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[Woopah]

is this assuming no one who owned a SW had a console/PC to play those games?

i think the portable factor to play "real gamez" is way too overstated.

the other question is:
how expensive are these ports going to be?

But I think yes, we are going to see a lot of ports. I'm just not sure they are going to sell that well.

There was over half a billion third party sales on Switch, so that's a size software pie for publishers to aim for.

Switch 2 will aim to exceed that.

 

[Unknown?]

Wasn't a big criticism of Wii U that it got tons of ports of old games that everyone already played? Similar to how PC users don't care about a Sony game if it's a year or more late.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

There was over half a billion third party sales on Switch, so that's a size software pie for publishers to aim for.

Switch 2 will aim to exceed that.

ports of old titles?
or tailor made/less demanding third party games?

 

[CityHunter1981]

I think it will be a huge success.
It will already attract people who only owned a Switch, but no PlayStation or XBOX to catch up on some great games they have missed.

Furthermore it’s ideal for people who travel a lot, have a long commute to work etc to play some games they might have missed otherwise.

 

[Humdinger]

I suppose it would be appealing to people who want to play those games on the go (assuming they don't have a Portal that meets their needs). If your Switch is docked most of the time, as mine would be, you would want to play those third-party games on a stronger system.

 

[IntentionalPun]

"Debacle" lol.

 

[Gambit2483]

is this assuming no one who owned a SW had a console/PC to play those games?

i think the portable factor to play "real gamez" is way too overstated.

the other question is:
how expensive are these ports going to be?

But I think yes, we are going to see a lot of ports. I'm just not sure they are going to sell that well.

There's an entire generation of gamers that didn't own a PS4 or Xbox (many either younger or female) but are 100% hooked into the Nintendo ecosystem.

Then you have gamers that owned a PS4/Xbox but didn't pick up certain games and will be Swayed to get the port on Switch just have the game portably.

Games like;
Persona 5
Nier Automata
Ace Combat 7
And Red Dead Redemption have already shown to have increased overall game sales and performed extremely well on Switch. There's no reason why that phenomenon can't/won't continue on Switch 2

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

There's an entire generation of gamers that didn't own a PS4 or Xbox (many either younger or female) but are 100% hooked into the Nintendo ecosystem.

Then you have gamers that owned a PS4/Xbox but didn't pick up certain games and will be Swayed to get the port on Switch just have the game portably.

Games like;
Persona 5 This one was already on the SW.
Nier Automata
Ace Combat 7
And Red Dead Redemption have already shown to have increased overall game sales and performed extremely well on Switch. There's no reason why that phenomenon can't/won't continue on Switch 2

at 70 USD?

as I just said. I think we are going to see a lot of ports but I'm not sure they are going to sell that well (especially if they are at full price). the support will dwindle over time.

 

[Gambit2483]

at 70 USD?

as I just said. I think we are going to see a lot of ports but I'm not sure they are going to sell that well (especially if they are at full price). the support will dwindle over time.

Not every game will be released @ $70, esp if it's an older port. There are many games even on PS5 that don't release @ $70.

Publishers realize what they can and can't get away with when it comes to pricing, especially on a Nintendo platform and if it's an older port. Expect Only the newest games that cost the most to develop to release @ $70.

 

[Naked Lunch]

I think gaming really is doomed - for me at least.

Switch 2's main selling points are going to be portable (old hat) Elden Ring - and ultra safe, ultra casual Mario Kart. That is the template.
So third party support is going to heavily lean into all those Ps4/5 games that couldn't run on the switch.

More broadly - the notion of taking chances is over, completely.
The dream of F-Zero GX 2 is dead - never going to happen.

 

[Kotaro]

I just want From Soft games on Switch-2

Elden Ring
Sekiro
Bloodborne
Dark Souls 3
Armored Core 6

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

The difference is that literally none of that is particularly exciting to core gamers, who are 100% likely to have had a system capable of playing those games for like a decade already. If you really care about portability or are super casual, sure. But those sorts of games aren't the stuff that lets Nintendo get away with their weak hardware.

 

[Ozzie666]

Cross gen 'debacle'. Seriously, companies struggling enough to sell games these days. Only idiots would ignore a large profitable last gen install base.

It's pretty easy when it's not your money or shares or employees on the line to call it a cross gen a debacle. Some would call it good business.

Switch will be fine either way. Companies will port, remaster and remake.

 

[jufonuk]

I personally don't expect it besides the usual pubs that support nintendo.

 

[jufonuk]

The difference is that literally none of that is particularly exciting to core gamers, who are 100% likely to have had a system capable of playing those games for like a decade already. If you really care about portability or are super casual, sure. But those sorts of games aren't the stuff that lets Nintendo get away with their weak hardware.

But didn’t the Switch 1 already face a similar issue, Yet it sold like hotcakes ?

If it’s the same issue as before the switch 2 will get great Nintendo first party support. (Ok this time they might have less ports/remakes of older Nintendo games but let’s see ) indie games.
And depending on third party support remasters of older games or ports of current gen games. All the above gave me a shed load of games to play on my original switch. Sure it didn’t have the latest call of duty or FIFA but that's because the devs didn’t try. (See COD on Wii)

If lightning can strike twice the switch 2 will sell extremely well. Let’s see how it does. I’m betting 85-120 million sales.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

The difference is that literally none of that is particularly exciting to core gamers, who are 100% likely to have had a system capable of playing those games for like a decade already. If you really care about portability or are super casual, sure. But those sorts of games aren't the stuff that lets Nintendo get away with their weak hardware.

Xbox is dead, PlayStation is coasting, PC is for obese neckbeards

Nintendo is the core now motherfuckers

IR Information : Sales Data - Top Selling Title Sales Units

www.nintendo.co.jp

Nintendo Switch on track to be biggest selling console of all time

The Nintendo Switch has now outsold the PS2 in the US, but it still needs to dethrone it in the rest of the world

www.nme.com

 

[LordOcidax]

 

[Hayriko]

As long as nintendo comes with some form of performance booster for switch 1 games, where devs only have to release a simple patch to enable that.
I haven't played any of the zelda games because of the performace being mid

 

[meech]

Its me saying this. Their last cover was discussing about the bump between NS and NS2 specs.

Disbanking PS4pro speculations and putting NS2 near to base PS4.

Seriously comparing Amd to Nvidia "flops" and also ignoring that the base Ps4 has an architecture that is like a decade old now?? Thats not near Ps4, but likely far better.

 

[LordOcidax]

Its me saying this. Their last cover was discussing about the bump between NS and NS2 specs.

Disbanking PS4pro speculations and putting NS2 near to base PS4.

In Handheld mode the Switch 2 is 1.7Tf vs 1.8Tf PS4 of raw power according to the leak… HANDHELD MODE… Now add to the equation the more modern GPU, CPU + DLSS… Is not that hard guys and 3.1Tf in docked mode.

 

[Woopah]

ports of old titles?
or tailor made/less demanding third party games?

Mixture of both. Minecraft being the biggest port I would say.

Most publishers don't give platform breakdowns, but Capcom and Bandai Namco sometimes do. That's why we know that ports like Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma, Resistance Evil Revelations Collection and Dragon Ball Fighter Z sold over a million copies.

 

[Hyet]

NS2 has quite a few things going for it compared to NS1:

• Easier ports of more recent titles
• First graphical/power leap for Nintendo first party games in more than 10 years
• A slower transition from generation to generation in other consoles, opening up port oportunities
• A predecessor that is a proven sofware seller
• Integrated ecosystem with said predecessor, sharing digital shop
• An extremely sucessfull predecessor with an usebase very interested in a new iteration
• It's being made by the only console maker that still releases their games only on their platform

We know NS2 is on the PS4 ballpark with modern tech and just drawing power form a battery. The only debacle is wanting it to be bad because of console warring. But I have good news: another platform doing well doesn't make the console of your choice worse!

 

[GymWolf]

Being able to play old games in their worst form performance wise is a indeed a huge selling point.

 

[Hyet]

The portabilty, the exclusives are the selling point, and a great one since no other console offers them right now.
Third party support trough old and new games is just a symptom of a healthy enviroment as it was on switch.

 

[boo]

First world problem for me. There are far more good quality third party games for my old Switch than I will ever have time to play. So there will be even more on Switch 2? Guess I will have to live with it.

 

[Ozriel]

3rd party on a Nintendo machine sounds like a waste of money.
I'm betting Handheld PC's will be taking a bigger chunk of the Nintendo pie this go around.

Wrong on both counts.

And for Japanese games, third party games will probably sell more on Switch 2 than anywhere else.

at 70 USD?

as I just said. I think we are going to see a lot of ports but I'm not sure they are going to sell that well (especially if they are at full price). the support will dwindle over time

Ports of old games will be a thing for the first 6 months or so.
Going forward, it will be less of ‘ports’ and more of day one multiplatform releases.

Not sure I understand your point with respect to the price. If it’s $70 on PS5, it’ll be $70 on Switch 2. And support will rise over time.

 

[BlackTron]

Wasn't a big criticism of Wii U that it got tons of ports of old games that everyone already played? Similar to how PC users don't care about a Sony game if it's a year or more late.

Wouldn't it be better to compare to Switch 1 third party situation? Why go further back? To find a system with more differences from Switch 2 that people complained about more?

 

[Fake]

In Handheld mode the Switch 2 is 1.7Tf vs 1.8Tf PS4 of raw power according to the leak… HANDHELD MODE… Now add to the equation the more modern GPU, CPU + DLSS… Is not that hard guys and 3.1Tf in docked mode.

Base PS4. And we still have to confirm DLSS. The new MK teaser have no sights of DLSS at all, so we need to wait for any confirmation.

So keep your expectations in check, if possible.

 

[LordOcidax]

Base PS4. And we still have to confirm DLSS. The new MK teaser have no sights of DLSS at all, so we need to wait for any confirmation.

So keep your expectations in check, if possible.

Ps4 to PS4 Pro level of performance is the expectation that every sane person have here, i don’t know what are you talking about…. BTW, we already have patents from Nintendo that talk about DLSS, is more than confirmed at this point. Also, i already know the narrative that some of you are going to have when Nintendo shows their games… But but the PS5 version looks better.

 

[Woopah]

Base PS4. And we still have to confirm DLSS. The new MK teaser have no sights of DLSS at all, so we need to wait for any confirmation.

So keep your expectations in check, if possible.

DLSS and Tensor cores are confirmed from the Nvidia hack in 2022.

 

[StereoVsn]

is this assuming no one who owned a SW had a console/PC to play those games?

i think the portable factor to play "real gamez" is way too overstated.

the other question is:
how expensive are these ports going to be?

But I think yes, we are going to see a lot of ports. I'm just not sure they are going to sell that well.

You just know ports will be like $60-70 because every dev is going to try and cash in even if the games are selling for $10 during PSN/Xbox/Steam sales.

 

[StereoVsn]

I just want From Soft games on Switch-2

Elden Ring
Sekiro
Bloodborne
Dark Souls 3
Armored Core 6

Bloodborne??? lol.

The other games you could play right now on Steam Deck or other handhelds. They will probably run them as well as Switch 2 and there is all of PC library (minus the very recent AAA games that barely run at 30 fps on Xbox or PS5).

 

[Unknown?]

Wouldn't it be better to compare to Switch 1 third party situation? Why go further back? To find a system with more differences from Switch 2 that people complained about more?

Yeah possibly but I don't remember Switch being flooded with old 3rd party games like this Switch 2 hypothetical. It had some for sure but maybe I'm wrong.

Wii U had tons at launch window but maybe people didn't care with Switch because they could play them portably.

 

[BlackTron]

Yeah possibly but I don't remember Switch being flooded with old 3rd party games like this Switch 2 hypothetical. It had some for sure but maybe I'm wrong.

Uh........

 

[Shaki12345]

I suppose it would be appealing to people who want to play those games on the go (assuming they don't have a Portal that meets their needs). If your Switch is docked most of the time, as mine would be, you would want to play those third-party games on a stronger system.

So, you mean it's interesting for 150+ million people? Gotcha.

 

[The Infectious Paradox]

Call it Switch 2: Sloppy Seconds

 

[Shaki12345]

Being able to play old games in their worst form performance wise is a indeed a huge selling point.

Yeah, let's forget about all the Nintendo games.

 

[Unknown?]

Yeah, let's forget about all the Nintendo games.

No one is, he is saying that's a bad selling point. Can't just coast on potentially only one good launch game like N64.

 

[Humdinger]

So, you mean it's interesting for 150+ million people? Gotcha.

I thought that part was obvious to everyone (that lots of people use Switch as a handheld), but thank you for pointing it out.

 

[Fake]

DLSS and Tensor cores are confirmed from the Nvidia hack in 2022.

There are not yet any confirmation by Nintendo.

 

[Hyet]

No one is, he is saying that's a bad selling point. Can't just coast on potentially only one good launch game like N64.

You mean like the Switch coasted on Breath of the Wild? Yeah that can't possibly work

 

[Zacfoldor]

Yes it will, I can't imagine publishers not dumping all their games on this thing.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I have skipped many a AAA game this gen and last gen simply because I could not take them with me. Life is busy and gets in the way all the time. This while having a Series S and X and A PS5. I can not be bothered to be tethered to the television solely. For me if I start a game on Switch / Steam Deck and it hooks me then I will find time to play it docked but I do have the liberty to start games on the tv anymore. So I look forward to playing Elden Ring, Call of Duty Diablo 4 and whatever while at the office during the week.

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah, let's forget about all the Nintendo games.

 

[LordOcidax]

There are not yet any confirmation by Nintendo.

Even Nintendo is going to use the CUDA cores an and the TENSOR cores for their AI upscaler and you think that the Switch 2 is not going to use Nvidia DLSS… Really?.

 

[Fake]

Even Nintendo is going to use the CUDA cores an and the TENSOR cores for their AI upscaler and you think that the Switch 2 is not going to use Nvidia DLSS… Really?.

Never said Nintendo will not use DLSS. I said is to be confirmed.

Let your defense force shield down for a second.

 

[LordOcidax]

Never said Nintendo will not use DLSS. I said is to be confirmed.

Let your defense force shield down for a second.

Nintendo never confirm this kind of stuff… No even tech specs, since the Wii Era…

 

[Woopah]

There are not yet any confirmation by Nintendo.

Sure, but we can say that about everything. It being having 12GB of RAM or being Ampere-based is not confirmed either.

If we are only going by confirmed specs, then it doesn't make sense to talk about DF "debunking" anything. DF is using the leaks, not information confirmed by Nintendo.

 

[Dorago]

The PS5 and XBX don't have five system sellers which is why they fail.

Switch 2 will need to NOT do cross gen games and have strict backwards compatibility.

If you can play it on the old one why bother with the new one?

 

[Xaeroxcore666]

True, however we could see third parties abandon Series consoles before the generation is over if the S/X parity rule continues.

Similar to how Resident Evil 4 remake, for example, released on PS4 but not Xbox One due to the weakness of One S.

Where can i find info confirmed about this (No One RE 4 remake port due to weakness)? I mean, OG One/One S run RE Engine without any big issue, and also the gap between XBO and PS4 ain´t too big...