to be masculinized to prove strength or that she can "hang with the boys".



Women are capable of demonstrating that just fine while maintaining their femininity.

 

[Woggleman]

She is not attacking the fanbase. She is simply biting back against those who attacking her which is her right.

I am not a simp but I also don't believe a woman is obligated to sit there and smile while she is attacked.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

She is not attacking the fanbase. She is simply biting back against those who attacking her which is her right.

I am not a simp but I also don't believe a woman is obligated to sit there and smile while she is attacked.

that's fine, no one is obligated to like her or buy a game she's supposedly trying to promote either.

 

[PeteBull]

Demi was even fine back then with her t&a

Comparision to how hot she was with proper feminine hair in the 80s xD

 

[vpance]

The game will probably be great and not at all the woke mess folks are expecting.

To put some perspective on it, ND was pretty far ahead of the DEI curve with TLoU2. Really far ahead actually. And that came out just before it peaked and took over all of the left leaning Cali game and dev scene during covid which gave us bombas this year we'll never forget.

Intergalactic will be the magnum opus of their message. If you think TLoU2 was the limit of their preaching, well I wouldn't take that bet.

 

[MagiusNecros]

why are some fans mad about ciri being the mc in the witcher 4??????????????????????????????????

Instead of writing you an essay about the actual reasons why I'll give a lame answer and say she got hit in the face and doesn't have a sexy posh british accent anymore. I'm sure lumping Ciri together with Jordan in that fanart does all sorts of favors.

 

[sachos]

Jesus... now they fucked up. The backlash and culture war was getting out of hand and was unjustified imo but now they just added more fuel to the fire.
I get it must be hard to resist the urge to respond after receiving so much hate from people though.

 

[TheKratos]

Her character would exactly fit in concord.

 

[cormack12]

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I hope the game bombs straight through to the earths inner core. Fuck your agenda you vomitous D.E.I scum.

This and I'm done with ND.

 

[reinking]

Since Google searches didn't work, I scoured all 11 pages of posts here and all I could find was mention that the actress has had a shaved head in the past already. So if you could point out where it was "brought up" she started shaving her head as a response to people criticizing her looks, that'd be great. Wait, nevermind -you already said in advance this "isn't your fight" to deftly evade backing up your bogus claims, which was a good idea.



If nobody was attacking her personally, then there is no reason for her to attack anyone, and people have a right to be offended at her. People gave feedback on the content of a game trailer. It's almost like she had to stir the pot because she wasn't getting enough attention personally from it -with people generally criticizing the developers work. At least, that's what people were really doing from all the factual info I can find. This comes from many gaming websites. But now, she made herself a part of the conversation/criticism practically by force.

Imagine if they used a guys likeness as a basis for a Link model, and everyone ended up hating the in-game model. Nobody even knows his name, but he releases this big stunt to "troll" everyone for hating the model...so now they know his name, probably as some dumb ass. But flip the script around, and it's brave, good for him...I mean, her.



I agree. A 4 minute video should really just be for fun. I don't expect my opinion to be taken seriously unless the video is at least 40 minutes. If it's a very serious topic, 4 hours is really better. That's why I let the same news cycle over and over again all day, they just talk so fast, you don't really get to hear it long enough to have an opinion on it before they stop talking!

I don't want this to come across as rude but it will. I do not care enough about the topic to go back through threads nor do I care to call out individual posters. You can probably start with the Intergalactic meme thread. I suppose it can be argued that people are making fun of the characters features but the characters look is based on the actress playing her. Either way, I can understand why the actress felt the heat and spoke out. I also understand that people like to have fun on the internet.

 

[Goalus]

Her character would exactly fit in concord.

The game could be Concord's single-player campaign.

 

[Foxt3r]

The game and its mc design scream of 2018.
We thankfully live on a much different world. Good luck

 

[Carmen Winstead]

11 pages of discussion for one 24 hour Instagram story of a bitch who will be playing the main character of the most controversial upcoming game on which majority of this forum is hating and probably will not be buying.

GAF's really gone overboard with this game.

 

[chakadave]

Games were better when actors were t involved.

 

[powder]

The game could be Concord's single-player campaign.

If Concord didn’t shit the bed I bet there were already plans to make Jordan a playable character. It’s kind of weird how she fits right in cosmetically. Who knows, maybe they were planning on revealing some “Freegunner” lore

 

[sainraja]

I dont care how she looks. For me the rules are simple. Did you use a real actors face in your game? Cool, i'm not buying your game then.

Imagine having a medium where you make up people, and you have the tools to make them look however you like. Cheaper and with less effort than using someone else. And you go for a recognizable face? This has to be the dumbest shit ever.

Sort of a strange trend that has been started. Please make original characters. What is the point of trying to insert real life actors into your game? What advantage does that get you? The only thing I can think of is perhaps using them in a real live action series or movie later; they are planning that from the get go vs having to plan it later and have to recast.

 

[BlackTron]

I don't want this to come across as rude but it will. I do not care enough about the topic to go back through threads nor do I care to call out individual posters.

Just admit you were wrong then if I already did more work to verify your comment than you can. You wasted my time.

 

[genesisblock]

Funny how all the examples are of western games... shockingly the starter pack for protagonist in Asian games was... Asian

Shocking, I know... I'll give you a minute to recover

Other than a Samurai / culture themed game. A significant amount of "Asian" games are western. From Resident Evil, Silent Hill to Death Stranding. And this is not counting the FF series and what have you. If there is an equivalent in western media, I'm still waiting. Oh, there's that attempt for Yasuke.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Sort of a strange trend that has been started. Please make original characters. What is the point of trying to insert real life actors into your game? What advantage does that get you? The only thing I can think of is perhaps using them in a real live action series or movie later; they are planning that from the get go vs having to plan it later and have to recast.

Maybe for promoting purposes and social media advertising.
Maybe for dei reasons, because in the past they didn't do it.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Other than a Samurai / culture themed game. A significant amount of "Asian" games are western. From Resident Evil, Silent Hill to Death Stranding. And this is not counting the FF series and what have you. If there is an equivalent in western media, I'm still waiting. Oh, there's that attempt for Yasuke.

The poster used a specific period of time to imply all characters looked the same. I simply pointed out the obvious flaw in that logic.
And guess what's common on your example, the games you mention take place in either US/ European setting. your ff series example comes to "culture theme" as well since they are representing high fantasy as popularized by tolkien (elves, knights with broad swords, mages), but even in those games you would have plenty of samurai/ninja classes too.

So what about the first assassin's creed? resident evil 5? prince of persia? the plethora of western games where you can create your character and make it any race/gender you wish?

There's always example to prove any point we want.

 

[CityHunter1981]

Such posts make everything just so much worse. I wanted to give her a fair chance, but if she want the incels to boycott the game, she can have it.

By the way I consider myself as one of these incels. A happily married incel with 2 children, but still not happy with this recent drive for dei in games recently. At lest I live in Japan, where it is still considered to be normal to be straight and want to see pretty women.

 

[GymWolf]

Sort of a strange trend that has been started. Please make original characters. What is the point of trying to insert real life actors into your game? What advantage does that get you? The only thing I can think of is perhaps using them in a real live action series or movie later; they are planning that from the get go vs having to plan it later and have to recast.

One could say that a real actor can do a much better voice work but then you have a literal nobody doing james voice for sh2r and his voice acting is legit 100x times better than kenue/silverhand in cyberpunk so that can't be the reason...

 

[Lokaum D+]

Comparision to how hot she was with proper feminine hair in the 80s xD

Man, i prefer her 200% bald, this is not her best picture

 

[cormack12]

Comparision to how hot she was with proper feminine hair in the 80s xD

She was hot in a lot of films, but even in Ghost and AFGM her hair was 'short'. Ironically Demi has quite a masculine feature set too.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

Has being hostel towards the fans ever worked?

Rachel in Snow white, Amandla in Acolyte and the list goes on, that story might have costed hundreds of millions of $ and very likely end her career.

 

[BlackTron]

She is not attacking the fanbase. She is simply biting back against those who attacking her which is her right.

I am not a simp but I also don't believe a woman is obligated to sit there and smile while she is attacked.

Where/when was she attacked?

I'm not trying to be flippant, just looking for a real example?

 

[Kotaro]

Imagine the confused boners Gaf would have if GI Jane came out today.

GI Jane bombed big time, thanks for proving our point

 

[Kotaro]

why are some fans mad about ciri being the mc in the witcher 4??????????????????????????????????

Because The Witcher is Geralt

This is not The Witcher, it’s DEI Witcher

 

[GHound]

Sort of a strange trend that has been started. Please make original characters. What is the point of trying to insert real life actors into your game? What advantage does that get you? The only thing I can think of is perhaps using them in a real live action series or movie later; they are planning that from the get go vs having to plan it later and have to recast.

Yeah, it's kind of lame. As I mentioned in another thread at one point about KojiPro's physint project I desperately hope at the minimum the main character isn't another face scanned actor. Even if it's inspired by some existing characters or people so long as it's actually a man made character design I'll be fine with it.
In 20 years if someone talks about Death Stranding they're just going to think Norman Reedus when Sam is mentioned, but at the end of the day it is just Norman Reedus in funny clothes so they'd be perfectly right to.

 

[PeteBull]

Man, i prefer her 200% bald, this is not her best picture

U are entitled to ur own preferences, so am i, and for me early 80s with hair being 9/10 (since no1 is perfect 10/10, or close to no1) vs below avg so maybe a 3 or 4/10 from G.I.Jane movie.
Reason behind it is-14years older(demi was already 34yo durning filming)+ lack of make up+ bald head affects how beautiful woman looks, i say below avg coz i see much better looking women on the streets of my smalltown all the time, not some celebs taking professional photoshoots that spent tens of k of usd on all kinds of plastic surgery/ai made "instagram online girlfriends".

 

[DenimDevil]

The way I see it, this reaction totally validated the initial response if there ever was any doubt. And I bet Naughty Druckmann/Neil Dog are gonna double down.

 

[ShadowNate]

I find the controversy about her looks in-game (in the released trailer anyway) pretty stupid to be honest. She looks ok to me.
The reactions from some on the non-woke crowd are getting ridiculous by the day, and pretty soon if not already people will start rolling their eyes at them as well.

But, that said, antagonizing the gamer crowd when you're in acting business or in a game that will be sold to them (or both) is also quite stupid and juvenile. She should know better and ignore them altogether.

 

[Aguero9320]

She should ask Daniella Pineda how insulting Cowboy Bebop fans translated to sales.

Everyone on here is going to buy it, I have no doubt. It’s easy to support ‘the cause’ anonymously on NeoGAF, much harder to not play the latest ND blockbuster. Sales will be more than fine.

 

[Bojji]

Because The Witcher is Geralt

This is not The Witcher, it’s DEI Witcher

You can find people talking about Ciri being lead in W4 from 2015. This decision isn't DEI driven, making her mory ugly? This one might be.

I always preferred playing as a woman in all games since I remember (TPP games that allowed it), it's probably because women are way more pleasant to look at? Of course when MC is ugly (and you can't change it) I don't care anymore... About character, not game itself (if it's good enough).

 

[Three]

What is the point of trying to insert real life actors into your game? What advantage does that get you? The only thing I can think of is perhaps using them in a real live action series or movie later; they are planning that from the get go vs having to plan it later and have to recast.

It gets you real performances.

 

[PeteBull]

Everyone on here is going to buy it, I have no doubt. It’s easy to support ‘the cause’ anonymously on NeoGAF, much harder to not play the latest ND blockbuster. Sales will be more than fine.

Bro, i didnt buy DA:V, didnt pirate it either and it didnt even have denuvo on pc, didnt buy tlou2 even tho i still have my ps4 to this day.
Just accept ppl are different, some of us really are disgusted by the propaganda many western dev studios tring to push nowadays, its not that we got some discipline trying not to play games we love, we simply cant stand those games, so we spend our valueable time and money into other ones, that are much more fun.
The only exception is to talk about it here, on GaF, we do it coz its very fun, if it wasnt fun to call out/point out all this weird shit we wouldnt do it either
Edit: To compare it to something obvious- guy doesnt have to have "dick discipline" to not fuck 50yo 400lbs beached whale with 3 chins, he is simply disgusted by such a creature, aka 0 attraction, which cant be negotiated

 

[sainraja]

It gets you real performances.

Yeah but they did that with Uncharted as well (mo-cap) did they not? Let me rephrase my question, why does the character also have to look like the real life actor they've chosen to do the voice? The whole point of my post and the conversation that I entered was regarding the trend of trying to make/model the character after the actor who is voicing them.