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[ArchedThunder]

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, is this all of the characters for the arcade release, or just the ones revealed so far?

EDIT: Whoops, sorry, shoulda read more posts in the thread.
Do we know how many characters will be in?

 

[-Cwalat-]

Is it just me, or has the Tekken team abandoned realism in the art for the series? I'm not talking about just the character designs, mind--Tekken has always been fairly ridiculous in that aspect--but rather the way in which they are rendered. Looking back on the Tekken 5 and 6 CG renders, the characters look a little less cartoonish than they do in these T7 renders. It seemed as though they used to be going for a more lifelike look before, and now... I don't know.

I guess Bryan grinning as he tries to squat out a turd doesn't help matters.

Here's some images for comparison

I'm with you on that. Those Tekken 7 renders seem Street-Fighter-ish in tone.

I prefer Tekken tag tournament (PS2) over all other Tekken games in terms of realism and tone of the entire game.

Case(pun intended) and point:

..also had the best soundtracks.

 

[Creaking]

Too true. Call me crazy, but I really liked the Tekken 4 character art. The portraits were so good, even Jin's emo-y type self. lol

They were pretty good, save perhaps for Marduk, who resembles an angry baby.

I'm with you on that. Those Tekken 7 renders seem Street-Fighter-ish in tone.

I prefer Tekken tag tournament (PS2) over all other Tekken games in terms of realism and tone of the entire game.

Case(pun intended) and point:

..also had the best soundtracks.

Oh yeah, I absolutely love that Kazuya picture. Never looked quite as cool again, if you ask me.

And I agree with you on the soundtrack (though I like a good bit of every Tekken soundtrack)

 

[Niitris]

Do we know how many characters will be in?

It was said around 35-40 some months ago.

 

[LowParry]

My Xiaoyu got a decent redesign

Uh, she looks exactly the fuck the same. She was top tier in Tekken 4 hand down and they dropped it.

 

[The Artisan]

Go Jin!

I'll be surprised if his ending is the true one, but I assume he is being avoided on purpose to create intrigue about just what happened to him. He'll always be the most important character to me but even with his previous endings always being true, Kazuya and Heihachi pushed a lot of the action between those.

Well the discrepancy for Tekken 6, is the fact that we have the scenario campaign ending, and we have Jin's arcade/story ending. If they're going by SC ending, then the intrigue you mentioned that they're trying to accomplish (and succeeding with) make sense.

And of course Kazuya and Heihachi will be receiving a lot of attention for the story. The entire story of Tekken has been the tragedies of the Mishima clan. That's what makes Jin, the heir to it, somewhat of a tragic hero.

Who is that in your avy btw?

 

[Creaking]

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, is this all of the characters for the arcade release, or just the ones revealed so far?

EDIT: Whoops, sorry, shoulda read more posts in the thread.
Do we know how many characters will be in?

No sure count. Definitely fewer than Tag 2, possibly fewer than Tekken 6. Harada said he thought 36-38 was a good number.

 

[Saven]

Starting to get a little worried that my main, Lei Wulong, won't be in. I haven't heard or seen anything about him appearing in this installment.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

They look like a bunch of rivals from a delinquent manga the main guy has to beat.
Especially Hwoarang.

Thanks I almost spit out my drink reading that. lol Very Scott-Pilgrim-ish

Starting to get a little worried that my main, Lei Wulong, won't be in. I haven't heard or seen anything about him appearing in this installment.

We got a Lei/Lee support line going here, would be a crime if either is omitted.

 

[-Cwalat-]

They were pretty good, save perhaps for Marduk, who resembles an angry baby.



Oh yeah, I absolutely love that Kazuya picture. Never looked quite as cool again, if you ask me.

And I agree with you on the soundtrack (though I like a good bit of every Tekken soundtrack)

True.

 

[Numb]

They were pretty good, save perhaps for Marduk, who resembles an angry baby.

I hated it too.
They should have picked the long haired one instead.
Made him look like a sick bike riding metal-head

 

[Creaking]

I hated it too.
They should have picked the long haired one instead.
Made him look like a sick bike riding metal-head

Man, he and Paul "Ain't My Style" Phoenix should have been rivals. Or buddies.

 

[ArchedThunder]

It was said around 35-40 some months ago.

No sure count. Definitely fewer than Tag 2, possibly fewer than Tekken 6. Harada said he thought 36-38 was a good number.

So 45-ish for the console version then? Sounds pretty damn good to me.

 

[Niitris]

Uh, she looks exactly the fuck the same. She was top tier in Tekken 4 hand down and they dropped it.

I miss Tekken 4 Xiaoyu too.

 

[-Cwalat-]

Man, he and Paul "Ain't My Style" Phoenix should have been rivals. Or buddies.

Really enjoyed the story of Marduk in Tekken 4. Great integration with Armor King and King storyline.

 

[The Artisan]

So 45-ish for the console version then? Sounds pretty damn good to me.

pretty sure Harada said the final roster isn't gonna be as huge as Tekken 6/Tag 2.

 

[Creaking]

Really enjoyed the story of Marduk in Tekken 4. Great integration with Armor King and King storyline.

I guess so, but now it's continuing at such a plodding pace. It seems like each game serves only to introduce a single new twist to it. Then again, it's still better than the large majority of the post-Tekken 4 stories.

 

[The Artisan]

I guess so, but now it's continuing at such a plodding pace. It seems like each game serves only to introduce a single new twist to it. Then again, it's still better than the large majority of the post-Tekken 4 stories.

yeah. I hate all the retconning they do in the series. I'm pretty sure T3 established that Ogre killed Baek and Wang, but they brought them both back in T5 and retconned to them being "severely injured, on the brink of death" or whatever. I honestly think they were brought back just to beef up the roster.

I also didn't like how King 2 so easily forgave Marduk after their second fight.

 

[Cat]

Well the discrepancy for Tekken 6, is the fact that we have the scenario campaign ending, and we have Jin's arcade/story ending. If they're going by SC ending, then the intrigue you mentioned that they're trying to accomplish (and succeeding with) make sense.

And of course Kazuya and Heihachi will be receiving a lot of attention for the story. The entire story of Tekken has been the tragedies of the Mishima clan. That's what makes Jin, the heir to it, somewhat of a tragic hero.

Who is that in your avy btw?

If they picked only between only those two, I think they'd go with T6SC's post-credits scene (Beneath the Sand). I didn't think Kazuya's ending could be true but with the long black coat in his render, I'm leaning that way and that it's possible to be mixed with the T6SC ending.

My avatar's Fang from Final Fantasy 13.

 

[The Artisan]

If they picked only between only those two, I think they'd go with T6SC's post-credits scene (Beneath the Sand). I didn't think Kazuya's ending could be true but with the long black coat in his render, I'm leaning that way and that it's possible to be mixed with the T6SC ending.

My avatar's Fang from Final Fantasy 13.

I definitely don't think they're using Kazuya's ending. After T5 was revealed to be following Jin's ending, we all thought Kazuya beat Heihachi in T4 but they revealed he did not (which was stupid if you ask me, if you played through Heihachi's and Kazuya's story in T4 you know what I mean), but he got back his purple suit in T5 anyway.

I also didn't finish playing T6's SC, so I don't know what happens to all the main characters there. I just know Jin goes down trying to kill Azazel.

Ah, I had a feeling that was a FFS character.

 

[Cat]

I definitely don't think they're using Kazuya's ending. After T5 was revealed to be following Jin's ending, we all thought Kazuya beat Heihachi in T4 but they revealed he did not (which was stupid if you ask me, if you played through Heihachi's and Kazuya's story in T4 you know what I mean), but he got back his purple suit in T5 anyway.

I also didn't finish playing T6's SC, so I don't know what happens to all the main characters there. I just know Jin goes down trying to kill Azazel.

Ah, I had a feeling that was a FFS character.

Well...I'd love to be wrong. I try to prepare myself for the worst (or that anything can happen) when it comes to Tekken.

The scene I'm referring to is here if you want to see it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY48Rlrqhhc

A basic summary if you're not up for watching a video is that

Spoiler

Raven and some soldiers find find him in the sand, saying they think they're the first ones to find him. Raven tells them to pack up the specimen and the camera zooms in on what we assume to be Jin's upper body face down with devil mark is still visible.

 

[The Artisan]

Well...I'd love to be wrong. I try to prepare myself for the worst (or that anything can happen) when it comes to Tekken.

The scene I'm referring to is here if you want to see it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY48Rlrqhhc

A basic summary if you're not up for watching a video is that

Spoiler

Raven and some soldiers find find him in the sand, saying they think they're the first ones to find him. Raven tells them to pack up the specimen and the camera zooms in on what we assume to be Jin's upper body face down with devil mark is still visible.

ah, I knew about the ending and

Spoiler

how they find Jin laying in the sand.

So from what you and I were talking about before, I believe they will either take this ending, or this ending ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WngIiUUlORg. Although that one isn't likely because Nina, Kazuya, and Heihachi all die in it right? Also it doesn't really tell us anything.

I thought, you were talking about this ending ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkGN2iRWayU that for sure they are not using. At least, I highly doubt it.

I guess the most likely scenario... is the scenario campaign ending. Otherwise, what was the point of that whole thing, you know?

 

[Cat]

ah, I knew about the ending and

Spoiler

how they find Jin laying in the sand.

So from what you and I were talking about before, I believe they will either take this ending, or this ending ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WngIiUUlORg. Although that one isn't likely because Nina, Kazuya, and Heihachi all die in it right? Also it doesn't really tell us anything.

I thought, you were talking about this ending ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkGN2iRWayU that for sure they are not using. At least, I highly doubt it.

I guess the most likely scenario... is the scenario campaign ending. Otherwise, what was the point of that whole thing, you know?

I meant a mix of the sand ending and Kazuya's ending. For Jin's ending, I doubt they all would have died and just assumed they were unconscious. It doesn't outright tell us much of anything, but his devil mark on his arm seems to be gone.

I resented Scenario Campaign a great deal when I picked up the game and still do, so I can't answer that without going off on a tirade. I didn't mind that last scene though since it focused on Jin and left his fate open-ended.

 

[The Artisan]

I meant a mix of the sand ending and Kazuya's ending. For Jin's ending, I doubt they all would have died and just assumed they were unconscious. It doesn't outright tell us much of anything, but his devil mark on his arm seems to be gone.

I resented Scenario Campaign a great deal when I picked up the game and still do, so I can't answer that without going off on a tirade. I didn't mind that last scene though since it focused on Jin and left his fate open-ended.

well, what happens to Kazuya in the SC? Like I said I didn't play through it entirely so I don't know what happened to the main characters.

And yeah. The wait for Tekken 6 was a huge debacle for me when they announced that it was no longer multiplatform and delayed for another year. Probably because it was no longer multiplatform.

 

[Cat]

well, what happens to Kazuya in the SC? Like I said I didn't play through it entirely so I don't know what happened to the main characters.

He calls out Lars for being the sick joke of a character that he is and leaves before everything goes down with Azazel the first time.

 

[The Artisan]

He calls out Lars for being the sick joke of a character that he is and leaves before everything goes down with Azazel the first time.

lol, yeah I gotta be honest I'm not a fan of Lars, nor of the notion of trying to replace Jin with him as the main character. Jin will always be #1.

also, did you mention seeing Jin's devil mark disappear in his or Kazuya's ending? Because I thought it was still present in SC

 

[Shun]

Shoulda dropped Xiaoyu for Miharu.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

lol, yeah I gotta be honest I'm not a fan of Lars, nor of the notion of trying to replace Jin with him as the main character. Jin will always be #1.

also, did you mention seeing Jin's devil mark disappear in his or Kazuya's ending? Because I thought it was still present in SC

I also absolutely dislike Lars and feel he's unneeded clutter added to the Tekken "story" I was fine with the number if Mishimas we had. Alisa's alright, but meh to Lars

Shoulda dropped Xiaoyu for Miharu.

She was adorable

 

[Cat]

lol, yeah I gotta be honest I'm not a fan of Lars, nor of the notion of trying to replace Jin with him as the main character. Jin will always be #1.

also, did you mention seeing Jin's devil mark disappear in his or Kazuya's ending? Because I thought it was still present in SC

T6SC sand ending - Devil mark on arm
Kazuya ending - Jin is in devil form so would still have the mark on his arm
Jin ending - pretty sure there is no devil mark on arm, sometimes it's purposely obscured but the most obvious spot is when he's using his arm to shield his eyes before Heihachi drops Nina out of the chopper
Devil Jin ending - loses devil form, no mark on arm

I also absolutely dislike Lars and feel he's unneeded clutter added to the Tekken "story" I was fine with the number if Mishimas we had. Alisa's alright, but meh to Lars

This is a mild version of how I feel. I really really like Alisa's moveset, she's become my second main after Devil Jin, and heavily customize her to look more like this, but I don't care for her portrayal in Scenario Campaign.

 

[The Artisan]

Shoulda dropped Xiaoyu for Miharu.

One of Jin's love interests? I think not. Keep em both, I say.

I also absolutely dislike Lars and feel he's unneeded clutter added to the Tekken "story" I was fine with the number if Mishimas we had. Alisa's alright, but meh to Lars



She was adorable

I agree. Adding Lars ruined the story. Then again, after Tekken 3, a lot of things ruined the story. Lars just added on to the garbage.

I didn't like Alisa much either. In fact, I hated how Blood Vengeance featured her as a main character. I didn't care about her... they should've had another character accompany Xiaoyu. Miharu would've made sense. Hell maybe even Asuka. Speaking of Asuka... even though her T5 ending was not canon, are they ever gonna expand upon what they implied in it?

Spoiler

2 things happened: it was revealed that Asuka's touch undoes the devil gene, and also had a nice incestuous moment between her and Jin. I'm assuming cousins getting it on isn't so taboo in Japan.

T6SC sand ending - Devil mark on arm
Kazuya ending - Jin is in devil form so would still have the mark on his arm
Jin ending - pretty sure there is no devil mark on arm, sometimes it's purposely obscured but the most obvious spot is when he's using his arm to shield his eyes before Heihachi drops Nina out of the chopper
Devil Jin ending - loses devil form, no mark on arm

Another thing about Tekken 6 that I hated - I hated how they made it so that anyone could've just had the Devil Gene. It absolutely destroyed what the lore established about the Devil gene cursing the Mishima bloodline sans Kazuya. ugh.

But yeah. It's strange how Jin doesn't have his tattoo in his ending, but does in SC. Considering in both stories, it is after his fight with Azazel. Could it be they just forgot to put it there?

 

[Cat]

Another thing about Tekken 6 that I hated - I hated how they made it so that anyone could've just had the Devil Gene. It absolutely destroyed what the lore established about the Devil gene cursing the Mishima bloodline sans Kazuya. ugh.

I was more angry about other things, but I didn't like that either.

But yeah. It's strange how Jin doesn't have his tattoo in his ending, but does in SC. Considering in both stories, it is after his fight with Azazel. Could it be they just forgot to put it there?

No, I think it's intentional and done to create the intrigue about his status I mentioned earlier. I just replayed Jin's arena mode recently. He has a specific sequence of Lars, Azazel, Kazuya, Heihachi and in specifically designated stages too.

 

[The Artisan]

I was more angry about other things, but I didn't like that either.

I see. What annoyed you the most?

No, I think it's intentional and done to create the intrigue about his status I mentioned earlier. I just replayed Jin's arena mode recently. He has a specific sequence of Lars, Azazel, Kazuya, Heihachi and in specifically designated stages too.

It's been a while since I played T6, is arena mode just the regular story mode for all the characters? And those were the characters Jin faced?

I feel like it's really random for them to take out the tattoo in his ending. There was nothing really spectacular about it. In any case, I think the most likely ending they will go with is SC.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

I didn't like Alisa much either. In fact, I hated how Blood Vengeance featured her as a main character. I didn't care about her... they should've had another character accompany Xiaoyu. Miharu would've made sense. Hell maybe even Asuka. Speaking of Asuka... even though her T5 ending was not canon, are they ever gonna expa?

True, I also disliked how focused the story was on Ling and Alisa. Although, we all know who stole the show in Blood Vengeance...

 

[bangbang i'm a timpani]

is the volcano that the mishimas keep throwing each other into a playable character yet

 

[Cat]

I see. What annoyed you the most?

Lars.

It's been a while since I played T6, is arena mode just the regular story mode for all the characters? And those were the characters Jin faced?

I feel like it's really random for them to take out the tattoo in his ending. There was nothing really spectacular about it. In any case, I think the most likely ending they will go with is SC.

Arena is the closest thing to story mode, yes. Unlike T5, it has no interim cut scenes along the path and is shortened to 4 battles instead of 8-9. No voice-over for the prologes for that matter. Yes, those were the characters Jin faced. Most characters face various people, and Kazuya does a specific path too, but the earlier stages change. Jin's is ALWAYS Lars in the throne room, Azazel in the tomb, Kazuya and Heihachi outside in the ruins before they collapse.

If you watch the T3 console opening, there's a part where a light flashes onto Jin's arm, a purple whispy spirit appears before dissipating, and Jin looks to see the tattoo imprinted on him as if it was just burned on him there. I always assumed this was Devil giving it to him. While not canon, Jin touches the tattoo in his Street Fighter x Tekken ending when the Pandora box cannot help remove his devil gene.

Worth noting in T4, they play with the tattoo on his arms there too. The one on the left arm disappears and becomes replaced by different sort of markings on both arms. They haven't appeared on him since a T5 prologue image (Jin or Devil Jin, can't remember off-hand).

 

[Manbig]

is the volcano that the mishimas keep throwing each other into a playable character yet

That's only happened two times...

 

[Cat]

True, I also disliked how focused the story was on Ling and Alisa. Although, we all know who stole the show in Blood Vengeance...

I love TKBV. Many complaints or criticisms are fair, but there are no words for how happy I was to see a three-way Mishima fight followed be a devil fight. That was a dream. The only thing to make it better would be at least Jin's T5 Devil Jin design.

Lee was fun too though, yes.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Uh, she looks exactly the fuck the same. She was top tier in Tekken 4 hand down and they dropped it.

She was garbage in 4. They took out half her good moves that were in 3, and Tag. Luckily they reinstated them with more in 5. Her designs were nice though.

I'm comparing T7 Xiao to T6 Xiao though...her hair is slightly different, longer and more stylized on the ponytails, and she looks a bit older. I like that, and hopefully they give her a bigger role in this game since this one is about the story

 

[Passive Assassin]

so ... is it against the TOS to ask about a tekken crash restream?

 

[The Artisan]

True, I also disliked how focused the story was on Ling and Alisa. Although, we all know who stole the show in Blood Vengeance...

Lee was cool, but I also hate how they retconned part of his story too. For long time players of the series, you know he and Anna had a little romance so I was looking forward to seeing some chemistry between the two but they decide to make it so they don't know each other -_-

then again, BV isn't even canon, is it

Lars.



Arena is the closest thing to story mode, yes. Unlike T5, it has no interim cut scenes along the path and is shortened to 4 battles instead of 8-9. No voice-over for the prologes for that matter. Yes, those were the characters Jin faced. Most characters face various people, and Kazuya does a specific path too, but the earlier stages change. Jin's is ALWAYS Lars in the throne room, Azazel in the tomb, Kazuya and Heihachi outside in the ruins before they collapse.

If you watch the T3 console opening, there's a part where a light flashes onto Jin's arm, a purple whispy spirit appears before dissipating, and Jin looks to see the tattoo imprinted on him as if it was just burned on him there. I always assumed this was Devil giving it to him. While not canon, Jin touches the tattoo in his Street Fighter x Tekken ending when the Pandora box cannot help remove his devil gene.

Worth noting in T4, they play with the tattoo on his arms there too. The one on the left arm disappears and becomes replaced by different sort of markings on both arms. They haven't appeared on him since a T5 prologue image (Jin or Devil Jin, can't remember off-hand).

Okay, I know what mode you're talking about. I just never played that much. We don't know if SFxT is canon, but one thing I hope to take from it is that it is hinting for something more with JinxXiao.

Another thing about Devil Jin in T4 is, he gets the marking on his body & wings, but never the 3rd eye. That to me means it wasn't complete Devil Jin; it was still Jin in the head, but the Devil in him was coming out. As for his tattoo being replaced with several others, I think it was just Namco at the time experimenting on how they'd like Devil Jin to look like.

 

[Lost Cloud]

Those are some awesome renders! Dragunov's though -- that's fantastic, my favorite render of his by far. Nice one for Leo too, very dramatic! I was hoping she'd have even more belts now though.

I'm not liking Lars' new costume much at all from that image, his T6 one was much better. I also don't understand why Lars is one of the few to get a new costume. I mean, he's from T6, shouldn't an older character, say Hwoarang (who, in my opinion, really needs a new costume) have gotten one?

And I wonder what's up with Claudio's mirror image? I don't remember seeing anything like that in his gameplay... Kinda an odd look for a character render, but I'll be interested to see where that concept comes into play in the final game. EDIT: Now I just hope that all of the characters will have new intro and winning moves at least since they don't have new costumes for the most part.

 

[The Artisan]

Those are some awesome renders! Dragunov's though -- that's fantastic, my favorite render of his by far. Nice one for Leo too, very dramatic! I was hoping she'd have even more belts now though.

I'm not liking Lars' new costume much at all from that image, his T6 one was much better. I also don't understand why Lars is one of the few to get a new costume. I mean, he's from T6, shouldn't an older character, say Hwoarang (who, in my opinion, really needs a new costume) have gotten one?

And I wonder what's up with Claudio's mirror image? I don't remember seeing anything like that in his gameplay... Kinda an odd look for a character render, but I'll be interested to see where that concept comes into play in the final game.

Fuck Lars. That render/costume makes him look like a digimon.

And I think Claudio is rumored to have some Devil gene capabilities

 

[Doomshine]

so ... is it against the TOS to ask about a tekken crash restream?

Youtube not ok? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttLmYjp5Jyk

 

[Creaking]

Those are some awesome renders! Dragunov's though -- that's fantastic, my favorite render of his by far. Nice one for Leo too, very dramatic! I was hoping she'd have even more belts now though.

I'm not liking Lars' new costume much at all from that image, his T6 one was much better. I also don't understand why Lars is one of the few to get a new costume. I mean, he's from T6, shouldn't an older character, say Hwoarang (who, in my opinion, really needs a new costume) have gotten one?

Hwoarang got a new costume in Tekken 6. He's had more costume changes than most characters.

3/Tag

4

5

6/Tag 2

 

[Biker19]

Tekken 2: Heihachi (remember, this is when Kazuya showed his true colours and became all twisted and shit. Kazuya's Mishima Zaibatsu was waaay more twisted/evil than Hei's)

To be honest, it was all Devil Kazuya's doing as he completely took over Kazuya's mind &/or soul after Tekken 1; Not even Kazuya as he originally was would be able to do all of that.

It's also precisely one of the reasons why Jun Kazama entered the tournament to completely free Kazuya from Devil.

 

[MrCookiepants]

T7 Hwoarang has T5's top and T6's bottom half, lol.

 

[UrbanDandy]

It's going to be like old days of TEKKEN (which I prefer). That time release!

What's the roster like now?

 

[Creaking]

T7 Hwoarang has T5's top and T6's bottom half, lol.

Hey, you're right, I didn't even realize that. Well, it's clearly the same model as the top from 6, but it's colored to look like the one from five now.

 

[Lost Cloud]

Hwoarang got a new costume in Tekken 6. He's had more costume changes than most characters.

Guess I should've done some research for what older character deserved a new costume more than Lars before I used Hwoarang as an example. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm mainly just not a fan of Hwoarang's main costume design for the last few Tekken games so that's why I mentioned him.

Fuck Lars. That render/costume makes him look like a digimon.

And I think Claudio is rumored to have some Devil gene capabilities

Haha, I wouldn't have thought to describe Lars' costume like that, but yeah, that works; It's just not a good costume at all. Maybe it'll look better during actual gameplay though.

And if Claudio's got something to do with the Devil Gene, then I guess anything's possible for him. That certainly would explain his seemingly "magic" powers.

 

[Vazra]

Tekken needs a redesign. I even liked the SF Vs Tekken looks more than the recent looks because of how expressive and colorful they looked.