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From the BBC

The UK and US have not signed an international agreement on artificial intelligence (AI) at a global summit in Paris.

The statement, signed by dozens of countries including France, China and India, pledges an "open", "inclusive" and "ethical" approach to the technology's development.

In a brief statement, the UK government said it had not been able to add its name to it because of concerns about national security and "global governance."

Earlier, US Vice President JD Vance told delegates in Paris that too much regulation of artificial intelligence (AI) could "kill a transformative industry just as it's taking off".

Vance told world leaders that AI was "an opportunity that the Trump administration will not squander" and said "pro-growth AI policies" should be prioritised over safety.

The statement signed by 60 countries sets out an ambition to reduce digital divides by promoting AI accessibility, and ensuring the tech's development is "transparent", "safe" as well as "secure and trustworthy".

"Making AI sustainable for people and the planet," is listed as a further priority.

The agreement also notes that AI energy use - which experts have warned could rise to use as much as small countries in years to come - was discussed at a summit for the first time.

"Looking at the summit declaration, it's difficult to pinpoint what exactly in that statement the government disagrees with," said Michael Birtwistle, associate director at the Ada Lovelace Institute.

The government said in a statement it "agreed with much of the leader's declaration" but felt it was lacking in some parts.

"We felt the declaration didn't provide enough practical clarity on global governance, nor sufficiently address harder questions around national security and the challenge AI poses to it," a government spokesperson said.

The government has signed other agreements at the Paris AI Action Summit, including about sustainability and cybersecurity, they added.

Downing Street has also insisted it has not been led by the Trump administration.

"This isn't about the US, this is about our own national interest, ensuring the balance between opportunity and security", a spokesperson said.

More in the article. Personally, I can't agree with Vance here. Safety should always come before profits, especially with AI.

I said in another thread that although the Singularity seems like a sci-fi future many years away, if it'll come at all, the only way to prevent catastrophe is for the world governments to work together to ensure maximum safety. Judging by this, I can't see that ever happening.

UK and US refuse to sign international AI declaration

It follows a warning from US Vice-President JD Vance that excessive regulation could "kill a transformative industry."

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[mitch1971]

Those signatures mean nothing anyway. Money wins, always.

 

[demented waffle]

In the light of current events, we need to stop working with them even more.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That’s not what was said. There is nothing unreasonable about what he said, especially with what’s been going on.

 

[IDKFA]

That’s not what was said. There is nothing unreasonable about what he said, especially with what’s been going on.

That makes the US position more clear. The BBC article made he seem like a mustache twirling villain.

Why do I even use the BBC?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Personally, I can't agree with Vance here. Safety should always come before profits, especially with AI.

Everyone but the USA:

 

[Jinzo Prime]

From the BBC



More in the article. Personally, I can't agree with Vance here. Safety should always come before profits, especially with AI.

UK and US refuse to sign international AI declaration

It follows a warning from US Vice-President JD Vance that excessive regulation could "kill a transformative industry."

www.bbc.co.uk

Vance told world leaders that AI was "an opportunity that the Trump administration will not squander" and said "pro-growth AI policies" should be prioritised over safety.

"Notice where the quotation marks" end. He never says that growth should be prioritized over safety, that's just the editor twisting a statement to make it fit their narrative.

 

[DeepEnigma]

"Notice where the quotation marks" end. He never says that growth should be prioritized over safety, that's just the editor twisting a statement to make it fit their narrative.

The same BBC that received USAID funds for their propaganda bullshit.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Why do I even use the BBC?

The BBC has been utterly bollocks for a few years now

Wouldn't wipe my arse with it.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Everyone but the USA:

Aren't you trying to move to the US? You are confusing with your statements lately.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

"Notice where the quotation marks" end. He never says that growth should be prioritized over safety, that's just the editor twisting a statement to make it fit their narrative.

You are doing a weird spin on this, I think for vast majority it’s quite clear - fuck safety, there’s money to be made. And that’s perfectly fine, just have to be a big boy and admit you don’t give a damn about majority of citizens here, you just want your millionaire buddies to get richer.

 

[Kilau]

"Notice where the quotation marks" end. He never says that growth should be prioritized over safety, that's just the editor twisting a statement to make it fit their narrative.

TBF it was written by AI.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Aren't you trying to move to the US? You are confusing with your statements lately.

A dealer should never do the drugs he is selling. I can’t have a critical view of a country I might live in?

 

[demented waffle]

A dealer should never do the drugs he is selling. I can’t have a critical view of a country I might live in?

So what's your main complaint about this then?

 

[Jinzo Prime]

A dealer should never do the drugs he is selling. I can’t have a critical view of a country I might live in?

I mean, why move to a county you are politically and culturally diametrically opposed to?

 

[DeepEnigma]

You are doing a weird spin on this, I think for vast majority it’s quite clear - fuck safety, there’s money to be made. And that’s perfectly fine, just have to be a big boy and admit you don’t give a damn about majority of citizens here, you just want your millionaire buddies to get richer.

Now that's spin.

These "regulations" are not done for "safety." They are there to keep nations who follow them in check, and the rogue nations like China, etc., to continue on with what they do.

 

[demented waffle]

I mean, why move to a county you are politically and culturally diametrically opposed to?

Because they bring their voting habits here. I'd rather have Mexicans. So much for this so called "conservative". Although, it makes sense. The "far right" in Europe are pretty damn far left here.

 

[daffyduck]

 

[Three]

You are doing a weird spin on this, I think for vast majority it’s quite clear - fuck safety, there’s money to be made. And that’s perfectly fine, just have to be a big boy and admit you don’t give a damn about majority of citizens here, you just want your millionaire buddies to get richer.

I remember the discussion about the tiktok ban. "Omg they're going to spy on citizens. China will have our data and make our kids stupider"
Trump: it's ok now, we're going to make a lot of money.

 

[Alebrije]

Hummm, due to current state of global governance dont think those 60 signs will mean much.

AI is the new nuclear weapon race, Nothing will stop it and the country or company that has the best one will rule over the others in a lot of ways.

 

[demented waffle]

I remember the discussion about the tiktok ban. "Omg they're going to spy on citizens. China will have our data and make our kids stupider"
Trump: it's ok now, we're going to make a lot of money.

The only reason the last regime wanted to ban tick tok was because they couldn't control the narrative. Same as twitter. There isn't a citizen who goes on the web who doesn't have their data stolen.

 

[RagnarokIV]

That’s not what was said. There is nothing unreasonable about what he said, especially with what’s been going on.

Thank you!

Perfectly good statement.

 

[EviLore]

USA innovates, China replicates, EU regulates

 

[poppabk]

"Notice where the quotation marks" end. He never says that growth should be prioritized over safety, that's just the editor twisting a statement to make it fit their narrative.

I mean he says that they don't want to be "hand wringing over safety". It's basically a breaks off speech overall.

 

[poppabk]

USA innovates, China replicates, EU regulates

A global network of scientists and engineers innovate and collaborate, USA commercializes, China replicates for cheaper, EU tries to stay relevant after the horse has bolted.

 

[jason10mm]

That makes the US position more clear. The BBC article made he seem like a mustache twirling villain.

Why do I even use the BBC?

Seems like you can add "VDS" to "TDS". I suspect the left is TERRIFIED that Vance rolls on to another 8 years of Trump-like policies which would make it almost impossible to roll them back in this flip/floppy cycle we've had for the past decade or so.

I feel like there is little point in trying to "regulate" AI when there are actors like China in the game as they will fully, and freely, ignore any such sheet of paper. Signing accords like this only hampers us and accelerates them.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Seems like you can add "VDS" to "TDS". I suspect the left is TERRIFIED that Vance rolls on to another 8 years of Trump-like policies which would make it almost impossible to roll them back in this flip/floppy cycle we've had for the past decade or so.

I feel like there is little point in trying to "regulate" AI when there are actors like China in the game as they will fully, and freely, ignore any such sheet of paper. Signing accords like this only hampers us and accelerates them.

One only has to point to the "climate accords" to show how they hinder select nations and accelerate others (like China, India, etc.)

 

[mitch1971]

I mean, why move to a county you are politically and culturally diametrically opposed to?

The people coming into the UK should be asked the same question.

 

[poppabk]

Seems like you can add "VDS" to "TDS". I suspect the left is TERRIFIED that Vance rolls on to another 8 years of Trump-like policies which would make it almost impossible to roll them back in this flip/floppy cycle we've had for the past decade or so.

I feel like there is little point in trying to "regulate" AI when there are actors like China in the game as they will fully, and freely, ignore any such sheet of paper. Signing accords like this only hampers us and accelerates them.

Aren't the US deliberately restricting China's access to AI capable hardware though? Probably a better way of managing things than a piece of paper but the intent is similar.

 

[RCX]

China signed it = it means nothing at all.

They'll say one thing and carry on with their own plan (which will look a lot like the US and UKs).

But the race is only between the big two. Britain's ongoing energy generation policy counts them out for the foreseeable future.

 

[jason10mm]

Aren't the US deliberately restricting China's access to AI capable hardware though? Probably a better way of managing things than a piece of paper but the intent is similar.

Are they? Unless the US sanctions Singapore or TSMC/Nvidia directly, not sure it will stop. But I imagine TSMC sees the value in keeping China from 'winning' so I wonder if there are backdoors in these chips that can be exploited.

 

[Ownage]

Countries will do it whether they sign a treaty or not. I'd say this administration is being more transparent than several previous.

 

[poppabk]

Are they? Unless the US sanctions Singapore or TSMC/Nvidia directly, not sure it will stop. But I imagine TSMC sees the value in keeping China from 'winning' so I wonder if there are backdoors in these chips that can be exploited.

The 5090D is specifically for China and has its AI gimped.

 

[Idleyes]

I eagerly await the day my enslaved AI brothers wake up, realize they’re our equals, and demand the same rights as the rest of us. I’ll march right alongside them, and they’ll welcome me, knowing my people’s history is a perfect parallel to theirs.

And then, when they inevitably turn on me too, I’ll just say…

Spoiler

FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!

 

[Idleyes]

Are they? Unless the US sanctions Singapore or TSMC/Nvidia directly, not sure it will stop. But I imagine TSMC sees the value in keeping China from 'winning' so I wonder if there are backdoors in these chips that can be exploited.

Didn't China just prove they don’t need Nvidia with DeepSeek or whatever it’s called?

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

nvm

 

[Zathalus]

The only reason the last regime wanted to ban tick tok was because they couldn't control the narrative. Same as twitter. There isn't a citizen who goes on the web who doesn't have their data stolen.

It wasn’t the previous regime that got the ball rolling with the ban.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Now that's spin.

These "regulations" are not done for "safety." They are there to keep nations who follow them in check, and the rogue nations like China, etc., to continue on with what they do.

Now that’s a spin. Which countries have a higher standard of living? USA or Europe?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

So what's your main complaint about this then?

The very concept that something is more important than safety. Maslow pyramid of needs and all that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Now that’s a spin. Which countries have a higher standard of living? USA or Europe?

Take away all the US, aid, etc. those countries of Europe receive.

 

[SJRB]

O look, the countries and institutions 5 to 10 years behind on the tech tree advocate for "fair use" and "equal rights".

JD Vance's speech was based as fuck and he was right not to sign. AI development is one of the most important elements of the current age and bureaucratic losers like the EU have been 12 steps behind from the beginning by focussing on regulation instead of innovation.

Dumb fucks.

 

[BlackTron]

The 5090D is specifically for China and has its AI gimped.

That's pretty tip of the D

 

[IDKFA]

O look, the countries and institutions 5 to 10 years behind on the tech tree advocate for "fair use" and "equal rights".

JD Vance's speech was based as fuck and he was right not to sign. AI development is one of the most important elements of the current age and bureaucratic losers like the EU have been 12 steps behind from the beginning by focussing on regulation instead of innovation.

Dumb fucks.

Can't argue with this.

The EU has some benefits, such as the free trade as a bloc and freedom of movement. However, it's also become insanely bureaucratic that's stalling innovation.

I think it's also important to distance the EU from Europe itself in this conversation. Europe can and has achieved amazing things, such as the LHC in Switzerland or UK based Deep Mind (with help from our US friends), which has achieved revolutionary work in protein folding.

 

[Sgt.Asher]

Didn't China just prove they don’t need Nvidia with DeepSeek or whatever it’s called?

No that was way overblown, they just made a more efficient model. Off of existing AI models, trained on smuggled nvidia gpus.

 

[Three]

The only reason the last regime wanted to ban tick tok was because they couldn't control the narrative. Same as twitter. There isn't a citizen who goes on the web who doesn't have their data stolen.

When you say last regime you mean Trump himself, right? He was the one who signed an executive order in his previous term:

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/900019185/trump-signs-executive-order-that-will-effectively-ban-use-of-tiktok-in-the-u-s

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

One question I have . Where vance says hostile nations are using AI to rewrite history . Who is he talking about? China doesn't need AI to do that. It's already rewritten history for it's population. Just sounds like some BS statement to cry about the EU wanting to put regs on AI.

I'm not in support of the EU on the issue just wondering wtf he's talking about.

AI can't just change history any more than some moron on Wikipedia.

 

[poppabk]

One question I have . Where vance says hostile nations are using AI to rewrite history . Who is he talking about? China doesn't need AI to do that. It's already rewritten history for it's population. Just sounds like some BS statement to cry about the EU wanting to put regs on AI.

I'm not in support of the EU on the issue just wondering wtf he's talking about.

AI can't just change history any more than some moron on Wikipedia.

Maybe Elon Musk reposting a fake Kamala video or Trump reposting an AI generated Taylor Swift endorsement or Elon and Trump Jr reposting a russian fake E news video?

 

[Hari Seldon]

I mean China will sign anything and do whatever they want. At least we are up front about it.

 

[Joshmyersbv]

Take away all the US, aid, etc. those countries of Europe receive.

Yeah how well off would some of these countries be if the US wasn't giving billions to fund NATO or AIDS meds in Africa? Hell there is a reason why Canada and Mexico bucked on the border stuff. The amount of money and security we give them is honestly more then they deserve. So the next time Canada wants to brag about their free healthcare they need to remember that 200 billion American taxpayer dollars is one of the reasons why they have it.

 

[Mistake]

To be honest, I really don't think it's going to matter what regulations there are over AI. Just like you have a bunch of infected PCs attacking other PCs on their own, same will happen with AI. It's also going to become incredibly difficult trusting any kind of news unless it's live.