Boris the Spider finally crawled out of his web of lies. See the last 2 or 3 pages for details.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Boris the Spider finally crawled out of his web of lies. See the last 2 or 3 pages for details.
HazySaiyan
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BoJo got fucking bodied by Cameron. Serves you right you mopheaded cunt.
cormack12
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Can see it now, England will stumble past Iceland in the euros, end up playing France (and maybe) Germany and it will be presented as a metaphor for England versus the EU. Johnson will jump on the media to portray it like this, hoping it unites the country to stick it to the EU publicly. We'll fail, lose 4-0 and be embarrassed, exiting the competition with our tails between our legs after being slapped all over the place.
Then we'll have British Bulldog pictures in the tabloids saying were free and can look forward without the shadow of these European nations looming over us.....
Good ole British predictability.
Then we'll have British Bulldog pictures in the tabloids saying were free and can look forward without the shadow of these European nations looming over us.....
Good ole British predictability.
bubububu he wasn't part of the official Leave campaign
SporeCrawler
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Leave-Voters are something special.
Britain must trigger exit talks in just TWO DAYS, says top EU official as he calls for negotiations to start at summit on Tuesday
http://www.*****************/news/a...xit-talks-just-TWO-DAYS-says-EU-official.html <- Daily Mail
Didnt they say they want to leave? Now they want to stay?
Long story short - all the Tories have bottled it and gone to ground, Boris backtracking already and sounds like a pro-Remain supporter, and Labour continues its omnishambles.
Sevenfold
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-Plasma Reus-
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We're all in a terrible place right now. None of us are thinking clearly.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Boris allowed to keep writing those columns if he's PM?
Audioboxer
Member
Hah it's really just so we can do all the Brexit euro jokes.
He took brexiters down with him.
PJV3
Member
We failed, utterly failed.
SymbiantXenos
Member
We want to go.
Ok then go.
No not yet.
We'd really rather you did.
Na naa nana naaaa.
Sevenfold
Member
Just get someone to uninstall word on his PC.
Boris's comments over the past 15 years have always been ambiguous in support or not support of the EU (he definitely supported the single market). The purpose of him supporting the Leave campaign was a political ploy to PM.
EDIT: here's an example of various ambiguous quotes
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/21/boris-johnson-eu-brexit-supports_n_9286400.html
Alx
Member
It may be a clever move for its own purpose, but it's also one that puts UK in more trouble due to the long transition and lack of leadership. It's sacrificing the country for a chess move.
They mostly want to disagree with EU apparently. Maybe there is a way to have UK remain indefinitely, provided someone keep asking "are you leaving yet ?" every month...
GamerMax73
Member
Anything other than accepting the will of the people will reflect badly on them when they next face the ballot box.
It's not something that has been forgotten at all. Westminster has been snookered.
The fact that this referendum was basically a proxy leadership battle is horrific.
They - Johnson and Cameron - both played the nation, and the nation will continue to lose.
ferrasvansen
Member
Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 49% (+5)
No: 42% (-5)
(via Survation / 25 Jun)
Chgs. from April.
Big changes already and that's before Boris is PM.
Yes: 49% (+5)
No: 42% (-5)
(via Survation / 25 Jun)
Chgs. from April.
Big changes already and that's before Boris is PM.
SymbiantXenos
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Tomorrow's last gasp penalty win v Iceland will be for the ages.
That's actually quite a reasonable position to take to be honest.
I mean, I don't think a second referendum resolves the fundamental issue that having a referendum at all was incredibly stupid.
The entire point of representative democracy, which you arguably invented, was to ensure that there's still a filter between the mob and the world. That's what professional politicians are for, to take a set of generally unreasonable and contradictory desires and identify actually feasible plans and goals that will have mainstream support as opposed to 51% support.
It shouldn't be lost on anybody after the events of the last few days that if you removed the politicians who were pretending to support Leave but really just wanted more negotiating with the EU, the total number of MPs that really genuinely wanted to leave is probably around one.* Because leaving the EU is a stupid and terrible idea! But both saying "well the voters were uneducated" and saying "well even if it's wrong they voted for it" are not good responses to the issue. The issue is that it's unreasonable to expect the average British person to understand all the details of the question of EU membership enough to make a reasonable decision. The average British person, unlike the average MP, has a real job to do. They can't spend their whole day studying up.
Fundamentally the issue you're now grappling with is that setting this question to the general public at all was incredibly dumb. Literally the reason you have Parliament at all is to ensure shit like that doesn't happen.*
* And his name is Jeremy Corbyn.
** I mean, also to ensure that the Queen doesn't take unreasonable advantage of the royal forests, I guess, but controlling the mob is like job two at the very least.
The entire point of representative democracy, which you arguably invented, was to ensure that there's still a filter between the mob and the world. That's what professional politicians are for, to take a set of generally unreasonable and contradictory desires and identify actually feasible plans and goals that will have mainstream support as opposed to 51% support.
It shouldn't be lost on anybody after the events of the last few days that if you removed the politicians who were pretending to support Leave but really just wanted more negotiating with the EU, the total number of MPs that really genuinely wanted to leave is probably around one.* Because leaving the EU is a stupid and terrible idea! But both saying "well the voters were uneducated" and saying "well even if it's wrong they voted for it" are not good responses to the issue. The issue is that it's unreasonable to expect the average British person to understand all the details of the question of EU membership enough to make a reasonable decision. The average British person, unlike the average MP, has a real job to do. They can't spend their whole day studying up.
Fundamentally the issue you're now grappling with is that setting this question to the general public at all was incredibly dumb. Literally the reason you have Parliament at all is to ensure shit like that doesn't happen.*
* And his name is Jeremy Corbyn.
** I mean, also to ensure that the Queen doesn't take unreasonable advantage of the royal forests, I guess, but controlling the mob is like job two at the very least.
I saw one earlier that put yes at 52%. Still not enough for sturgeon to be sure of a win, and she won't call it if she can't win it.
Visualante2
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Why are we talking as if Boris has to be PM? Can't the conservatives just choose someone else who is willing to enact article 50?
Obviously winning is important but the situation has changed. There is a limited time frame between now and the UK's exit of the EU. So she probably wants to call it before that day to avoid having to apply for membership.
ultratruman
Banned
We can really play this 'no true Scotsman' game forever, can't we? Naivity like this is why our country is tobogganing towards Gomorrah.
Summer Haze
Banned
'It was just a prank, Brahs!"
paperboywriter
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If you consider leaving a real option. Otherwise get to fucking work and revert that ASAP.
Captain Smoker
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Jezbollah
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I'm actually surprised at how high the 42% number is.
Yautja_Warrior
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One things for sure, it has shown how incompetent the UK government really is, what a total shit show.
This highlights one reason I don't normally vote, because I don't trust any MP, they are all lying, rich idiots and have shown it here in a big way.
But whoever comes in to fix this mess has got a hell of a job on their hands now. Hopefully someone will step up to the challenge and have some balls to make changes and the right deals that will make it better for the UK people now.
This highlights one reason I don't normally vote, because I don't trust any MP, they are all lying, rich idiots and have shown it here in a big way.
But whoever comes in to fix this mess has got a hell of a job on their hands now. Hopefully someone will step up to the challenge and have some balls to make changes and the right deals that will make it better for the UK people now.
Meh needs to be higher. Sturgeon playing right game.
I'm not.
Palculator
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This fucking back-pedalling by BoJo is so deliciously stupid ヽ( ´ー｀
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What a tosser.
ﾉ What a tosser.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
We didn't anyway, despite paying a higher contribution (over 6b more) than most countries that do.
We was one of the bigger contributors but our vote means nothing.
And I didn't vote leave either, but I can understand why people would.
Well yeah, that's why we have a representative democracy that has now been shackled to a direct democratic decision from the public. The question now is whether anyone is willing to gnaw their own foot off in order to get out of it. Whoever cancels the Brexit will be politically radioactive for the rest of their life but the same is true if they push the button to take us out. It should never have come to this.
ferrasvansen
Member
Removing don't knows it's 54-46. It's a long game, the referendum won't be soon but it's coming and with no media support for the union and likely no opposition from Scottish Labour of libdems, it will be an easy yes vote.
Yup, I personally believe that in the meeting Boris and Cameron had, they both specifically agreed to campaign about what would happen when we were out of the EU, not what would happen if we stayed in. So both camps played along so Cameron only had doom and gloom in his arsenal and Boris only had the land of honey. Then they'd make up after a hard fought race, Cameron would leave at the end of this term as planned and Boris and Gove would sweep in. Because no matter what, the people of Britain would never vote to leave the EU and enter the great unknown, right?
But when the proposition is binary leave/remain - compromise is easier said than done.
Theonik
Member
Let's see what happens.
GamerMax73
Member
With the rise of UKIP over the last two elections I've had the same increasingly disenfranchised feeling for my home country. For me to this referendum was the final nail in the coffin. I no longer feel any patriotism or belonging to England as a nation.
Sumio Mondo
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"This was supposed to be an April Fool's joke to the EU, we thought it was funny in April when we were telling it to each other, but apparently it isn't anymore and the EU don't have a sense of humour, lololol" *Cameron turns around and cringes*
geordiemp
Member
Unless someone gets voted in with a revised mandate ?
I can see where this is going...
ferrasvansen
Member
It's a hell of a change already, will only grow over time now, especially with toff Boris as PM and a 2020 tory victory. It's over now just a matter of when not if.
Audioboxer
Member
The longer Westminster continue to completely fuck the Brexit plan the better this poll looks.
However everyone should be cautious as fuck believing any polls we see these days. Still without a doubt a yes vote could probably do it right now.
45% just to go independent because YOLO vs what we have now where we pretty much need to go independent to stay in the EU. Easy win.
I would not think Sturgeon would be overly impressed by that, right now when the hurt is still raw the yes vote should be way out in front.... No way she calls a referendum on those figures.... Lose another referendum and it is done for
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I wouldn't take polling as reliable. That percentage difference needs to be a lot higher consistently for it to work.
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