Badlucktroll
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[The Information] Nadella considered winding down Gaming (Xbox) business in 2021; chose to pursue an acquisition-based strategy instead
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Unknown Soldier
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My guess is Satya will indeed go back to plan A which is winding down Xbox but now that they own major publishers/studios like Bethesda and Activision Blizzard they will remain a 3rd party game publisher and developer
With the hoodie & blazer lol
mayham2199
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This doesn’t make sense then the revenue would just drop back down and stay down for a long time. Making a change like that won’t just have everyone immediately jump back into your ecosystem. It will take years to recover if ever.
phant0m
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They’re (hopefully) doing what they should:
Hardware is dead, make an XboxOS. Handheld market is fucking RIPE begging for an OS that supports all Windows games but is fully built for controller and cuts out the bloat.
I reckon they have 13 months before SteamOS takes it all so get your shit together MS. Make a good gaming-focused OS.
DeepEnigma
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This is fine everything is ok
Moriarty1889
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Utterly pitiful how badly they have fucked up the Xbox brand. Imbeciles.
Lol well played lol
Jaybe
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Even from the early days:
“Ballmer "would want to talk to us about how we're thinking about subscriptions and what the value proposition was, and what went behind the subscription wall, and what was in front of the subscription wall.””
Microsoft's Xbox: What's Ballmer got to do with it?
Outgoing Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer played a bigger role in establishing the Xbox as Microsoft's stake in the living room than many realize.
www.zdnet.com
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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GamePass in its current form is toast. I expect MS to pivot again in a wild way. It’s crazy how MS is making the same dumb mistakes they’ve made with all their products from Xbox to Zune to Windows Phones and now to GamePass. They can’t seem to get anything right when it comes to gaming and entertainment. Xbox hardware is definitely living on borrowed time because Satya is definitely coming with that axe soon enough.
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vaibhavpisal
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Thats great they went with this.
Would’ve been a bloodbath for industry without acquisition $s.
A lot of great studios would’ve met Mimimi games / Ubisoft fate.
Would’ve been a bloodbath for industry without acquisition $s.
A lot of great studios would’ve met Mimimi games / Ubisoft fate.
Who is buying them? This is not a hyperbolic question, I just don't see many people buying an Xbox because there is little to no incentive to do so.
drganon
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Tango and arkane say hi.
Lord Malachite
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Do PS5 and Series combined even have 100 million units sold? Because it feels like you'd need about every PS and Xbox gamer subbed to Gamepass to hit theze goals. That's utterly delusional. Was anyone reality checking when this goal was announced?
ChorizoPicozo
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am i reading wrong this chart? it seems is a combination of console +PC+ cloud.
Kacho
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Their pie in the sky goal was to cultivate an army of Xbros in India using xCloud on their android phones. For a while there, Phil couldn’t stop talking about the billions of gamers around the globe.
ChorizoPicozo
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it seems this outlet is not your average one. look at their pricesWell with the name " The Information " it must be true.
It should be close to 100 million right now over 70m for PS5 & around 30m for Xbox Series
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vaibhavpisal
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That is one way to look at it.
Another way is to see all the studio under them making stuff they always wanted and we getting gems like Pentiment, Indiana Jones etc.
Little Chicken
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Meanwhile, Sony gives absolutely nothing and are rewarded with increasing market share, go figure.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I can't for the documentary about the fall of Xbox. A three trillion dollar company can't even spend enough to make gains.
Self High Five
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Some people on reddit are very optimistic
they'll hit 40m this year. You people are crazy. Avowed, Doom, The Outer Worlds 2, Expedition 33, Fable, South of Midnight, COD. This is gonna be the year they cross 50m
Little Chicken
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How does thay even make sense.
The way Freegunners put Microsoft at the centre of unhinged conspiracy theories all the time is hilarious
Radical_3d
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Of course I'm going to quote myself here
Xbox as a console brand seems to be really dying lately can Scarlett change that or will it be a short lived project?
There was more hype around Xbox Scorpio than there is around Scarlett , Xbox One X started off with a nice push from Microsoft but it seems like they quickly gave up on it you can get a Xbox One X for $402 right now but no one seems to care that it's $97 off . You can get the Xbox One S A.D for...www.neogaf.com
Posts that you can hear.I asked Copilot to write me a song and I made an edit or two...(all in fun Xbox bros.)
A long, long time ago
I can still remember how that console used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those gamers dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while
But January made me shiver
With every acquisition they'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried
When I read about the billions tied
But something touched me deep inside
The day the Xbox died
So bye-bye, my dear Xbox, goodbye
Drove my Afeela to the levee but the levee was dry
And them gamer boys were drinking whiskey and Prime
Singin' this'll be the day that it died
This'll be the day that it died
Did you write the book of games
And do you have faith in Microsoft's aims
If the console tells you so?
Now do you believe in Forza and Halo?
Can gaming save your mortal soul?
And can you teach me how to stream on the go?
I started singing bye-bye, my dear Xbox, goodbye
Drove my Afeela to the levee but the levee was dry
And them gamer boys were drinking whiskey and Prime
Singin' this'll be the day that it died
This'll be the day that it died
...
clarky
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And like clockwork NeoGaf's Nostradamus turns up to show everyone how right he was, not that anyone gives 2 fucks, but thanks.Of course I'm going to quote myself here
Xbox as a console brand seems to be really dying lately can Scarlett change that or will it be a short lived project?
There was more hype around Xbox Scorpio than there is around Scarlett , Xbox One X started off with a nice push from Microsoft but it seems like they quickly gave up on it you can get a Xbox One X for $402 right now but no one seems to care that it's $97 off . You can get the Xbox One S A.D for...
Just like a switch 2 leaker if you post enough shite some of it maybe right.
More Mystic Meg than Nostradamus I'd say actually.
Nice work!
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OmegaSupreme
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Lots of idiots on Reddit
Sooner
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And it only took 2700% spending and operating costs.
Sooner
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Topher
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Most of the time his quoted posts relate to the current thread only in an extremely general sense. It's just bizarre.
ChorizoPicozo
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[Activision] has been disappointing,” said Denny Fish, a Janus Henderson Investors portfolio manager who oversees two funds that included a total of more than $800 million in Microsoft stock as of November.
""I just think the majority of the game market doesn't really want a game pass" like the one Microsoft is offering, said Gus Zinn, a portfolio manager of the Macquarie Science and Technology Fund"
"Several leading game studios have resisted Microsoft's pitch that they should put their titles on Game Pass in exchange for fees that Microsoft offers to pay to the gaming studios, according to people familiar with the discussions"
""I just think the majority of the game market doesn't really want a game pass" like the one Microsoft is offering, said Gus Zinn, a portfolio manager of the Macquarie Science and Technology Fund"
"Several leading game studios have resisted Microsoft's pitch that they should put their titles on Game Pass in exchange for fees that Microsoft offers to pay to the gaming studios, according to people familiar with the discussions"
Interfectum
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When will Phil be ‘retired’? End of this year?
ShaiKhulud1989
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I bet Satya was ok with 3rd party publishing even back then and was gonna axe Xbox as a hardware platform.
Now he is going to axe Xbox as a hardware platform regardless but this time with almost $100b operating loss on his hands. Magnificent.
Kinda proves that no amount of money can buy you competence in a specific market niche.
Now he is going to axe Xbox as a hardware platform regardless but this time with almost $100b operating loss on his hands. Magnificent.
Kinda proves that no amount of money can buy you competence in a specific market niche.
Conflict NZ
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"I just think the majority of the game market doesn't really want a game pass" like the one Microsoft is offering, said Gus Zinn, a portfolio manager of the Macquarie Science and Technology Fund"
Every single console owner that has online service is paying for a version of gamepass, if the market didn't want it then Nintendo or Sony would wind their offerings up in a second and save millions of dollars. This opinion is severely uninformed about the state of the market.
As for the future of gamepass and growth, Microsoft's output has been anemic. Since gamepass launched they haven't put out more than one game in a year that reviewed well and had mainstream appeal until this year with BO6 and Indiana Jones. We'll have a better idea in 12-18 months if gamepass has a future, if Microsoft doesn't give up before then. Their current subscriber numbers are pretty close to what they estimated their console growth would be, but they are nowhere near their PC or Cloud estimates. Cloud in particular has seemingly hit a brick wall and has almost no mass market appeal.
Every single console owner that has online service is paying for a version of gamepass, if the market didn't want it then Nintendo or Sony would wind their offerings up in a second and save millions of dollars. This opinion is severely uninformed about the state of the market.
As for the future of gamepass and growth, Microsoft's output has been anemic. Since gamepass launched they haven't put out more than one game in a year that reviewed well and had mainstream appeal until this year with BO6 and Indiana Jones. We'll have a better idea in 12-18 months if gamepass has a future, if Microsoft doesn't give up before then. Their current subscriber numbers are pretty close to what they estimated their console growth would be, but they are nowhere near their PC or Cloud estimates. Cloud in particular has seemingly hit a brick wall and has almost no mass market appeal.
Heisenberg007
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It's only a matter of time they will start selling their studios and IPs more aggressively.
XGS has become too big to be sustainable. Their games aren't that good to sell millions of copies, even if they are on PC, PlayStation, Switch, etc. Their Game Pass growth would slow even more now because Xbox userbase will shrink faster.
Eventually, they will start shutting down studios and selling studios + IPs to keep operational expenses low.
XGS has become too big to be sustainable. Their games aren't that good to sell millions of copies, even if they are on PC, PlayStation, Switch, etc. Their Game Pass growth would slow even more now because Xbox userbase will shrink faster.
Eventually, they will start shutting down studios and selling studios + IPs to keep operational expenses low.
drganon
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Try not to cope so hard you hurt yourself.
balls of snow
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Money cant buy class or a fanbase it seems. Feel bad for the devs under ms portfolio but so long as they keep putting out games on psn and steam I'll buy em.
Firestartah
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That was in 2021, and would have agreed to you. But this is no longer the case when they payed almost 70 billion for Activision, now they need to make it work or heads will roll. What I mean is revenue-wise, going software focus, the console in done tbh, yes they gonna make a new one but it will sell badly and it will be their last.
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The goal was based on PC and cloud growth. This is the chart of their projections
HerjansEagleFeeder
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That's precisely the kind of messaging that makes people rather buy a PlayStation. Well done, Nadella.
I see you beat me to it. I think MS at this point know this strategy isn't happening anymore, they've killed their midgen (falsely claiming it was Series X) and their universal wireless controller (Sibel) they're going to ride it out as a third party publisher and release hardware sooner than 2028.
am i reading wrong this chart? it seems is a combination of console +PC+ cloud.
Cyberpunkd
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That’s because Kotick is a really good businessman.
MacReady13
Member
Yep. Since the Kinect was released for 360, they’ve gone downhill very quickly. From a jumbled Xbone pre launch to a console that was rushed missing many features, then bundling that shit Kinect in with the Xbone they really stuffed up that consoles chances of ever succeeding.
Then they went and decided that they didn’t need 1st party games OR acquire some 2nd/3rd party exclusive games to entice customers to stay on their consoles.
Then the final nail in the coffin- abandon exclusive games for a fucking rental service. That’s where they finally lost me for good. Sad really- I was an Xbox exclusive gamer for a long while there. They’ve completely lost their soul.
spons
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At least they had a proper vision on gaming back then. Hipster or not, he just sat down and explained it during an E3 conference.
It was about online gaming, friends, first-party titles and achievements. Regardless of what you think about these points, at least they had points instead of whatever they're doing now. The thing that comes closest to Microsoft's current public vision on Xbox was that weird round-table on YouTube early last year they did after a total shit storm.
I've said it multiple times but I still believe they cannot just kill the entire thing off, as Nadella says it needs to wind down. You can't just plain shut it down without severe backlash from gamers, consumer organizations and governments. They'll be torn several extra assholes by all of them if they don't refund like Google did with Stadia, or at the very least give a year (or 2 in the EU) notice.
Astray
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There are people still buying. Mostly normies who like to game and don't follow the news.
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